Florida judge denies stand your ground defense

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Curtis Reeves, retired police captain, will stand trial for killing man in movie theater who was using his phone. After an argument victim threw a bag of popcorn at Reeves, and he shot the guy.

Trial is set for February 2019.

Here's more: (This particular article is from last year but I heard a report about this case in the news earlier this week.)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/10/us/stand-your-ground-movie-trial/index.html
 

I posted a video about this case in the other SYG thread, it was quite the news case when it happened a few years back. Just another angry gun nut ready to shoot at the drop of a dime.
 
I agree with the judge. I can't see for the life of me how being hit with a bag of popcorn could be considered as putting someone's life in danger. Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law" and Colorado's "Make My Day Law" have both come under attack from the DOJ as being too controversial and forcing judges to determine what does and doesn't present an imminent danger to one's life. I carry my mini 9mm almost everywhere I go and I have never felt threatened enough to want to draw my weapon, let alone to shoot someone. Of course, I have never done anything to provoke anyone enough to want to throw their popcorn at me or anything else that could be considered a clear and present danger to their life.
 

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Only a fool does something stupid like throwing popcorn in ones face. Get off the popcorn and get on the fact he provoked an attack. When you know there are laws permitting the carrying of guns do you still feel safe in starting a fight?
 
fmdog44 said:
Only a fool does something stupid like throwing popcorn in ones face. Get off the popcorn and get on the fact he provoked an attack. When you know there are laws permitting the carrying of guns do you still feel safe in starting a fight?
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I would amend your statement to this: When you know there are laws permitting the carrying of guns (by non law enforcement personnel) do you still feel safe?

My answer to that is a resounding NO! The more gun-toting Tom, Dick, and occasional Harriets there are, the less safe I feel in public.
 
StarSong said:
I would amend your statement to this: When you know there are laws permitting the carrying of guns (by non law enforcement personnel) do you still feel safe?

My answer to that is a resounding NO! The more gun-toting Tom, Dick, and occasional Harriets there are, the less safe I feel in public.
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You restate my post because you are saying there are people out there carrying guns. With that being said do you throw popcorn in a strangers face? I think not. If you were forced to choose one house among two to throw are rock through a window and one has a sign stating there is a gun in the house and the other says there are no guns in this house which house would you choose? LIve smart or die.
 
StarSong said:
My answer to that is a resounding NO! The more gun-toting Tom, Dick, and occasional Harriets there are, the less safe I feel in public.
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Especially knowing they are out there laying waiting for any opportunity to shoot someone. With some of these jerks it doesn't take much to set them off, just a look, they will try to provoke you to argue with them so they can then claim you scared them enough to claim they feared for their life. Worse even if there's no whiteness, or cameras, justice really wouldn't bode well for the deceased as who would there be able to dispute the events.

They really do need to adjust this law as there are way too many cases where events like this occur.
 
fmdog44 said:
You restate my post because you are saying there are people out there carrying guns. With that being said do you throw popcorn in a strangers face? I think not. If you were forced to choose one house among two to throw are rock through a window and one has a sign stating there is a gun in the house and the other says there are no guns in this house which house would you choose? LIve smart or die.
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Wow, how bleak. I will restrain from pointing out in detail the psychological damage incurred by many over the long term when exposed to such a life style. Particularly children.
 
It’s a tough one

Not cut and dried, by any means

Nuts carrying
What to do
Carry because nuts are carrying (law or no law)?

I do carry
For decades, now
Have yet to draw it out of its holster around folks

Still, I live in an area where the law doesn’t come
Had a severe beating happen a very few years ago
Drug deal gone south
The perps were at large for days
I carried my semi
And kept my defender 12 gauge pump near at hand
Can’t imagine doing anything else

I don’t carry in the city, in the small towns around here, yes
But not in the city
I feel the law is strong in the city, so why should I carry
The city cop, the county deputy, is enough deterrent to the bad guys

However, the small towns here cannot support law presence
It’s the understanding every home should have a gun, and be ready to use it
This thought is supported by the county sheriff

can't imagine the crime without such a deterrent

made a poster about it, in another life
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fmdog44 said:
Only a fool does something stupid like throwing popcorn in ones face. Get off the popcorn and get on the fact he provoked an attack. When you know there are laws permitting the carrying of guns do you still feel safe in starting a fight?
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I agree that throwing popcorn in someone's face is an incredibly stupid thing to do, and certainly in today's cultural climate.
 
IMO The only way everyone can feel safe, even if someone is eating a bag of popcorn standing next to you is to ban the law which says anyone can carry a gun.
If anyone threw a bag of popcorn in anyone's face in this country it might cause a bit of a rumpus but not murder.
 
justfred said:
IMO The only way everyone can feel safe, even if someone is eating a bag of popcorn standing next to you is to ban the law which says anyone can carry a gun.
If anyone threw a bag of popcorn in anyone's face in this country it might cause a bit of a rumpus but not murder.
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Well the headliner story here contradicts your assumption about rumpus vs. a self defense shooting (not a murder). We will never ban the law you mention when in fact the number of people buying guns has soared and is continuing to soar. I never leave home without mine.
 
Where does the attachment of the term "gun nuts" come from applied to gun owners instead of the scum that attack, assault, murder or car jack or break in to homes or kidknap or rape? Who are the "nuts"???????????????????????? It all proves out when we see people that used to be opposed to gun ownership scramble to apply for ownership the minute after THEY are a victim.
 
I tell my kids and Grandkids all the time that it's a dangerous world that we live in. If you know that you are irritating someone for whatever reason, walk away. Don't stand toe to toe with them and try to debate them why you are right. An hour later, it won't matter who's right or wrong anyway. Life will just go on.
 
Back on the slippery slope again. Yes, it's stupid to throw a bag of popcorn at an angry stranger. But...!

What if the angry stranger was a paranoid nut case who saw an enemy in every human being he encountered? He is sure that people are reading his thought waves, talking about him,
plotting against him, whatever. I have met one or two like that in my life. So, instead of throwing popcorn, the man just looked at him kind of funny, or it seemed that way to him, also.
No one gets away with looking at him like that! That guy is part of the evil plot against him!

Bang!
 
Sunny said:
Back on the slippery slope again. Yes, it's stupid to throw a bag of popcorn at an angry stranger. But...!

What if the angry stranger was a paranoid nut case who saw an enemy in every human being he encountered? He is sure that people are reading his thought waves, talking about him,
plotting against him, whatever. I have met one or two like that in my life. So, instead of throwing popcorn, the man just looked at him kind of funny, or it seemed that way to him, also.
No one gets away with looking at him like that! That guy is part of the evil plot against him!

Bang!
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This person sounds like he has Schizophrenia Paranoia. Some may even say he suffers from PTSD, which I think is becoming over used in defense cases.
 
Though we hear a great deal about the number of women who have recently acquired their first firearm, the bulk of those surveyed, 42.1 percent, have owned a gun for at least 10 years. Nearly a third of the women surveyed, though, are part of the female gun surge of the past few years, that’s over 32 percent of respondents who bought their first gun since 2010.

Though stereotypes suggest that women gun owners are likely to own but a single firearm, the data suggests otherwise. In fact, 42 percent of the women surveyed own three or more guns with 6.5 percent reportedly owning 10 or more firearms. Just over 30 percent of the respondents did report ownership of a single firearm, but 55 percent of the overall group surveyed plan to purchase another firearm during the next year so that single gun may very well become part of a small collection.
Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/gun-culture/women-gun-owners-nssf-1/#ixzz5MZMX7ttp

Quite a few Harriets in America. I don't own or want to own a gun, I don't question the reasons why others do. To conclude all gun owners are gun nuts looking for the chance to kill someone is pure paranoia. To understand it's better to walk away instead of confronting someone over a petty issue is common sense.
 
911 said:
I tell my kids and Grandkids all the time that it's a dangerous world that we live in. If you know that you are irritating someone for whatever reason, walk away. Don't stand toe to toe with them and try to debate them why you are right. An hour later, it won't matter who's right or wrong anyway. Life will just go on.
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Absolutely! Of course, you can have "he was right" carved into your headstone . . . .
 
I got an extra laugh upon seeing where this happened
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@ Big Horn

I see nothing funny about that story, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.
 

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