Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

If people are punished for seeking help; fear they will end up on databases, they will not seek help and that would make these matters worse.

This shooter was not under psychiatric care.
 

This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment, which the gun lovers are so fond of invoking. An obviously disturbed teenager was able to walk into a gun store a few days after his 18th birthday, and buy an assault weapon. Apparently no questions asked.

What in heaven's name does that have to do with a well-regulated militia, which may have been a good idea in the 18th century?

How many more innocent lives must be taken before the NRA is finally reined in? As the President said yesterday, what is wrong with this country? When are we finally going to get some backbone?
 
Pepper said:
If people are punished for seeking help; fear they will end up on databases, they will not seek help and that would make these matters worse.

This shooter was not under psychiatric care.
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I don’t agree. People who use opiates still buy them. Many cancer patients need this medicine to ease their pain. The databases are not open to the public and anyone wishing to view the database as a whole needs a special clearance. If a pharmacist needs to know if John Smith of 123 Main St. Anywhere, U.S. is on a database, as soon as the pharmacist puts in his name and address to fill the Rx, the name would be rejected, if they have exceeded their allotment for the month.

BTW, there is already a database of people receiving psychiatric care, but it’s not complete because not every state complies as stated. When I buy a gun, the person I am buying from will run my personal information through the national database. If it comes back as being questionable or shows a hit, I will be denied the purchase.
 

In grade school in the 1950's we had drills to hide under our desks to somehow protect us from fallout after a nuclear bomb explosion, which of course never happened. Now my grandchildren have drills to hide under their desks in the event of a school shooter, which is so common. They live in a much scarier world than the naive times that we did.
 
spectratg said:
My daughters on our family text thread told me how difficult it was to let the kids go to school this morning. One said that her imagination took her to a dark what-if place. And then she thought about all the parents that did the same yesterday that will never see their babies again.
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Yesterday the local school district sent out a message to parents and students about dealing with the current situation.
They only have today and tomorrow to get thru for this school year.
 
hollydolly said:
..further to @Della 's post, not everyone who is diagnosed with a mental illness, comes from sane parents either... so lots of mental health issues will go undetected.. because the parents or grandparents have their own issues..

Whether this boy was mentally ill is open to conjecture.
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Absolutely hollydolly, I can say from experience, things go on behind closed doors and often we never know of the experiences of people walking the streets. You have to be really, really far gone to perpetrate this.
 
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You wonder what kind of spin they’ll be using to discuss this latest massacre of little children.

Out of curiosity, what does it cost to belong to the NRA.
 
Jules said:
You wonder what kind of spin they’ll be using to discuss this latest massacre of little children.

Out of curiosity, what does it cost to belong to the NRA.
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I already saw a video come up on my YouTube feed about the president's "divisive" speech last evening. Using this tragedy to divide the nation or something like that. I didn't click on it.
 
Pepper said:
Then they should kill themselves and not take other people, especially young kids, along for the ride.
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Considering the number of suicides, maybe there are some who do this. Understandably, the family would never discuss this.

Adding: maybe if it were discussed, those who are marginal would consider it too.
 
Blessed said:
We are all shocked, horrified and confused when this happens. There are many mentally ill people out there that ask for help and never get taken seriously. They are ignored or neglected by their families, teachers, doctors and society in general. Then they do the something that makes someone, anyone listen. Why are we not paying attention to those that are suffering. Most people have no desire to hurt anyone. They just want someone to listen, help them, get them the care they need to function in society. I am horrified by this young mans actions but he had been struggling for a long time to do something so horrific.

We need to stop looking the other way, we need to make authorities/doctors, teachers at school to step up to identify children that are the victims of bullies. Those that also suffer at home from hunger, abuse and neglect. We need to be aware of the things in society that makes daily normal life impossible. It comes down to if you see something, say something. Be advocate to all.
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Not trying to make this about me but I have some experiences though things are much different today than when I graduated high school in the 70's. I was actually bullied, more than once, by a gym teacher about my weight. In front of other students. I couple of years out of high school I actually saw this beast at a fruit stand and almost lost my mind. Though I was yet to process things for years.

I was being bullied in a class in highschool and the teacher noted this and wanted to take me to the front office to state what was going on. I flat refused. When I was in 3rd grade and was being teased because I had a face injury (including total red eye) from eating the pavement on my bike, I told my mother. She came to the school and made such a scene, including grabbing a kid, the regular teasing turned to full on bullying. I started to internalize everything. I knew better than to tell that woman anything. I wasn't going to make that mistake again.

Kids suffering in the household often don't know what to do or say. They don't even know how to process it. It's all they know. Here is a link to a reilience test. There are others out there. I've read this over and over. I can claim #10 and that's it.
RESILIENCE-Questionnaire.pdf (ashtabulamhrs.org)

There are people who have had it much, much worse than me.
 
I think the legal age for purchasing a firearm should be raised to 21....much like the age for legally purchasing alcohol. Kids 18 years old are still "transitioning" into adulthood, and their minds are still a bit "iffy". In addition, any parent who owns firearms, with children in the household, should be held legally responsible for any illegal actions their kids might take with firearms.
 
Pepper said:
Vengeance. This dumb POS was bullied for stuttering. Final revenge, even if those he killed never made fun of him.
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I hadn't heard this. People have this condition. Biden did. Our payroll guy at work does. I have to wonder what was going on in that house he grew up in. Something else was possibly really wrong. And something wrong in the house of that Boston killer.
 
Now that I've gotten my rant off my chest (for now anyway), I wasn't aware of this shooting until I saw it on one of my news apps early this morning. It took me all I could do to fight back the tears. I'm still getting teary eyed just going through this thread. I can't imagine the heartbreak the parents and families of the victims are going through. I can't imagine they'd even want to send their children back to school for even a couple of days. And the children must be terrified and severely traumatized. Our children should not have to be afraid to go to school, afraid their school might be next! Have you noticed most of these shootings are in towns that people feel so safe in...like "nothing like this could possibly happen here"? I can't remember any mass shootings in inner city schools. I pray we won't hear of anymore but with the violence being perpetrated across all types of media, with guns being so readily available and copy cat, wanna be notorious, hateful people out there, I highly doubt this will be the last time. :cry: And I agree with those who replied that it would be better if these shooters who are so dissatisfied with things would just off themselves...leave everybody else alone!

@PamfromTx I got goosebumps when I read your family members are safe...so relieved.
 
Remy said:
I hadn't heard this. People have this condition. Biden did. Our payroll guy at work does. I have to wonder what was going on in that house he grew up in. Something else was possibly really wrong. And something wrong in the house of that Boston killer.
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His mother (Texas) is an addict, and was about to be evicted from her mother's home. Neighbors say son & mother had loud fights & police involvement.

I read this stuff in NYPost this morning.
 
Pepper said:
His mother (Texas) is an addict, and was about to be evicted from her mother's home. Neighbors say son & mother had loud fights & police involvement.

I read this stuff in NYPost this morning.
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Oh wow, had not heard that. And I had the news on earlier.

I wonder sometimes how people turn out in all different ways. I have a co-worker who told me she and her siblings were taken away by child protective services when she was a child. Her mother was an addict and she believes a neighbor probably made the report. She's a mom, a nice person but she's kind of sad sometimes, I can tell.
 
A reality check for those people who think that school shootings are caused by mental illness

This table lists the number of school shootings so far this year i.e. in less than 5 months
If mental illness is the cause then America is not the Land of the Free; it is surely the land of utter madness,

 
"Stronger background checks"... If a person is treated for medical illness, that will not show up on a background check. HIPPA. In this case, the murderer just turned 18. Previous interaction with law enforcement would be protected since he was a juvenile at those times.

Possible solution... Pass legislation requiring a potential firearm owner to wave his/her HIPPA confidentiality so any previous mental issues could be red-flagged.

"Outlaw assault weapons"... Excellent idea. Remove as many as we can from the streets. In that same legislation, make it illegal to possess a firearm with a magazine/clip capacity exceeding 10 rounds. No need for a 30 round capacity... other than a mass shooting!

"Red flag laws"... If a person is convicted of domestic abuse, assault, destruction of property, etc. he/she must give up their firearms for a set period of time while they are evaluated. During that period if they are found in possession of a firearm, it is an automatic felony with mandatory prison time. No pleading to a lesser offense.

Mandatory prison time for a crime committed with a firearm... We allow people who shoot other people to plead down to lesser offenses. If you don't kill them... plead down to a misdemeanor. If you do kill them... plead down to manslaughter. No jail time. Just probation.

Armed security and/or armed teachers in our schools... The murderer in Texas was engaged by an armed security person and two armed police officers. All three shot at him in an attempt to stop him from entering the school. The killer had on a body armor and the weapons used did not stop him. How would a teacher or armed security person stop a killer with two assault rifles and body armor??

I do agree schools need one single point of entry. All points of entry need to be locked and secured against outside entry. The single point of entry should be electronically controlled from a bullet proof observation post just inside the entry.

None of the above issues will be solved as long as we have millions of dollars flowing into politicians' pockets from the gun lobby. None of the above issues will be solved until we, as a Country, decide to use our power of the polls to make changes in our elected leadership.

I laid awake a lot of last night. I'm 75 years old. There's not a lot of time I have left on God's Green Earth. What have I left for my grandchildren and great grandchildren? A real potential they will be shot dead in a classroom or supermarket or church or... ???
 
HATE-MONGERING (DEFINITION AND SAMPLE SENTENCE)

ADJECTIVE: (especially of speech or writing) arousing or intended to arouse feelings of hatred.​

‘inflammatory, hate-mongering rhetoric’​

​

NOUN: The arousal of feelings of hatred using speech or writing.​

‘hate-mongering and incitement to violence’​


https://www.lexico.com/definition/hate-mongering
  • One of the sample sentences: ‘I think guns do kill people, though I suspect hate-mongering white supremacist groups (AND OTHERS*) that trade in fear and ignorance have something to do with it as well.’ *my addition
STOP THE HATE, STOP THE BULLYING, AND STOP THE PROLIFERATION OF GUNS!

What triggered this horrific act? An 18 year old child bought a weapon and shot his grandmother in the face before heading to the school to massacre 19 innocent children and others. We have become a culture that fosters hate more than acceptance and ignores the impact of bullying. We weaponize people and we push them over the edge.
 

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