Nathan
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...not too cowardly about receiving contributions from the NRA:
List of congressional candidates who received campaign money from the National Rifle Association
Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas
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List of congressional candidates who received campaign money from the National Rifle Association
What about a list of VOTERS who put them in office and keep them there? They didn't get there without OUR help. It is OUR responsibility, and WE are failures.
fuzzybuddy
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In the US, we let any yahoo get a gun, then we are shocked when any yahoo with a gun massacres a school or a grocery store. Since Buffalo, 500 people have put a bullet through their brains. In this thread, people have blamed the shooting on everything from working parents to the shape of the killer's face. But there is one undeniable fact, you can't shoot up a school without a gun
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Those in power stay there because BIG MONEY makes the laws and controls the insidious propaganda.
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Sorry, this got posted in error. I'm so Frikken angry.
Good suggestions, but unlikely due to cost. And Political Correctness.
And WE keep them there by OUR indifference to anything outside of OURSELVES. There is no outrage; there is only generalized malaise. If it takes effort, WE flee the scene.
Packerjohn
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I don't about you but I look at this guy for 1 second and I can tell he is far from normal. Anyone who sells any kind of weapon to someone that looks like this, should have the store shut down the the owner/manager or employee locked up. I can hear the "bleeding heart" liberals shouting "What About His Rights.?" Ya, what about them? Who gave him the right to kill innocent people?
You have no understanding of American politics if you connect liberals with this or any similar situation. My last word on politics, except to reiterate you are very wrong in your assessment.
SeniorBen
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Yep, the only solution is to get big money out of politics, but that's not going to happen as long as we have a SCOTUS who decided with completely twisted logic that money is speech and therefore can't be regulated.
An example of MMQB - Monday Morning Quarterbacking. After knowing what a psycho did, you're saying you could have predicted it.
No one can determine someone's mental condition solely on their appearance.
Could you have determined the mental health of these individuals?
Ted Budy - killed at least 36 women. He was a college graduate, he volunteered at a suicide prevention center, & people who knew him considered him charming.
H. H. Holmes - a pharmacist who had a torture dungeon in his basement. He murdered between 35 - 130 people.
John Gacy - hospital volunteer, entertained children, reserve police officer. Raped & murdered at least 33 young men.
Dean Corll - Tortured, raped & murdered dozens of boys
Randy Kraft - killed at least 16 young men
SeniorBen
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The irony is that he was probably bullied because of his looks, which resulted in his hatred of the world and caused him to go on a murder spree. To some extent, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. People who are treated like that aren't going to be well adjusted and productive members of society. Most of the time when they act on their anger and depression, it's directed inward and they kill themselves. Suicide is part of the plan with almost all of these shooters and they want to take as many others with them when they kill themselves.
Maybe if there weren't so many SOBs out there bullying people, these things wouldn't happen so often, but that seems to be just part of human nature. Survival of the fittest. And there's no changing human nature, which is why the only viable solution is banning the most deadly weapons and the weapon of choice for these mass murderers: the AR-15 style rifle. Sure, there will still be mass murders, but not on the scale or frequency that we're seeing.
So if a person was having ANY issues in life............ they would NOT seek out treatment ............................in case of any background check in future for a gun purchase or perhaps that would be expanded for other items...
Does that sound like a good idea to anyone.... ?
this is part of the reason some do not seek help instead self medicate with drugs or alcohol perhaps.
I agree too many people play Monday Morning Quarterback on all of these incidents ...........often based on ever changing details and speculation ....
hollydolly
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Uvalde school shooter Salvador Ramos's grandfather has revealed the family had no idea that he legally purchased two AR-15s last week, and described him as a quiet teenager who spent most of his time alone in his room.
Ramos, 18, was shot dead by police yesterday after he killed 19 fourth graders and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. The gunman's motive remains unclear. He first shot his grandmother in the head at home, then stole her car and drove it to the school, crashing in a ditch before he walked into the classroom and opened fire.
Ramos turned 18 on May 16 and quickly bought two AR-15s and more than three hundred rounds of gun ammunition. They were purchased at the Oasis Outback store in Uvalde, a 10-minute drive from his grandmother's house.
His grandmother, believed to be 66-year-old Celia Martinez, took him for dinner to Applebee's to celebrate his birthday. On Wednesday morning, her husband Rolando Reyes, 74, told ABC News that neither of them were aware their grandson then bought the guns.
'I didn't know he had weapons. If I'd have known, I would have reported it,' Rolando, who has a past felony conviction and cannot be in a home with firearms, said.
Ramos went to live with his grandparents after arguing with his mother about her cutting out the Wi-Fi in their home.
Ramos's grandmother survived despite being shot in the head. She is in the hospital.
The shooter's grandfather also revealed that he was quiet, but would sometimes go to work with him.
'Sometimes I'd take him to work with me. Not all the time, but sometimes. This past year he didn't go to school. He didn't graduate. You would try to tell him but kids nowadays they think they know everything.
'He was very quiet, he didn't talk very much.'
The teen did not live with his mother because they had 'problems', the grandfather added.
On Tuesday, he was out of the house when the teen opened fire. A neighbor called him to tell him his wife had been shot but by the time he got back to the house, Ramos had escaped in his grandmother's car.
'The neighbor called me and said she'd been shot. When I came over here he said he'd taken off. It still hasn't sunk in,' he said.
The Call of Duty obsessed gunman bought two weapons including a Daniel Defense AR-15 worth $1,870. He posted a receipt for that purchase on the website Yubo, which was obtained by The Daily Dot on Tuesday after the shooting.
It is unclear if Ramos, who turned 18 last week, bought both weapons on the Daniel Defense website.
The site is run out of Georgia and operates by allowing customers to place orders online and then collect them from a local dealer.
There are no Daniel Defense dealers listed in Uvalde, but several are 100miles away in San Antonio. The ATF confirmed yesterday that Ramos purchased at least one weapon in a local firearms licensee.
His first purchase was on May 17 for one AR-15 rifle. The next day, he bought 375 rounds of 5.56 ammunition, according to ATF sources cited
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ught-two-AR-15-rifles-week-18th-birthday.html
Ramos, 18, was shot dead by police yesterday after he killed 19 fourth graders and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. The gunman's motive remains unclear. He first shot his grandmother in the head at home, then stole her car and drove it to the school, crashing in a ditch before he walked into the classroom and opened fire.
Ramos turned 18 on May 16 and quickly bought two AR-15s and more than three hundred rounds of gun ammunition. They were purchased at the Oasis Outback store in Uvalde, a 10-minute drive from his grandmother's house.
His grandmother, believed to be 66-year-old Celia Martinez, took him for dinner to Applebee's to celebrate his birthday. On Wednesday morning, her husband Rolando Reyes, 74, told ABC News that neither of them were aware their grandson then bought the guns.
'I didn't know he had weapons. If I'd have known, I would have reported it,' Rolando, who has a past felony conviction and cannot be in a home with firearms, said.
Ramos went to live with his grandparents after arguing with his mother about her cutting out the Wi-Fi in their home.
Ramos's grandmother survived despite being shot in the head. She is in the hospital.
The shooter's grandfather also revealed that he was quiet, but would sometimes go to work with him.
'Sometimes I'd take him to work with me. Not all the time, but sometimes. This past year he didn't go to school. He didn't graduate. You would try to tell him but kids nowadays they think they know everything.
'He was very quiet, he didn't talk very much.'
The teen did not live with his mother because they had 'problems', the grandfather added.
On Tuesday, he was out of the house when the teen opened fire. A neighbor called him to tell him his wife had been shot but by the time he got back to the house, Ramos had escaped in his grandmother's car.
'The neighbor called me and said she'd been shot. When I came over here he said he'd taken off. It still hasn't sunk in,' he said.
The Call of Duty obsessed gunman bought two weapons including a Daniel Defense AR-15 worth $1,870. He posted a receipt for that purchase on the website Yubo, which was obtained by The Daily Dot on Tuesday after the shooting.
It is unclear if Ramos, who turned 18 last week, bought both weapons on the Daniel Defense website.
The site is run out of Georgia and operates by allowing customers to place orders online and then collect them from a local dealer.
There are no Daniel Defense dealers listed in Uvalde, but several are 100miles away in San Antonio. The ATF confirmed yesterday that Ramos purchased at least one weapon in a local firearms licensee.
His first purchase was on May 17 for one AR-15 rifle. The next day, he bought 375 rounds of 5.56 ammunition, according to ATF sources cited
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ught-two-AR-15-rifles-week-18th-birthday.html
Where does an 18 year old get that kind of money to buy two guns, the magazines and ammo. Along with body armor although that's up for debate right now(ballistic plate only?) I think at one of them had a scope on it as well. That's money-where from-a job, a credit card, piggy bank?
Nosy Bee-54
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I think relatives of the victims should loudly tell the politicians to shove the shallow mantra: "thoughts and prayers." Reject their cowardly support. Faith without action is meaningless.
The main inspiration for Monday Morning Quarterback is to appear more intelligent than everyone else by having "all the answers."
This idea that if psychiatrists report all their cases to the gun sellers we wont have gun deaths is just an NRA started distraction. The majority of patients in psychiatric hospitals are girls with anorexia.
One of the biggest fears people with schizophrenia have is being "controlled by the government," it's one reason it's so hard to get them to see a doctor and get medication. Some people would like to make that irrational, paranoid fear of government control come true by making their doctors report their illness to a data base, and if you think that some yahoo selling guns at the flea market is going to keep his mouth shut about your diagnosis, think again. So this form of control would keep schizophrenic people from getting help and medication. Little known fact-- people with schizophrenia who take medication are less likely to commit violent acts than "normal" people.
We have to keep guns away from everyone. Taking away a person's right to doctor patient confidentiality is a terrible idea. It's as pointless as trying to guess who will shoot people by looking at pictures of them.
One of the biggest fears people with schizophrenia have is being "controlled by the government," it's one reason it's so hard to get them to see a doctor and get medication. Some people would like to make that irrational, paranoid fear of government control come true by making their doctors report their illness to a data base, and if you think that some yahoo selling guns at the flea market is going to keep his mouth shut about your diagnosis, think again. So this form of control would keep schizophrenic people from getting help and medication. Little known fact-- people with schizophrenia who take medication are less likely to commit violent acts than "normal" people.
We have to keep guns away from everyone. Taking away a person's right to doctor patient confidentiality is a terrible idea. It's as pointless as trying to guess who will shoot people by looking at pictures of them.
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Paco Dennis
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Do what New Zeland did after their tragic school shooting. Have the government BUY all the guns. Hey, they could kill 2 birds with one stone. Buy all the guns and send them to Ukraine! That should surely save lives.