Ex-Prince Andrew Arrested (On His Birthday)

hollydolly said:
..also they were paying him... it was no accident that all his ''friends'' were the super rich...
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Exactly. Epstein was a facilitator of deals legal or not. The 'party' setting helped make them happen.

There's a saying-'It's who you know' if one wants to get ahead in life wether it be money, a job, relationship what ever.

Rich and powerful people need and want favors just as much as anyone else. That's how some of them got their wealth and power.
 
Sunny said:
Strange, the photo popped right up on my screen, and I don't have an Instagram account. But I really don't see anything funny about the
situation.
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You're right. Those experiences destroy lives. Virginia Giuffre, a victim who was particularly forthcoming about the exploitation she suffered and how it affected her life, was either murdered or committed suicide (sounds like Epstein's demise, doesn't it???).

People should make no mistake about it, these CHILDREN were well below the age of consent. And the adults involved knew it.

Tragic and nauseating that humans can be so self-centered that in their minds, their personal perverse predilections should trump the physical and mental health of a child. Ugh...
 
Sunny said:
Strange, the photo popped right up on my screen, and I don't have an Ihstagram account. But I really don't see anything funny about the
situation.
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The picture they took of him was hideous and he did look like a monster. I thought it was spot on.
 
StarSong said:
You're right. Those experiences destroy lives. Virginia Giuffre, a victim who was particularly forthcoming about the exploitation she suffered and how it affected her life, was either murdered or committed suicide (sounds like Epstein's demise, doesn't it???).

People should make no mistake about it, these CHILDREN were well below the age of consent. And the adults involved knew it.

Tragic and nauseating that humans can be so self-centered that in their minds, their personal perverse predilections should trump the physical and mental health of a child. Ugh...
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What's even worse , and it's yet to be revealed that some of these victims were babies... ..

Over the years there have been celebrities who have tried to tell the public about what has been going on ... and they've been dismissed as nutters, and mocked .. and in some cases..lost their careers... but they were right....
 
hollydolly said:
What's even worse , and it's yet to be revealed that some of these victims were babies... ..

Over the years there have been celebrities who have tried to tell the public about what has been going on ... and they've been dismissed as nutters, and mocked .. and in some cases..lost their careers... but they were right....
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A guy from the CIA who opened his mouth got killed. A Dutch model from the 90s said it about his French partner and others. They locked her up in an asylum.
 
WhatInThe said:
I'm hearing it's about divulging or selling state secrets. Sex issues/crimes is a different story

Epstein was a facilitator for 'deals' as much as anything else. The rich and powerful knew this and hung with him to network with others. Throw in some blackmail Epstein could get or arrange anything he or friends wanted.
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Yeah, Andrew's arrest has little to do with Epstein.

It's about using his position and The People's money to make mutually profitable deals with VIPs in Middle-Eastern countries considered unfriendly to (if not enemies of) the UK.

It's about treason, basically.

The details are in Andrew Lownie's latest royal biography, Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York. I read it and my chin was on the floor the whole time.

The Mountbatten formerly known as Prince is a disgusting pig. He and his ex-Mrs are both absolutely wretched.
 
Nathan said:
In the U.S. a celebrity or some such prominent person would be in Protective Custody.
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That didn't work out to well for epstein. It might get the prosecutor's ball rolling and gaining steam if andrew spends some more time in the slammer. Just my opinion but I would bet he would spill the beans on some of the other culprits if things heat up for him. He doesn't have his mama to cover for him anymore.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I’m not really sure what happened, Andrew was taken into custody and released without any charges being filed.

Was this designed to embarrass him and the royal family, make him sweat to see what he might do after his release?

I don’t get it.
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Sweat!! Well that would put the cat among the pigeons @Aunt Bea :)


For those who may not be able to view the above.

During his disastrous BBC interview in 2019, he was asked about a specific sexual assault claim wherein the victim described him as sweating profusely on the dance floor. He then went on to explain that he suffered from a medical condition at the time which made it almost impossible for him to sweat
 
StarSong said:
I didn't realize that the monarchy had so much influence over Australia's governance, @Warrigal. (It was my understanding that the RF are essentially powerless figureheads when it comes to the running of AU, Canada and other non-UK Commonwealth countries.)

Aren't an elected prime minister and a parliament the political heads of your country?
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Yes, they are at the moment. The Governor General and state governors are the executive branches that perform ceremonial duties and sign legislation into law. They represent the Crown but have very little power. They announce the writs for elections and appoint ministers but it is parliament that calls the shots.
They hand out medals and being non partisan, they can be important in times of national emergency.
 
Warrigal said:
They hand out medals and being non partisan, they can be important in times of national emergency.
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Because of morale, or because of the mutual treaties among Commonwealth countries?

Seems a lot of countries have remained part of the Commonwealth but are no longer part of the "realm." I'm not getting how it would dramatically (if at all) affect the AU political structure if your country decided to shed the RF as a figurehead in your government and country.

To be clear, I'm not expressing an opinion either way, just trying to understand how it might materially matter in the running of your country.

For instance, Hollywood, California is part of Los Angeles City and thus under the umbrella of the L.A. mayor and city council. Since the 1940s, however, Hollywood has generally had a mayor (though none since 2008), but it's primarily a promotional position for the entertainment industry — a master of ceremonies appointed by the Hollywood of Commerce to preside over Hollywood parades, the laying of new slabs in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and similar photo-op events. That kind of thing. Utterly powerless when it came to the actual business of running of Hollywood. It's the kind of thing Tom Hanks might be asked to do in his dotage.

Hollywood runs just fine whether or not there's a current "mayor."
 
Warrigal said:
We had a referendum during Howard's time and it was knocked down decisively. It could be time to become a republic, but the voters would have to be won over to a new model.

Do we want an elected president with real power, or a Governor General with ceremonial status only? Whichever model is put before the people could be struck down by the need for a majority of votes in a majority of states.

And what about our associated territories like Norfolk Island and Christmas Island? Where would they fit into this new model?

So many questions to consider.
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yes I know - but Howard's time is quite a while ago.

and the republic alternative was not well presented and so people voted for status quo rather than risk change.

IMO more people now would be in favour of a republic if it were a well presented model and there was a referendum - but I also think most people are apathetic about the idea and don't want to bother with a referendum or a political campaign (or have money spent o n them) - so the status quo remains, not really because people prefer it but because it isnt important enough to bother changing.
 
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