Felicity Huffman sentencing tomorrow

rgp said:
I'll say it again.......she used what she had, to do the best she could for her kid. No different than most any parent........Or at least I hope so anyway.
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And what lesson was she teaching her kid? Was it "Gee, my Mom and Pop don't think I'm smart enough to succeed on my own" OR "So that's the way to get what I want. Just buy it."
 

DaveA said:
So does the kid who robs a pack of cigarettes at the local 7-11. He uses his skill(?) and quickness to get what he wants to enjoy.

He and the rich bas###ds who stole spots from more qualified but poorer kids (with no connections) are no different. The only real difference is the kid at the 7-11 will most likely get a proportionally stiffer sentence.
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Apples & oranges.......
 
gennie said:
And what lesson was she teaching her kid? Was it "Gee, my Mom and Pop don't think I'm smart enough to succeed on my own" OR "So that's the way to get what I want. Just buy it."
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Like I said, ya use what ya have.

""So that's the way to get what I want. Just buy it.""

Don't we all do that , everyday ?
 

Pepper said:
No, we all don't cheat others everyday. I know you don't consider buying a spot which denies someone else to be cheating, so let's leave it at that.
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How is it cheating ? We all have known for years that upscale schools & Ivy league schools are not for everyone/blue collar people. Even if we [our kids] had the grades / IQ, to qualify , if we can't afford the tuition ? What difference does it make ? I don't see this as being much different.

As I have said before, I see much of this as just more of the jealously [hate] of the rich.

We buy the tickets, to view the films that make these folks beyond wealthy, they are , applauded , revered, etc & so-on.......Well when they achieve , why are we so surprised/insulted, when they use what they have earned , to their advantage? We, [by virtue of putting them on this pedestal] have taught them that they are [above] us.....and so they believe that they are.

This is not for you, but for me...so-to-speak.
 
It's always been true that wealthy kids got in if their people bought buildings, endowments, etc. And I'm NOT insulting you, I'm typing as fast as I can! :)
 
I know quite a few people from blue-collar families who went to ivy-league colleges and did fine. Two of my cousins went on scholarship, and became very successful/wealthy.
 
My son is one of those people, applecruncher. Believe me, there was no way I could have helped him, but when the top schools want someone, a way is usually found by the institution itself.

Princeton is now tuition free, for every student, regardless of family income.
 
Re: Princeton, I found this: (and Stanford has a similar program)

At Princeton, parents making less than $140,000 do not pay tuition. Those making less than $60,000 are covered for tuition, room and board. Those making between $60,000 and $120,000 only pay a percentage of room and board. Princeton covers more for families with lower incomes.
 
Thanks for expanding on Princeton. Aren't they wonderful to do that! These Ivy and other top schools are sitting on billions of endowment cash.
 
applecruncher said:
I know quite a few people from blue-collar families who went to ivy-league colleges and did fine. Two of my cousins went on scholarship, and became very successful/wealthy.
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That's terrific, they made it on a scholarship.[that was their help] paid the way.....does that mean they should be the only ones allowed in?
 
Pepper said:
My son is one of those people, applecruncher. Believe me, there was no way I could have helped him, but when the top schools want someone, a way is usually found by the institution itself.

Princeton is now tuition free, for every student, regardless of family income.
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Where's the money coming from ?
 
rgp said:
So the higher income of successful parents in general is not merit based ?
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Not necessarily. I worked Admissions at a top University. Legacy kids account for an overwhelming amount of admissions; wealthier kids too BUT the majority of these kids have always had access to the best schools, tutors, enrichment programs All of their Lives, so it seems to generally sink in. A valedictorian at a lousy high school may be the smartest in their schools which aren't as demanding compared to the upper echelon schools; however, many are more than deserving of a chance in the big leagues.

I'm not too naive; I know Life is slanted. When you're born into it, the ride is easier, so why bother to cheat when you've got it already?
 
Butterfly said:
Nothing wrong with doing the best for your kid, but what these parents did was against the law. No matter how you spin it or whitewash it, it was against the law. Period.
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Not trying to spin anything........But they had to really dig to find the law she broke......fraud by mail??? And at that time...a possible 30 years in jail.....
 
Pepper said:
Not necessarily. I worked Admissions at a top University. Legacy kids account for an overwhelming amount of admissions; wealthier kids too BUT the majority of these kids have always had access to the best schools, tutors, enrichment programs All of their Lives, so it seems to generally sink in. A valedictorian at a lousy high school may be the smartest in their schools which aren't as demanding compared to the upper echelon schools; however, many are more than deserving of a chance in the big leagues.

I'm not too naive; I know Life is slanted. When you're born into it, the ride is easier, so why bother to cheat when you've got it already?
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That's part of it......IMO anyway, they are so used to doors just opening for them, they are at a loss when one does not.

BTW.....My mother worked at the University of Cincinnati , in admissions for several years....LOL! not that,that means anything, jus sayin' She worked there during the Neil Armstrong years....introduced me to him. Nice guy.
 

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