Five dead in shooting at Ft. Lauderdale airport

Shooter got gun into airport through checked luggage. On a flight from Canada? They allow ammo an explosive material in luggage and yet I can't take shampoo?
 
WhatInThe said:
Shooter got gun into airport through checked luggage. On a flight from Canada? They allow ammo an explosive material in luggage and yet I can't take shampoo?
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Yeah, I heard this also and I just don't get it. People are dead because of this. It's stupid. How can this be allowed?
 
WhatInThe said:
Shooter got gun into airport through checked luggage. On a flight from Canada? They allow ammo an explosive material in luggage and yet I can't take shampoo?
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That doesn't sound right. I can't imagine Canada allowing explosives in luggage. They're usually a lot stricter than the U.S.
 
chic said:
Yeah, I heard this also and I just don't get it. People are dead because of this. It's stupid. How can this be allowed?
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It's not they are allowed it's how they are allowed. Any flammable or explosive material should be in approved container with a lock and a seal that can't be broken until off airport property. They're saying this guy walked into a bathroom, opened his luggage and loaded his gun. This seems like planning although they're saying fight on the flight?

Update- boarded Air Canada flight in Alaska

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/c...parently-boarded-air-canada-flight-in-alaska/
 
That doesn't sound right. I can't imagine Canada allowing explosives in luggage. They're usually a lot stricter than the U.S.
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It wouldn't happen here thank goodness, we do have very sane gun laws. We also have lots of guns Canada and we almost never hear for instance of a child accidently killing a friend.
 
Here is some background on the shooter.

The suspect in the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooting was reportedly known to the FBI


Natasha Bertrand
Jan 7, 2017, 9:50 AM


The man authorities believe shot 13 people, five of them fatally, at Fort Lauderdale International Airport on Friday was known to the FBI prior to carrying out the massacre, CBS News reported.

Law enforcement sources told CBS that the suspected assailant, 26-year-old Esteban Santiago, walked into an FBI office in Anchorage, Alaska, in November 2016 claiming voices in his head were telling him to join ISIS.

Bryan Santiago, the suspect’s brother, told The Associated Press that Esteban had been receiving psychological treatment in Alaska, where he had been living since 2014. He said he did not know what his brother was being treated for.

Santiago, who was born in New Jersey but moved to Puerto Rico with his family when he was 2 years old, served in Puerto Rico’s National Guard and was deployed to Iraq in 2010, Puerto Rico’s National Guard spokesman Maj. Paul Dahlen told The Associated Press.

Santiago received a “general discharge” from the National Guard in August for “unsatisfactory performance,” a lieutenant with the Alaska National Guard told CBS.

His aunt, who lives in New Jersey, told reporters that Santiago had started acting strangely when he returned from Iraq, and about a month ago “lost his mind.”

“He said he saw things,” his aunt, Maria Luisa Ruiz, told reporters outside her home in Union City, New Jersey. She mentioned that he had just become a father in September.

Santiago was charged with fourth-degree assault about one year ago in Anchorage in an incident related to domestic violence, police told the Daily Beast.

Santiago flew Delta from Anchorage, Alaska to Fort Lauderdale via Minneapolis-St. Paul on Thursday night, NBC reported. He arrived in Fort Lauderdale late Friday morning, which is when he apparently he used a gun he had checked into his luggage to carry out the massacre in the baggage claim area of Terminal 2.

Santiago is being interviewed by a team of FBI agents and homicide detectives, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said in a press conference Friday.

“At this point it looks like he acted alone,” Israel said of the suspect. He noted that “it’s too early to say either way” whether this was an act of terrorism.
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Can someone please tell my why he was eligible for a concealed carry licence in Alaska and allowed to board a plane with a pistol and ammunition in his luggage?
 
Warrigal said:
Here is some background on the shooter.



Can someone please tell my why he was eligible for a concealed carry licence in Alaska and allowed to board a plane with a pistol and ammunition in his luggage?
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Many states, including ours, now do not require a concealed carry permit. ANYONE who can "legally" own a firearm can carry it openly or concealed with no permit and no training.
 
Just watch how the terrorist will be portrayed as having some form of mental disorder rather than being an Islamic terrorist. We've seen it time and again here especially from Germany after Mad Merkel opened the German borders to all and sundry.

Thankfully (?) this use of mental illness as an excuse for these Muslim activists has significantly reduced as reality swamped the propaganda that was being used to try to keep the sheeple subdued.
 
Florida has the death penalty. The shooter may have chosen the wrong flight to get on. He should have considered one of the more liberal states, like Colorado.
 
Warrigal said:
It would appear that he was barking mad. I don't think the death penalty entered his mind.
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Regardless, if it entered his mind or not. It's not a choice thing. The judge isn't going to ask him, "Do you prefer life w/o parole or a needle?" I don't know what barking mad is, but if you are referring to the fact that he may be psychotic, good luck with that. Very few defendants here in the U.S get off with an insanity plea. The judge will ask the psychiatrist if he thinks the defendant knew right from wrong. If the answer is 'yes'. No insanity plea is accepted. (In most states. I don't know about Florida.)
 
oldman said:
Regardless, if it entered his mind or not. It's not a choice thing. The judge isn't going to ask him, "Do you prefer life w/o parole or a needle?" I don't know what barking mad is, but if you are referring to the fact that he may be psychotic, good luck with that. Very few defendants here in the U.S get off with an insanity plea. The judge will ask the psychiatrist if he thinks the defendant knew right from wrong. If the answer is 'yes'. No insanity plea is accepted. (In most states. I don't know about Florida.)
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If he was a rational terrorist, deliberately weighing the impact of his actions, I wonder why he didn't save the last bullet for himself.
He doesn't seem to be seeking martyrdom and paradise.

Of course the sentence is up to the judge, but guilt must be decided by a jury of twelve. Evidence from qualified psychiatrists should be admitted during the trial and the jury should hear it before deliberation.
 
Attacks by Islamic activists using terrorism have for a while been downplayed as the perpetrator having been mentally ill as an excuse to calm the sheeple.

In answer to why he didn't "save the last bullet" it is because to kill himself would be a sin in Islam.

For example the so called suicide bombers do not deliberately set out to kill themselves with their bombs, they conduct an attack against non believers and if they die in the process then "that is the will of Allah who could have prevented their death if he had so willed it" and accepted their offer of martyrdom.

There is a very great deal about Islam that people of the West don't understand.
 
aeron said:
Attacks by Islamic activists using terrorism have for a while been downplayed as the perpetrator having been mentally ill as an excuse to calm the sheeple.

In answer to why he didn't "save the last bullet" it is because to kill himself would be a sin in Islam.

For example the so called suicide bombers do not deliberately set out to kill themselves with their bombs, they conduct an attack against non believers and if they die in the process then "that is the will of Allah who could have prevented their death if he had so willed it" and accepted their offer of martyrdom.

There is a very great deal about Islam that people of the West don't understand.
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Hmm. I work with Muslims, Socialise with them also. Some are colleagues, some clients. The actions of a terroristic minority in no way reflect the mindset of the majority of Muslims, anymore than the actions of those targeting Jewish Citizens, or black children in church, reflect the mindset of most Christians.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmm. I work with Muslims, Socialise with them also. Some are colleagues, some clients. The actions of a terroristic minority in no way reflect the mindset of the majority of Muslims, anymore than the actions of those targeting Jewish Citizens, or black children in church, reflect the mindset of most Christians.
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I'm afraid that you have a very great deal to learn about Islam.

In England the same was being said about "Ali down the corner shop" years ago and then we found out that the same Ali and his mates were not the friendly harmless guys we thought they were. The "terrorists" are the edge of the majority who approve of the aims of installing Islam in our world or at the very least don't condemn the MAJORITY who do.



You will learn.

Eventually.
 
I think the difference aeron is that in Canada or even in the USA, we have a greater advantage in being able to do a lot better job of vetting because in order to get off the plane, they have to actually pass through Customs, etc., whereas in the EU or even Britain (up until recently) masses of refugee people have been pouring over borders everywhere with it being possible for bad people to hide in the crowd. I would think that this makes a huge difference in the outcome.

Just this morning, our news was doing a one year update of one Syrian family who settled in Antigonish, Nova Scotia and not only did they start a chocolate company called Peace Chocolatiers that is thriving (in only one year) but they hired 10 more people from the community. Their ambition is to start shops across Canada although they have no intention of leaving the community that welcomed them.
 
jujube said:
Not many details yet. Suspect wounded, in custody.

Oh, Lord, will it ever stop?
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Hi JJ, I think it will continue to get worse. I don't like to sound like a "dooms day" crier, but it sure seems like the world is just getting crazier every day. I know these things have always gone on in some places, but now I hear them every morning on the internet, and some on news. The internet puts out way more info than the news I think. And we get to hear "first-hand" from the people that are actually "there" to see it. We can still get convoluted info, and even lies though.
 

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