Gardenlover
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I don't think we've welcomed you to the forum yet Gaer (if so, I missed it) - I hope you enjoy your time here.
Do you think men are more effeminate?
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rgp
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If all men are expected to be / wanted to be kind and sensitive ?.....The next time we get into a boots on the ground / face to face to war .......we are going to lose.
It takes a hard man to win such wars.
I never said it did. I say it COULD have something to do with how all the little connections were made to make a person what it is at birth. Nothing more. No one knows how drinking a bottle of water loaded with BPA on a day when a particular connection is being made affects the fetus. Hormones are powerful things whether they are natural or man made.
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I just read this article from Psychology Today (2012) where the author talks about pregnant mothers ingesting BPA
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...01/bpa-and-the-single-spacey-sex-starved-male
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...01/bpa-and-the-single-spacey-sex-starved-male
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RadishRose
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She can crack all kinds of nuts.You are one lucky fella, Win, I'll bet she has no problem cracking walnuts when you are both watching movies.
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Gardenlover: Thank you so much for welcoming me. That was so kind! Don't know if I will continue. I'm not used to posting online and my first thread is a complete flop!
Win231: Maybe you shouldn't do your eye makeup before bed. It messes up the pillowslips and you don't look so pretty in the morning. But, Don't forget to paint your toenails!
Win231: Maybe you shouldn't do your eye makeup before bed. It messes up the pillowslips and you don't look so pretty in the morning. But, Don't forget to paint your toenails!
She didn’t say men need be kind and sensitive 24/7!
I think men have been conditioned their entire lives to be the tougher gender. Showing signs of tenderness appears to have been deemed as a weakness of characteristic somehow or a trait of homosexuality, sending mixed messages to young men.
I tend to agree with Rosemarie when she states that many men seem to think that toughness is a masculine trait but most men were raised to be tough.
Most manly sports are tough. Commercials glamorize tough manly men and women are supposed to adore these types. There’s a huge disconnect there.
As a women I think we like to believe that our man can protect us in case it’s ever needed . That doesn’t mean we want a violent brute as a lifetime companion. We require tenderness as much as you do.
Oh don’t go.
Most of my threads are a complete flop too but I’m still here. STAY. You won’t find a nicer group of old folks as US.
Well, so what? Henry Winkler also hawked reverse mortgages. Dr. Oz hawked green coffee. They'll hawk anything if they're paid enough - and they are.
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She clearly cracked yours.
Catlady
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Maybe it's just me, but when I see a well known celebrity being paid for commercials, it always smacks of desperation, like they're short of money and can't get enough doing their line of work. William Shatner is another one making commercials. Selleck has the TV cop show, isn't his income enough? Reverse mortgages are good for the insurance companies most of the time, except for when the insured lives too long past their anticipated demise (very few of them do).
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Few minutes online shows our society is not very kind and gentle. It's more like a ticking time bomb.
No it is not a flop, and you certainly are not. Read your profile and you list Goethe as a favorite read. That is fascinating. You appear to be a very interesting, varied person. I hope you stay. I sincerely hope you do.
Matrix
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Welcome to SF, Gaer.
I don't know why, but this is a controversial topic and rarely goes well...like politics and religions. As soon as this thread was created, some members suggested closing it. But on the other hand, we just had a discussion about closing threads, we don't want to close too many threads. Besides, closing a new member's thread may send you the wrong message.
We are between a rock and a hard place all the time.
AnnieA
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Welcome to SF, Gaer.
I don't know why, but this is a controversial topic and rarely goes well...like politics and religions. ...
I think it's because people generalize that "x" appearance or lifestyle follows "x" ideological paths or prejudices. Hasn't been what I've observed in real life. Friends with alternative lifestyles prove this so wrong. People aren't cookie cuttered. My best guy friend (platonic) of 20+ years is very slightly bi/mostly gay and will quickly agree that millennial men are too soft. And though he isn't effeminate, isn't at all attracted to effeminate, he has good friends that are.
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Butterfly
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Gaer, I, too, hope you stay. Don't let our resident curmudgeons (sometimes I'm even one of them) scare you away!
It couldn't be desperation for money - the celebrities who do the ads are among the most wealthy. The residuals & royalties from re-runs, alone would shock most people if they knew.
Just one example I know of, because it was publicized because of the judgments against him: O.J. Simpson's football pension (which is 100% immune from any judgments) is $24,000.00 per month - tax free. And he continued to get it while in prison & still gets it now. Probably the same or more for other celebrities.
They're just so highly paid for a little work, so why not?
Plus, who says times have changed that much.
People were more repressed because they had to be or might get burned to a stake in the older days.
True sexual expression was prohibited and there were dire consequences for not following suite.
We ‘think’ there was less homosexuality but we don’t know. People were more discrete and there was no Facebook. Boys seemed forced into masculine roles years ago. Plus there were wars going on so the world needed tough men.
I don’t think men are becoming more feminine and women more masculine. Before the advancement modern technology , men and women had more specific roles. Men went out into the workforce and made a living to provide for the family. Women stayed home to nurture and raise the children. She’d learn all the domesticated things that needed doing. At the time, this is all we knew.
Now that women have come into the work force, it’s thrown off the family dynamics somewhat. Men generally ruled the household years back but now most women do. Now most women know how to do more than domesticated duties so it has thrown the balance off some.
Boys are learning that it’s ok to play with dolls or like dancing. It’s ok to like all colours. They are learning that it’s ok to cry and show emotion. Males have strong emotions that they may have felt like they had to bottle up or suppress before. Now they are encouraged to feel every human emotion fully.
I’ve had several gay friends both male and female and most people seem to like to stereotype them and then fear them. I think most people don’t understand how the diversity in sexuality can exist within a civil society. They can’t wrap their head around it. Then again, humanity has always had hang ups about the topic of sexuality and it’s certainly a factor in this thread topic.
People were more repressed because they had to be or might get burned to a stake in the older days.
True sexual expression was prohibited and there were dire consequences for not following suite.
We ‘think’ there was less homosexuality but we don’t know. People were more discrete and there was no Facebook. Boys seemed forced into masculine roles years ago. Plus there were wars going on so the world needed tough men.
I don’t think men are becoming more feminine and women more masculine. Before the advancement modern technology , men and women had more specific roles. Men went out into the workforce and made a living to provide for the family. Women stayed home to nurture and raise the children. She’d learn all the domesticated things that needed doing. At the time, this is all we knew.
Now that women have come into the work force, it’s thrown off the family dynamics somewhat. Men generally ruled the household years back but now most women do. Now most women know how to do more than domesticated duties so it has thrown the balance off some.
Boys are learning that it’s ok to play with dolls or like dancing. It’s ok to like all colours. They are learning that it’s ok to cry and show emotion. Males have strong emotions that they may have felt like they had to bottle up or suppress before. Now they are encouraged to feel every human emotion fully.
I’ve had several gay friends both male and female and most people seem to like to stereotype them and then fear them. I think most people don’t understand how the diversity in sexuality can exist within a civil society. They can’t wrap their head around it. Then again, humanity has always had hang ups about the topic of sexuality and it’s certainly a factor in this thread topic.
That's my kind of man, too. Men who are kind and sensitive can be just as tough as the brutes when the occasion demands it.
It's usually easy to tell. There are big differences between the male and female bodies which can't be disguised. The hands, length of arms, the walk. The bodies have different proportions.
rgp
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"She didn’t say men need be kind and sensitive 24/7! "
I do not believe it is easily turned on or off ! A man,[heck anybody] is what he is [they are] mostly by nature . Yeah sure a person can have temper "flares" but IMO, that is temporary. Again opinion but....I also believe that is why combat soldiers sometimes have a hard time [dialing it back] . They live as an aggressor for 1-2 however many years......and being praised for doing so......then suddenly they are expected to behave in an entirely different manner.
As I said, it takes a hard man [men] to win a boots on the ground/face to face war..........jmo.
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