Equality for men

A few people seem to laboring under the delusion that I'm angry. That couldn't be further from the truth. At age 71, I'm happier than I've even been. I have everything I need or could want.

I have my library, which I keep adding to. There is not a week that goes by where I don't complete a new book.

I have the satisfaction of knowing I've circumnavigated the globe and spent vast amounts of time in 12 different countries.

I have a professionals kitchen where I can create any dish that suits my fancy.

I have the freedom to do as I please, without having to explain anything to anyone.

But, perhaps most importantly, I have peace and quite. The sound of silence is wonderful.

I have learned that I am complete, within myself.

I crave nothing.
 

hearlady said:
Traveler I hope you find someone who only asks for your love and respect. I hope you're not so tainted you can't enjoy some good old fashioned romance without keeping score.
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Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment. But I'm all done trying to please someone else. I'm content.
 

You seem to have forgotten the many women you interact with on this forum.

For the record, and as indicated by the :lol:, I was just joshing you.
Perhaps you should live with someone (platonically, of course) for a bit to lighten you up with a bit of teasing.
 
Warrigal said:
You seem to have forgotten the many women you interact with on this forum.

For the record, and as indicated by the :lol:, I was just joshing you.
Perhaps you should live with someone (platonically, of course) for a bit to lighten you up with a bit of teasing.
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Hmm. Joshing is it ? "Don't be surprised if a pile of manure is on the way to my doorstep right now"? Strange sense of joshing.:confused:
 
Traveler I looked through your thread and I feel for you and can guess what you've been through and why you feel this way toward women. I have a old time friend and his wife really did him dirty she played around on him and took him to the cleaners in court. He ended up with nothing but a broken heart because his kids loved him and he lost them too in the divorce. He moved out of the state and hardly sees any of them as if he was punished for her infidelity and from what I saw in their relationship she was really a bi*ch. But not all women are that way and I hope that one day you will meet one who cares for you and is not so overbearing and heartless. I like what hearlady said about maybe you finding someone who respects you and wants a life partner. If not at least you're content with your life now so that's good

I've done heavy work since I was young and helped my dad work on cars and worked with men on an equal level with equal pay but I would not be able to perform equally to a man in the military. I don't know if they will ever draft women here but there are special favors given to women in the service I heard about that years ago http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20150430_art009.pdf
 
I haven't the foggiest idea of what half of the posters are talking about. There is, however, one common recurring theme. Some people have decide to attempt to divine my thoughts and emotions. I find this rather humorous. They don't like what I have to say, so they attempt to discredit me by suggesting or outright stating that there must be something wrong with me.

Well, all I can say is, if it gives them some sense of superiority, then ok. No problem. Enjoy yourselves.

For those people who have sent posts of kindness and support, I thank you.
 
Traveler - I wish you had edited your OP to be clearer and concise.

I believe that, and my life-experience has shown me, that some discussions veer into emotional issues that will never yield to any logical study.

Gender roles, being one of them. They are part and parcel of personal identity and discussions of them are often considered an attack.

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To each his/her own....I didn't have a problem with Men when I worked in the workforce...If I did, I would let him know....Not go crying to my superior....because that man would never
say a nasty word again to me....I was married at 20 yrs. old to a great man...Am I lucky? Maybe, because we talk....We are not the "Movie Stars", we are people who work and take care of
our family....Maybe I'm from a different generation...But I contributed to our working habits....It wasn't "It's my money" It was ours.. One bank account...And guess what? I handle the finances...
since we have been married....If you're not happy with America that it is....Go someplace else place to live...
To Stormy...I would never be able to be in the Service....I know so many who have not come home and some who have died young from their injuries...
Us Women were made different...
 
peppermint said:
To each his/her own....I didn't have a problem with Men when I worked in the workforce...If I did, I would let him know....Not go crying to my superior....because that man would never
say a nasty word again to me....I was married at 20 yrs. old to a great man...Am I lucky? Maybe, because we talk....We are not the "Movie Stars", we are people who work and take care of
our family....Maybe I'm from a different generation...But I contributed to our working habits....It wasn't "It's my money" It was ours.. One bank account...And guess what? I handle the finances...
since we have been married....If you're not happy with America that it is....Go someplace else place to live...
To Stormy...I would never be able to be in the Service....I know so many who have not come home and some who have died young from their injuries...
Us Women were made different...
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Moving to another country would hardly solve the problem. It's world wide and is widely documented. Not every woman is raised in an environment that encourages assertiveness and not every male is raised in an environment that encourages respect for women. Some have to learn the hard way.
 
peppermint said:
If you're not happy with America that it is....Go someplace else place to live...
To Stormy...I would never be able to be in the Service....I know so many who have not come home and some who have died young from their injuries...
Us Women were made different...
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Speak for yourself. Maybe you were "made different" but many of us weren't. I considered joining the military when I was a young woman but the rules for women back then were downright repressive and oppressive.

Good grief, I thought that old America love it or leave it crap was part of the past. This country was founded by dissenters. No reason for that to change.
 
In an attempt to put this thread back on track, I once again ask the question: "If young men are required to register for the draft, then should young women also be required to do the same ?
 
Traveler said:
In an attempt to put this thread back on track, I once again ask the question: "If young men are required to register for the draft, then should young women also be required to do the same ?
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Yes. As long as the men in charge will stop creating wars that sends it's citizens to go fight them.

I'm done.
 
Traveler said:
In an attempt to put this thread back on track, I once again ask the question: "If young men are required to register for the draft, then should young women also be required to do the same ?
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I say to be fair yes but I also say that nobody should be drafted in this country the military service should be voluntary IMO
 
Olivia said:
I really do believe that Traveler has been hurt, and still living with that in his gut and wanting to express it. I don't think it was a good way to do it by blaming his hurt on the rest us, but I say let's give him the benefit of the doubt, and leave it at that.
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I say the same Olivia
 
Traveler said:
In an attempt to put this thread back on track, I once again ask the question: "If young men are required to register for the draft, then should young women also be required to do the same ?
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Absolutely, but before then the military needs to make itself safe for women. It certainly isn't now. Women in the military deserve equal rights.

I keep asking if you were drafted and that's why this matters so much to you. No answer, which I suppose is an answer.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Absolutely, but before then the military needs to make itself safe for women. It certainly isn't now. Women in the military deserve equal rights.
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Please expand what you mean.
Presuming you mean safe from sexual harassment; is there anywhere women are safer?

In my 20 years of service, I came to the conclusion that the military is the most equal for all; sex, race, nationality... Equal pay, equal opportunity to advance (even w/o the requirement to combat duty). Yes, there were/are physical requirements and limits, but that's because of the nature of the possible demands.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Absolutely, but before then the military needs to make itself safe for women. It certainly isn't now. Women in the military deserve equal rights.

I keep asking if you were drafted and that's why this matters so much to you. No answer, which I suppose is an answer.
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Whether I was drafted, or not, is of no consequence. But, for your general fund of information, it IS possible for a person to advocate for something without having any possible personal gain. Example: I strongly, repeat strongly, advocate for the rights of African-Americans to be free from police brutality. I do this in spite of the fact I happen to be white.
 
Traveler said:
Whether I was drafted, or not, is of no consequence. But, for your general fund of information, it IS possible for a person to advocate for something without having any possible personal gain. Example: I strongly, repeat strongly, advocate for the rights of African-Americans to be free from police brutality. I do this in spite of the fact I happen to be white.
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More deflection; you still did not answer the question. You are advocating for something you, yourself, were not subject to. It's called hypocrisy. As for your question yes I am for a draft of ALL 18 year olds I previously addressed it:
current population will have a mix of ideas on the subject.
As for the whole military issue. Most military personnel have traditionally been dead set against allowing women into the military at all. Little by little women are changing that. As for the draft, that's almost laughable. There are just as many men , as well as women that would be strongly against it. Probably more. The sexual assault issue is a serious problem that will have to be dealt with before many parents will be positive about having their daughters drafted . Not many parents are going to be too enthusiastic about their daughters being put into an environment where sexual assault is practically a given. Many men already in the military say they feel they are more at risk with a female - especially in the more "Macho" branches.
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There are many issues to be addressed before there is "equity". If military service is to be mandatory then refusal or acceptance of women is certain segments of the military service will have to be made on ability - not gender like they have been. Opportunities for advancement will have to be available for women not as they have been. There are a bunch more which I won't go into now.
 
HipGnosis said:
Please expand what you mean.
Presuming you mean safe from sexual harassment; is there anywhere women are safer?

In my 20 years of service, I came to the conclusion that the military is the most equal for all; sex, race, nationality... Equal pay, equal opportunity to advance (even w/o the requirement to combat duty). Yes, there were/are physical requirements and limits, but that's because of the nature of the possible demands.
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I'm talking about rape, not sexual harassment but actual rape. It's estimated that 1 in 3 women in the U.S. military has been raped while on duty, many of them more than once. They get in trouble for reporting it, either court-martialed or discharged.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html
 
As happens a topic will veer off. Equality being the original thread concept the op cited a few areas between the sexes. Nothing profound in that is there?


The problem I see with that is what used to be isn't any more.


This works for me as being able to point to difference.


Women as having the role of being only capable of domestic duties. NOT!
https://www.nawbo.org/resources/women-business-owner-statistics


Women in the military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military


Child custody
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...re-women-losing-custody-battles-children.html


Rather than be stuck in what roles men & women are thought to have. I tend to look at what changes have taken place as being for the better.
 

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