Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

win231 said:
^^^ same problem as stated previously. Digression: the action of moving away from the main subject you are writing or talking about and writing or talking about something else: :giggle:
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I've said what I believe needed to be said -- semi-automatic weapons, and assault style rifles in civilian hands should be legally banned. You disagree. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 

rgp said:
I do not base my opinion/argument of reality on the scenes in the movies.

When was the last time you were in a school or a hotel ? Those are some pretty stout doors ... inside / off the hallway. And again I did ask .... did they have battering tools ? I do not know, as i was not there, were you ?

Perhaps the budget of a small town P/D didn't allow for it ?

"All had guns, ever watched a wild west movie? Rapid fire can bring a door down. "

In the movies .... they also get 20-100 shots from a six-shooter.
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Well they seem to have eventually taken the door down. Doubting it weakened during the time those cops were busy twiddling their thumbs and threatening parents.

The police on scene were nothing short of despicable cowards - the whole lot of them should be fired if not prosecuted.

This situation is sickening from start to finish.
 
rgp said:
OK, consider this ......... Do you really think [for even a second] that she went to work that day, with even a miniscule inkling that some whack-job kid was going to storm the school to take lives ? She goes out a door to retrieve [something] perhaps does not have a key, to that door that locks automatically, and blocks it open for just a few seconds ....... She is not the devil ..... she is as normal as anyone here.

Most people do not live in a negative world, with constant evil on their minds. Most live in a positive world , and [even though it has happend before] they just cannot conceive of such a thing.
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What did you think I meant when I said I pitied her? I think she did a very ordinary, 'I'll be right back" sort of thing anyone might do and now the poor woman has to think about it and wish she could do that moment over for the rest of her life.

How you could have read my post and turn that into me calling her "the devil" I just don't know.
 

Jules said:
I didn’t watch the videos. What did those homeowners have that the bad guys wanted so much? Was it the guns?
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Does it really matter what home invasion thugs are after?
Not every criminal is only a thief. They may be after murder, rape, or just the sheer pleasure they get out of hurting someone.
Or, if they are only after cash & valuables, they might kill to eliminate witnesses.
What's the difference? Once they're in your house, you are at their mercy. Some don't accept that.
 
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

UVALDE, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed at least 21 individuals and injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Idaho resident Kathy Miller, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
https://foxnews.com/no-way-to-prevent-mass-shootings
 
I can't believe that the police failed to act quickly. I'm sure there will be some serious investigation about how they handled this mess, and if there was someone in charge, at the scene, who ordered the police to "delay", I hope that individual is fired, and perhaps even prosecuted for dereliction of duty.
The police have been denigrated over the past couple of years, and this incident will only reduce the publics trust.
 
This same type of response happened at Columbine also
if I remember correctly....either lack of training or lack
of confidence IMO.....:confused:
 
Don M. said:
I can't believe that the police failed to act quickly. I'm sure there will be some serious investigation about how they handled this mess, and if there was someone in charge, at the scene, who ordered the police to "delay", I hope that individual is fired, and perhaps even prosecuted for dereliction of duty.
The police have been denigrated over the past couple of years, and this incident will only reduce the publics trust.
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No firing, no prosecuting. Police have NO duty to protect anyone. That's the law.
 
hollydolly said:
The young girl who smeared herself with the blood of one of her slain classmates to avoid being shot said the crazed gunman played 'I want people to die music' as he executed 19 of her classmates, as well as two teachers.

Miah Cerrillo, 11, told CNN that her class was watching the Disney movie Lilo and Stitch because it was the end of the school year when her teacher got an email that there was an active shooter.

But the teacher got the notification too late and as she went to lock the door Ramos was already there and shot through the door window.

According to Cerrillo, Ramos then walked into the fourth grade classroom and looked one of the teachers, either Eva Mireles or Irma Garcia, in the eye and told her 'goodnight' before shooting her.

Cerrillo said after that Ramos began opening fire on the students, striking her with bullet fragments on her back and neck, before he walked towards the connected classroom and continued shooting.

After that Cerrillo said that Ramos started playing 'sad' music that the 11-year-old could only describe as the kind of music you play when 'you want people to die.'

Cerrillo said that she and her friend grabbed her teachers phone to call 911 and out of fear Ramos would return to her classroom and shoot her she smeared the blood of one of her dead classmates onto her and played dead.

The 11-year-old's family said they will be working to help Cerrillo emotionally and mentally, as well as her sister - who is a second-grader at the school - following the shooting.

'At this point, we just have to pray and ask God to help us move forward through this situation. I know it’s traumatizing and having an 11-year-old go through this, I can’t imagine what she’s feeling,' her aunt Blanca Rivera told Click 2 Houston.


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...als-shooter-played-want-people-die-music.html
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That little girl's quick thinking and bravery is just amazing.
Della said:
What did you think I meant when I said I pitied her? I think she did a very ordinary, 'I'll be right back" sort of thing anyone might do and now the poor woman has to think about it and wish she could do that moment over for the rest of her life.

How you could have read my post and turn that into me calling her "the devil" I just don't know.
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Agree completely. If it sounded like I was dissing you ? That was not my intent at all ..... perhaps i sholud have worded it differently ? I was only posting an opinion/statement ..... that sounded accusatory ....... my apologies .
 
Don M. said:
I can't believe that the police failed to act quickly. I'm sure there will be some serious investigation about how they handled this mess, and if there was someone in charge, at the scene, who ordered the police to "delay", I hope that individual is fired, and perhaps even prosecuted for dereliction of duty.
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I could not find a DoD statute for TX like Ohio has. Even under ours, the doctrine of creating a Private Cause of Action from a violation of Criminal Statute could possibly be implied??

The federal constitution may prohibit such suits, but I am unsure about any states with a direct statute or constitutional case law that permits it?
 
Aside from the obvious insanity of selling such a weapon to a disturbed person, I would really like to know what possible reason there could be for any civilian to own one. When would a person be in a situation where they need to fire continuous rounds of ammunition, clearly designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible? Has there ever, in real life, been a situation where such a weapon would be needed?
 
Sunny said:
Aside from the obvious insanity of selling such a weapon to a disturbed person, I would really like to know what possible reason there could be for any civilian to own one. When would a person be in a situation where they need to fire continuous rounds of ammunition, clearly designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible? Has there ever, in real life, been a situation where such a weapon would be needed?
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I'm betting the folks in Ukraine are wishing they each had one ?
 
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What I can't rap my head around is if you're mad at the world or just needing to kill someone with your gun, why pick on a bunch of 10 and 11 year olds? Is it just being a bigger dick than the last guy?
 
Sunny said:
Aside from the obvious insanity of selling such a weapon to a disturbed person, I would really like to know what possible reason there could be for any civilian to own one. When would a person be in a situation where they need to fire continuous rounds of ammunition, clearly designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible? Has there ever, in real life, been a situation where such a weapon would be needed?
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I've posted several. But for "some strange reason" you don't want to see them.
None so blind........
 
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StarSong said:
Well they seem to have eventually taken the door down. Doubting it weakened during the time those cops were busy twiddling their thumbs and threatening parents.

The police on scene were nothing short of despicable cowards - the whole lot of them should be fired if not prosecuted.

This situation is sickening from start to finish.
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Completely agree.
 
Ruthanne said:
We are tired of it, damn tired and sickened. It is the lawmakers who need to act--we elected them.
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Right on! and if the lawmakers don't act (as has been the case for too many years) we the people need to act by voting them out.
The very reason this country has this mammoth problem is because politicians have refuse to install some form of meaningful gun control

Doing NOTHING makes it easier for children to be slaughtered.
 
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Jackie23 said:
Right on! and if the lawmakers don't act (as has been the case for too many years) we the people need to act by voting them out.
The very reason this country has this mammoth problem is because politicians have refuse to install some form of meaningful gun control

Doing NOTHING makes it easier for children to be slaughtered.
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I'm sure you will think I am just arguing with you ..... But I am not.

What exactly is [IYO] meaningful gun control?
 
Sunny said:
Aside from the obvious insanity of selling such a weapon to a disturbed person, I would really like to know what possible reason there could be for any civilian to own one. When would a person be in a situation where they need to fire continuous rounds of ammunition, clearly designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible? Has there ever, in real life, been a situation where such a weapon would be needed?
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The answer to this question is actually in the Second Amendment to the U. S. Constitution...you should read it sometime! Our founding Fathers clearly understood what was NECESSARY to maintain a government for and by the people!
 

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