Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

Della said:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the idea of getting something to eat, a pretty scarf and a gun all at the same place.
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@Timewise -- Remember that amendment that said we weren't allowed to sell, buy or drink alcohol? Remember what happened there? Amendments can be repealed, they weren't written by God and carved in stone. Stop worshiping them.
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In a way, the first ten amendments, including the second amendment are carved in stone,. They are the Bill of Rights.
 

Jules said:
And what quality of security are they going to get?
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Speaking just of LAPD, police are spread mighty thin these days. I happen to live in a fairly low crime area. On the rare occasions when DH or I see an LAPD cruiser pass our house we speculate whether the cop might be lost.
 

ElCastor said:
The purchase and sale of fully automatic weapons in the United States is severely restricted by law. Presumably this includes hand guns. A 9mm semi-automatic was used to kill several kids in at least one school shooting, and bump stocks which are used to make semi-automatic rifles fully automatic are currently legal thanks to a lawsuit by "gun activists".

"Boulder, Colorado: March 22, 2021: 10 dead
Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa bought a Ruger AR-556 pistol, a semi-automatic weapon with a capacity of up to 30 rounds, six days before the shooting at King Soopers grocery store, police said."
https://www.kcci.com/article/22-mass-shootings-374-dead-where-did-the-guns-come-from/40130537

And, a semiautomatic rifle was used in the Texas school shooting.

A six shooter worked for Wyatt Earp. It, and or my personal preference, a pump shotgun, should be sufficient for home defense, but less practical for mass murder.
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Full auto firearms are expensive, manufacturing of new ones was banned in 1986. A full auto M-16 sells for upwards of $20,000. The permit to own costs $200 subject an FBI background check with fingerprints. It's really not much different than a regular gun purchase but it does usually take 90 days or so. The chief law enforcement officer of the county or city of residence has to approve or deny the permit. In some cases a Trust is used to keep the firearm in the family and allow inherited full autos to pass to heirs (all have passed the same permit process). Trusts are not subject to the chief law enforcement officer's approval.

Suppressors, SBR, AOW (short barrel rifles/ shotguns) utilize the same permit process. In the UK suppressors are commonly used and not restricted. Primarily to keep the sound levels down to avoid disturbing the neighbors, night hunting is perfectly legal as well.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
You still seem confused, I responded to your earlier comment that hand guns were banned in the USA. They are not! Everything else you said is well known by all who follow this topic! Nuff Said!
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Huh? I NEVER said that hand guns were banned in the USA -- as in NEVER! Why would I? Clearly they are not. I was referring to Fully Automatic hand guns and rifles, and lest you accuse me of claiming rifles are banned in the USA, let me re-phrase -- fully automatic hand guns and fully automatic rifles. BTW, I have since learned that even fully automatics can be owned in the USA, but only under very unusual circumstances.
 
Della said:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the idea of getting something to eat, a pretty scarf and a gun all at the same place.
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@Timewise -- Remember that amendment that said we weren't allowed to sell, buy or drink alcohol? Remember what happened there? Amendments can be repealed, they weren't written by God and carved in stone. Stop worshiping them.
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Until recently, many Walmarts in rural areas sold guns and ammunition.
 
Chet said:
Let's remember that in the vast majority of American schools, there were no shootings and kids attended and came home safely. I see a school bus pick up kids on the corner of my street and everything is fine.
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Thank you.
Also, remember that a few decades ago there weren't so many , if any, shootings, and in or about 2005 it was "in the news" that ALL of the shootings the previous 'x' number of years were by people who had been seeing a cyborg .... oops... psykiatris, sorry for the 'mis'spelling , and were on or had stopped taking DRUGS/ prescription mind altering medications. None of the shootings apparently, at least in the news, were by anyone healthy minded and not on any mind altering medications.
Some, at least, if not all, the shootings since then likewise, although a lot of money and power was exercised to prevent this from being broadcast, apparently. The powerful cartel of drug makers and promoters is very dangerous and more powerful than almost anyone seems to realize ?
 
JaniceM said:
Allegedly so were the 10 Commandments.. but I don't see many people taking those seriously.
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I think the Word the Creator Gave/Gives Clearly Shows that most people never stop serving the enemy - to put it too politely.
Some people used to refer to the "Commandments" as "Instructions", as the Creator gave them for Instructing the children daily, as many as would believe, which has always been few, not many ever, comparatively.
One "new" instruction, if you will, in the NT, "be harmless as doves".
It's possible that not even one person in a thousand or more knows this experientially.
 
Chet said:
In a way, the first ten amendments, including the second amendment are carved in stone,. They are the Bill of Rights.
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Rights can also be safeguarded by legislation. Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights but we are hardly a down trodden, oppressed people and we don't live in a toxic gun culture where children are slaughtered in their classrooms.

The effect of the constitutional interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is nothing less than a human rights disaster for unarmed innocents and peaceful citizens.

I am always amazed that so many US citizens are unable to see the social consequences of having a Bill of Rights written in the days of horse and buggies and flint lock rifles.

This is a list of infantry weapons used in the American Revolutionary War.
 
Gee, I am an American citizen, and yes I can see the consequences of the 2nd amendment. They are freedom and safety for us and for our children and grandchildren. Without the 2nd amendment, we would have already lost the rest of them.

As Mao Zedong said "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
 
Just Jeff said:
Thank you.
Also, remember that a few decades ago there weren't so many , if any, shootings, and in or about 2005 it was "in the news" that ALL of the shootings the previous 'x' number of years were by people who had been seeing a cyborg .... oops... psykiatris, sorry for the 'mis'spelling , and were on or had stopped taking DRUGS/ prescription mind altering medications. None of the shootings apparently, at least in the news, were by anyone healthy minded and not on any mind altering medications.
Some, at least, if not all, the shootings since then likewise, although a lot of money and power was exercised to prevent this from being broadcast, apparently. The powerful cartel of drug makers and promoters is very dangerous and more powerful than almost anyone seems to realize ?
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You are not sorry in the least, but rather disruptive for a brand new member. Not fond of mental health professionals? Lol. Handy scapegoats. Have a nice day, and welcome to ignore.
 
StarSong said:
Speaking just of LAPD, police are spread mighty thin these days. I happen to live in a fairly low crime area. On the rare occasions when DH or I see an LAPD cruiser pass our house we speculate whether the cop might be lost.
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Same in our area. We see a cop patrol through our area maybe once every few months. Of course, we live in a gated community so that probably makes a difference. A few years back, we had a young man, 23 I think, scale the wall and robbed three homes that were vacant due to the owners being in Florida at the time.
 

2nd Amendment: Original Meaning and Purpose​

"When the Constitution was signed on September 17, 1787, federalists claimed the new government would only have limited powers expressly delegated to it. This wasn’t enough for anti-federalists like George Mason, who wanted explicit guarantees to certain rights in order to prevent any potential encroachment by the federal government.

One of them was the right to keep and bear arms. Mason wrote:

“A well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free State”
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The Founding Fathers, having just broken away from Great Britain, understood the new federal government they were ratifying might one day become just as tyrannical. If it had the authority to control citizen access to firearms, then it could disarm them, just as the British attempted to do. This would make any attempts to restore liberties futile.

The Second Amendment was specifically included in the Bill of Rights to prevent this."

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/09/22/2nd-amendment-original-meaning-and-purpose/
 
ElCastor said:
I have read it. If the Second Amendment is not infringed by a ban on fully automatic rifles and hand guns, please explain why a ban on semi-automatic rifles and hand guns would be an infringement?
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If you were a hunter, you would already understand this! Especially, if you hunt migrating birds...
 
Sunny said:
Timewise, no civilized place would allow a teacher to carry a concealed weapon. A teacher is not a secret agent in a fantasy movie. If I had a child who had such a teacher, I would be leading a movement to have that teacher fired at once, and you can be sure that my precious child would not be in that class.
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Guess you never had a teacher who had been in the military! You know, the place where men and women are trained to use weapons to defend our country! They all would be good teachers to carry a concealed weapon...
Sunny said:
Timewise,, maybe you should stop looking at your clock, and do some proof reading before clicking on the "post reply" button? Some of us actually have a life beyond this forum...SMILE!
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Jackie23 said:
After all the discussions and years of mass shootings with the same results I have to agree with others that this needs to become a top priority voting issue, the sooner the better.
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So then, apparently you believe the government can somehow make things better instead of worse ?

Other than having local or other law enforcement officers present in areas to "keep the peace", could you refer to or mention one or more things the government actually helped when they put the government hand in to control it ?
 
Warrigal said:
Rights can also be safeguarded by legislation. Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights but we are hardly a down trodden, oppressed people and we don't live in a toxic gun culture where children are slaughtered in their classrooms.
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I'm not there, never been, so have only had personal reports/ published reports concerning Australia the last 2.5 years to see what may be going on there.
It has not looked good according to "oppressed" people concerned with the governments actions there. (Sanctions, shutdowns, arrests , imprisonment or isolation for large groups, without evidence of any of this helping at all) So what have you seen about all this , there ?
 
Shalimar said:
You are not sorry in the least, but rather disruptive for a brand new member. Not fond of mental health professionals? Lol. Handy scapegoats. Have a nice day, and welcome to ignore.
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Taking the Osterich approach on this one I see.

Do you just put everyone on ignore when they disagree with you ?

Yeah now there's a mature intelligent way to discuss a topic.
 
ElCastor said:
My dad was a pheasant hunter and owned a semi-auto shotgun. Nice weapon, but a double barrel or pump would do. If that doesn't work for you, too bad. Personally, I feed birds, I don't hunt them.
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I don't hunt either. But actually, anyone who eats chicken or turkey contributes to killing birds. And anyone who eats beef, lamb, or pork contributes to killing cows, lambs & pigs. And these animals are not roaming free; they're kept cramped in small areas & die a painful death. Not much difference, is there?
 
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