Hunters are supposed to kill for food. Some probably don't. That doesn't mean there's a difference. Killed is killed.
But then again, food animals should be killed humanely, & they aren't kept or killed humanely.
Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas
- Thread starter JustBonee
- Start date
But then again, food animals should be killed humanely, & they aren't kept or killed humanely.
First thought, right or wrong or whatever .... most people may not or do not contribute to making medicines(synthetic) , and medicine is one of the leading causes of death for the last 50 years at least , so is there a difference ? Are they 'responsible' at all for the deaths of people from medicine, even if they never saw them nor made the medicine, but only silently went along with the corporations making the drugs ?
JaniceM
Well-known Member
- Location
- still lost between two shores..
Not singling you out with this specifically, but as (not sure of term) those weapons have become legal here for deer hunting, one of the local news guys said they have a range of more than 2 miles... so it's not a matter of 'if' innocent people end up getting killed, but 'when.'
JaniceM
Well-known Member
- Location
- still lost between two shores..
I had a relative who hunted pheasants, deer, etc., AND it was only for food... but all it took was one of his friends accidentally dying in a hunting accident (by the guy's own gun) that caused the relative and all of his hunting friends to start hunting by bow. Nobody needs those other types of guns to shoot birds, deer, etc., it's just plain idiotic.
ElCastor
Senior Member
- Location
- Northern CA
There is usually a food aspect, but also an element of sport and enjoyment of the kill. I was at one time a very active decoy collector. While I was never a hunter, I knew a lot who were. Some were rural and did it to keep food on the table, while others were not rural and did it more for the "sport", as in a kind of entertainment, getting outdoors, etc. You could compare it to various aspects of fishing -- some meat on the table, but for many a reason to get out into nature and experience the thrill of catching a big fish, or unfortunately, killing a bird. As I said, my wife and I feed birds -- everything from sparrows to crows and woodpeckers.
SeniorBen
Senior Member
Several of the children murdered in the Uvalde massacre were decapitated by the AR-15 bullets. Nobody needs that much firepower outside of a war battle.
I know that @SeniorBen. Can anything be more troubling than that? Can't think of anything.
SeniorBen
Senior Member
Yep, factory farms should be outlawed. Doing so would increase the price of meat, though, and will add to inflation.
Die or Live , Dramatic Comparison often ignored or overlooked (and not counting many more murders not listed here) >
https://time.com/6182856/children-gun-deaths-mass-shootings/
"On average, 1,200 children a year die by suicide with a gun. Another 130 children and teens per year die from unintentional shootings.
On average, fewer than 35 children and teens are killed as a result of mass shootings a year—even though, for obvious and good reasons, those tragedies often receive lots of attention."
https://time.com/6182856/children-gun-deaths-mass-shootings/
"On average, 1,200 children a year die by suicide with a gun. Another 130 children and teens per year die from unintentional shootings.
On average, fewer than 35 children and teens are killed as a result of mass shootings a year—even though, for obvious and good reasons, those tragedies often receive lots of attention."
"Local News Guys" are ignorant about firearms - and other subjects. They can only repeat what they're told to report - including whatever is sensational.
Warrigal
SF VIP
- Location
- Sydney, Australia
I assume that you are referring to how our respective governments dealt with Covid 19
These facts are my evidence that the measures taken in Australia did save many lives.
Our per capita death toll from Covid has been less than 1% of that of the freedom loving USA
Correction - that last sentence should have read: "Our per capita death toll from Covid has been less than 10% of that of the freedom loving USA".
Australia:
Confirmed cases (absolute) 5,756,791
Confirmed deaths (absolute) 7,052
Population (in millions) 25.69
Deaths per million 274.54
Confirmed cases (absolute) 80,442,894
Confirmed deaths (absolute) 986,896
Population (in millions) 329.48
Deaths per million 2,995.28
Source • COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista
The same picture emerges when looking at deaths by firearm and that is exactly how we like it.
Last edited:
Just like "fake news" a few years ago,
"fake statistics" today. We learned decades ago in h.s. and college that statistics can be made to show whatever is wanted to be shown, instead of the truth. The governments and political, financial and medical powers in place refust the truth - they won't tell it, and they won't protect it, and they squish any one when they can who speaks truth to power.
"fake statistics" today. We learned decades ago in h.s. and college that statistics can be made to show whatever is wanted to be shown, instead of the truth. The governments and political, financial and medical powers in place refust the truth - they won't tell it, and they won't protect it, and they squish any one when they can who speaks truth to power.
dseag2
Dallas, TX
- Location
- Dallas, TX
And it's Ostrich, by the way. Did your spellcheck not work?rgp
Well-known Member
- Location
- Milford,OH
That's my point ........ it is not a discussion if they just ignore the people that have not agreed with them in the past . Their mind is not even open to an alternative opinion/thought. That tells me that they think they are correct in every way, and any opposition , counter point will not be heard and /or considered.
It has sort of a take my ball and go home ring to it" ...... hence lack of maturity.
You mean like you're ignored on that other forum, Jeff Elohim? Distraught to see you here, but it's really none of my business. Take over. Carry on.
Sassycakes
SF VIP
- Location
- Pennsylvania
Reading this again still makes me cry. I don't understand why the police didn't go into the school. They were armed and their job is to protect those in danger. Even if they saved only a few lives things would have come out better.
Somewhat.
When wards/or subjects/ of the state or medical cartel confront someone it is not as if they want to discuss something at all.
i.e. It's just distracting and deceiving the more they post the more they show the errors of their cartel/group/choice/whatever, but it's not leading to anything helpful and they won't change, or rarely. Others might benefit, true, but I don't think it's really helpful whenever anyone anywhere has been so conditioned by 'political correctness' that they only repeat the errors instead of questioning them and seeking what's good and right and true.
That may be a good point , and can you remember a good example where action was taken locally or nationally or in other country ?
rgp
Well-known Member
- Location
- Milford,OH
Actually ..........
"Gonzales, the supreme court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent."
I really hope you believe me when I say I understand your emotion but ....... I did some looking and there are many sites that state the above, in various ways.
It is easy for all of us to say .......... well if I had been there id'a gone in with my gun , and performed in this way or that way ....... I'd a taken that SOB out & saved as many kids as i could have . Yeah well, maybe we would have , but more likely we would not have.
It is always very easy to be brave ...... when not actually confronted/involved. Always easy to "Monday morning quarterback"
It needs to be said, so I'll say it........
Those police officers wanted to go home to their families , just as much as the other families wanted their kids to come home to them.
Do we really want to promote tradng one life for another ? I don't.
Yes i know the police had a better "fighting" chance than did those kids but ...... Since I do not know all the facts and was not there , I'll refrain from judgement.
I am so very sorry that even one child lost one drop of blood , but my after the fact railing won't change that, hating the police won't either.
And perhaps the worst thing is ....... I really have no idea how and stop it from happening again.
Hate me if you choose ......... I've reached the age where I really don't care anylonger.
"Those police officers wanted to go home to their families , just as much as the other families wanted their kids to come home to them."
If their own lives come before the public they should seek other employment. Totally useless. It's like they were defunded or something.
Uvalde's local government is corrupt.
If their own lives come before the public they should seek other employment. Totally useless. It's like they were defunded or something.
Uvalde's local government is corrupt.
rgp
Well-known Member
- Location
- Milford,OH
OK, are you going to take their place ? Everyone's "OWN" life is the most important .
Anyone that says other, is either a mental case or a liar.
I know nothing about Uvalde's government, so no comment.
Am I going to take their place? Of course, what better thing to do than to hire a 72 year old woman. However, I can hide and be a coward too. No one made these folks cops. They chose to be cops. As a working woman I sold crotchless panties among other things. I didn't choose cop work.
rgp
Well-known Member
- Location
- Milford,OH
Did you read what i posted, in post #496 ?
"Gonzales, the supreme court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent."
Your past employment does sound interesting though .......