Florida legalizes smoking medical marijuana....

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That’s how I feel.
There are many things that are legal that I don’t partake in.
Here in Ontario Canada it’s legal for women to go topless. Not only am I not interested in showing off my girls but I have yet to witness it happening. I’ve never been gambling at a casino. Smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol is legal but I don’t partake in it either. If I did I certainly wouldn’t blame our government for my choices.

The amount of people who are suddenly going to try marijuana for the simple fact that it’s legal is slim to none.
The biggest benefit is that now people who do use have more options for cleaner products that are correctly labelled in strain, potency and price per gram without risking shady products from the black market.

It's legal to go topless? Are there a lot more males in Ontario since the law passed? LOL By the way, Camper, I have two casinos about 6 miles from me and I've only visited one once. I'm just not into gambling and never was.

Okay, I do have a question. When they show pot farms, they always show the workers wearing gloves and hair covers etc, like they do in labs. Why is that? Is that what you mean by "cleaner products"? What can the plants catch from humans? I'm just curious, forgive my ignorance.
 

It's legal to go topless? Are there a lot more males in Ontario since the law passed? LOL By the way, Camper, I have two casinos about 6 miles from me and I've only visited one once. I'm just not into gambling and never was.

Okay, I do have a question. When they show pot farms, they always show the workers wearing gloves and hair covers etc, like they do in labs. Why is that? Is that what you mean by "cleaner products"? What can the plants catch from humans? I'm just curious, forgive my ignorance.

Yes it’s legsl to go topless in Ontario but I haven’t noticed any increase in the male population due to our topless laws. Lol

Thats actually a great question.

The reason why workers wear gloves is because marijuana buds are covered in tricomes ( THC ) which is super sticky. It’s so sticky that your fingers will stick together like glue which has to be scraped off your fingers by a knife. Plus this stuff is so strong the THC will sink into your pores, getting you high. If they didn’t wear gloves then this work would be very messy, difficult and workers would be stoned from trimming.

What I meant by cleaner is that drug dealers, the black market pot dealers are known to be deceitful in their dealings.
Marijuana is very leafy and covered with resins. The drying procedure needs to be just right or the buds will easily become mouldy. Mouldy marijuana can cause many serious health issues.

Since this is expensive and sold be the gram anywhere from $7 / $8 a gram to $25 a gram so some dealers will add crushed glass to add weight or leave stem branches, seeds and other things that add weight so they can get more money for less product.

If a dealer is selling marijuana that isn’t very potent they might add fentanyl or some other drug to make it more potent OR to try and get the nonsuspecting buyer hooked on something stronger. Black market buyers are at the mercy of the integrity of their dealer since marijuana can be cut with many dangerous things.

Most growers will pick indica plants since they flower in the least amount of time ( 6 to 7 weeks) but some people require sativa’s or hybrid strains for their particular symptoms. Some sativa’s need 12 to 13 weeks flowering time so require a lot more time and work to grow. Many won’t grow in our zoning which is why I have a greenhouse.

Some dealers will sell their product wet. Cannabis needs to be dried properly otherwise it’s filled with water and chlorophyll which makes the cannabis heavier (more $ ) and very harsh to use.

Purchasing from the Black Market, you have no idea what you are getting but it’s usually a lot cheaper.
Purchasing from legal growers is usually more expensive but far safer. Right now legal prices for it are outrageous. It will take a few years for this all to balance out so the price difference between the black market and legal cannabis are closer.

The gloves also do protect the product from dirt and sweat from the worker so you don’t get more than you pay for.

In other countries, natives will run through the marijuana plants until their bodies are converted in trichomes in order to be scraped off to make hash. It’s really gross but true.

Heres a close up of one of my plants to show you the sticky trichomes.

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Since legalizing marijuana here in Canada, studies have proven that there is zero difference in driving offences as when marijuana was legal and YES they DO have a test for checking for marijuana impairment.

You haven't given it a long enough time to make comparisons. And there is no roadside test for checking for marijuana impairment like there is for alcohol by blowing into a tube and getting a number.

Why would you want to dumb down Canadians? Marijuana is a recreational drug like alcohol.
 

I agree, the government didn't put a gun to Camper's head and demand that he start gambling. What if they put a cliff near your house, would you go jump off it and blame the government? You have free will.

I guess you don't understand human nature. We are inclined to become addicted. If it's not available you won't try it.

I didn't blame the government. What I said was don't be too thrilled with legalizing marijuana.

Keeripes here in Canada the health risks associated with tobacco are well known. They hide the cigarettes and they print warning messages on cigarette packages. All kinds of people get addicted to it. Now they legalize marijuana. It's stupid.

The U.S. hasn't legalized it yet federally.
 
You haven't given it a long enough time to make comparisons. And there is no roadside test for checking for marijuana impairment like there is for alcohol by blowing into a tube and getting a number.

Why would you want to dumb down Canadians? Marijuana is a recreational drug like alcohol.

You try to debate with me using misinformation , that I refuse to converse with you about this any further.
You are grossly uneducated about this subject. Also I’ve been using for over 40 years and I certainly don’t consider myself dumb. :noway:
 
It's legal to go topless? Are there a lot more males in Ontario since the law passed? LOL By the way, Camper, I have two casinos about 6 miles from me and I've only visited one once. I'm just not into gambling and never was.

Okay, I do have a question. When they show pot farms, they always show the workers wearing gloves and hair covers etc, like they do in labs. Why is that? Is that what you mean by "cleaner products"? What can the plants catch from humans? I'm just curious, forgive my ignorance.

Of course you weren't addicted to gambling. And I'm not addicted to smoking. Tried it once. Hated it. But it's legal.

How about alcohol? Don't we have enough problems without adding one more?
 
You try to debate with me using misinformation , that I refuse to converse with you about this any further.
You are grossly uneducated about this subject. Also I’ve been using for over 40 years and I certainly don’t consider myself dumb. :noway:

That's fine by me. I can see by your posts that you are hopelessly hooked on marijuana as if it's the greatest invention since sliced bread.

It's a drug and it's harmful to the brain. I'm not grossly uneducated about the subject. I have studied it for years. You are the one that is uneducated on the subject that's why you are grossly overly supporting it.

Oh so you weren't addicted but you broke the law to use it?

I haven't seen anyone using marijuana that were high and spoke intelligently.
 
Cigarettes have nothing to do with this conversation.
Casinos have nothing to do with this.

Yes they do. We are talking about legalizing marijuana, therefore there is a comparison to be made if you want to talk about addiction. At one time gambling was illegal. Tobacco has always been with us and the harmful effects on health are completely obvious. The social problems caused by addiction of all kinds are astounding except for those in denial.
 
The amount of people who are suddenly going to try marijuana for the simple fact that it’s legal is slim to none.

That's nonsense. They are lining up to buy it now. You are kidding yourself if you think it's only previous users.


 
Keesha, THANKS! I had no idea about all that is involved. I just thought you grow a few plants, dry them, then put in a piece of paper and then roll into a joint. LOL I always wonder how our ancestors got to learn about all these plants and what to do with them. EX. like making wine and medicinal uses etc.
 
It really is fascinating to learn about holistic medicine of all kinds. Most conventional medicine is made from plants but since plants themselves can’t be patented, chemists found a way to isolate the compounds they need and change its molecular structure so it’s more stable and patentable.


-74% come from plants
-18% from fungi
-5% from bacteria
-3% from vertebrae species


10 prescription drugs made from cannabis.


https://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000883


Conventional medicine is actually a very NEW invention in the bigger picture.
The first recorded use of medicine was created on clay tablets and was over 5,000 years ago by the Sumerian’s.
Ancient Egyptians wrote the Ebers Papyrus which listed over 850 herbal medicines many of which are still used today.


What I find hugely amusing is the amount of people who have no belief in ancient wisdom passed down by our ancestors that’s been proven successful for over 5,000 years yet if any of these known remedies are mentioned, somebody throws in the ‘snake oil’ criticism like modern doctors are the only intelligent educated people who know what they are doing.


You’re welcome PVC!
 
Making it legal means you can do it without worrying about being a criminal.

I made the choice? I couldn't have made the choice if it wasn't available.

That's like saying I couldn't have made the choice to throw a rock through a window if it wasn't available.

Take responsibility for yourself. Don't blame your government for allowing something you personally have trouble with.

I guess you don't understand human nature. We are inclined to become addicted. If it's not available you won't try it.

Adults are expected to make informed choices themselves.

I guess you don't understand human nature either. Since you KNOW we are "inclined to become addicted",,, why did you go to the casino in the first place? Don't you understand human nature?

I have no more to say on this view of yours. You may have the last word and I'm good with agreeing to disagree.
 
That's like saying I couldn't have made the choice to throw a rock through a window if it wasn't available.

Take responsibility for yourself. Don't blame your government for allowing something you personally have trouble with.



Adults are expected to make informed choices themselves.

I guess you don't understand human nature either. Since you KNOW we are "inclined to become addicted",,, why did you go to the casino in the first place? Don't you understand human nature?

I have no more to say on this view of yours. You may have the last word and I'm good with agreeing to disagree.

Those are lofty ideals you quote for humans but that's why the medical system is overloaded and the jails are full.
 
I have no strong feelings about marijuana, medicinal or otherwise. I've never used it and probably never will, although I suppose it does exist as a medical possibility if needed.

But I have to wonder, if this particular plant hadn't achieved its symbolic status and its cachet during the 60's, would it even be a subject of interest, any more than any other drug? There are thousands of drugs out there, many of them addictive, many of them useful against diseases if they don't fall into the wrong hands, etc. Yet only this one seems to arouse such angry arguments, usually along political lines.

Do we hear people arguing about oxycontin, or Eliquis? What about the medical use of morphine? And what about all those holistic drugs? Have most of us even heard of them? No, it's always this one. Howcum?

And yes, many of the arguments for and against its use do also apply to alcohol.
 
I have no strong feelings about marijuana, medicinal or otherwise. I've never used it and probably never will, although I suppose it does exist as a medical possibility if needed.

But I have to wonder, if this particular plant hadn't achieved its symbolic status and its cachet during the 60's, would it even be a subject of interest, any more than any other drug? There are thousands of drugs out there, many of them addictive, many of them useful against diseases if they don't fall into the wrong hands, etc. Yet only this one seems to arouse such angry arguments, usually along political lines.

Do we hear people arguing about oxycontin, or Eliquis? What about the medical use of morphine? And what about all those holistic drugs? Have most of us even heard of them? No, it's always this one. Howcum?

And yes, many of the arguments for and against its use do also apply to alcohol.

I only tried it once and it freaked me out but I am interested in the medical for pain relief..without the high.

I do know though that if I ever get a terminal diagnosis I’ll be using everything that I can get my hands on so I don’t have to face reality or pain in my dying days.
 
I have no strong feelings about marijuana, medicinal or otherwise. I've never used it and probably never will, although I suppose it does exist as a medical possibility if needed.

But I have to wonder, if this particular plant hadn't achieved its symbolic status and its cachet during the 60's, would it even be a subject of interest, any more than any other drug? There are thousands of drugs out there, many of them addictive, many of them useful against diseases if they don't fall into the wrong hands, etc. Yet only this one seems to arouse such angry arguments, usually along political lines.

Do we hear people arguing about oxycontin, or Eliquis? What about the medical use of morphine? And what about all those holistic drugs? Have most of us even heard of them? No, it's always this one. Howcum?

And yes, many of the arguments for and against its use do also apply to alcohol.

I agree with your thoughts. If it hadn't been for the 'naughty" side of marijuana, it WOULD most likely slide into line with all of the other medicinal drugs that have come along to help people with various illnesses.

It always interests me to hear that many folks who speak so harshly about "grass" and the problems that arise from it's use, think nothing of swilling down a 6 pack at the family get together or can't go a night without the glass or two of wine with the evening meal. Even being aware of the horrendous problems caused by alcohol use down through the years. Still, they can't make the allowance for people who use marijuana for medical problems or even for recreational use, as they do with alcohol, only focusing on the potential for addiction. Makes one wonder?
 
Take responsibility for yourself. Don't blame your government for allowing something you personally have trouble with.

Adults are expected to make informed choices themselves.

I completely agree Rose. We should take responsibility for our own actions and not depend on the government to take everything away from us to 'protect' us, like putting paint thinner on the top shelf so the toddler who can't make his own reasonable decisions doesn't drink it. The weakest of people can usually get help in overcoming their addictions no matter what they may be, the rest of the population can enjoy everything in moderation with no issues.
 
Why are the police chiefs against it? Are doctors for it for recreational use? Would you give it to your kids? Would you like your kids to grow up without using it?

Is it harmful in any way to your health. If you smoke it is it good for you?

Marijuana has a criminal element to it. Black market sellers try to get kids hooked and they do.

It affects the brain. Same as alcohol.

This purporting to claim it's the be all and end all to all the problems is amusing.

When I was only twelve years old I told my baseball team that they should quit smoking if they want to be good ball players.

At the time doctors were promoting advertisements touting it's qualities.

Will we never learn?
 
That's fine by me. I can see by your posts that you are hopelessly hooked on marijuana as if it's the greatest invention since sliced bread.

It's a drug and it's harmful to the brain. I'm not grossly uneducated about the subject. I have studied it for years. You are the one that is uneducated on the subject that's why you are grossly overly supporting it.

Oh so you weren't addicted but you broke the law to use it?

I haven't seen anyone using marijuana that were high and spoke intelligently.

How can you tell by my posts that I am hopelessly hooked on it? Never have I encouraged anyone to do marijuana. If you see any such posts of mine then please point them out .

I find your next statement that I’m uneducated on the subject grossly ridiculous altogether.
Yes I FULLY support the use of marijuana to responsible adults.

Where have I ever said that I wasn’t addicted to it? Nowhere have I ever stated that. There have been times when I have been addicted to it.

Yes I most certainly DO fully support the use of it with ....... wait for it...... RESPONIBLE ADULTS!

From your posts you have already proven that you aren’t responsible. In over 45 year of use I’ve never once been in trouble with the law. I’ve been licensed to use and grow for years. Both of my doctors ( only had two since 2001 ) support the idea of my use. My prescription isn’t a large one but if I wanted a larger prescription, I could certainly get one. I’ve also been licensed to grow for others and never once had any problems.

Not that it is anybody’s business but you’d be surprised at how little cannabis I actually use.
In the morning with some herbal tea I will use a fraction of a gram. It is enough to settle my nerves. Then I go about my day.
Later on in the day after a meal I might add some coconut oil that’s infused with the medicine to my evening tea but I make sure I’m not going to drive or I have a gingersnap or two. It’s a nice mellow high and I most certainly speak intelligently.

Most people that try it for the first time , do so irresponsibly, including myself. I later educated myself about the subject while getting a degree in this field so that I ‘could’ actually medicate myself RESPONSIBLY for all my symptoms and disorders which are many. It’s the only prescription I’m on and even with it being legal in Canada I will continue to be a licensed grower.

Once again though,..... I will forgive your ignorance and rudeness towards me.

You have yourself a wonderful day there Camper :hatlaugh:
 
Does anybody here know if it's true that it is not addictive, I fear that the most? I have some lower back pain and don't know if it's arthritis, so would not mind trying a few drops of the CBD that I bought for my elderly cat if it's not addictive.

I think a lot depends on the strain , the amount and how it’s used.
You can get low THC strains that are helpful for physical pain. Then you can get high percentage THC and if you used the latter often then YES there definitely IS an addictive factor.

If you smoke it everyday you have a bigger chance of getting addicted to not only the THC but the very habit of smoking.
If you use a vape and use a bit at a time then there isn’t the same concern. Also it depends how much you are using.
Digesting cannabis takes about far longer to reach the nervous system but also lasts much longer so can be dangerous if you plan on driving. I make canna butter and canna oil and if I take too much in ‘this’ form then I can become too impaired to drive so I don’t.

There really isn’t a definite answer. It’s something you have to experience yourself in order to understand it.

My husband of almost 30 years isn’t a user. He’s tried it in the past and didn’t like it. He’s tried it with me and just can’t handle it. One time he tried 1/2 a canna cookie I made. When he didn’t feel anything within 30 minutes he took the other half. Big mistake. He had to lie down and couldn’t move for about 5 hours . He got all super paranoid and just couldn’t handle it :lofl:
Recently I’ve custom made cookies just for him to help him sleep and they work perfectly. He works shiftwork and wasn’t sleeping well so was resorting to Benadryl which would give him a drugged induced hangover which he hates. My canna cookies don’t do that.

Some people with certain mental disorders should NOT take certain sativa strains as it could make their symptoms worse.
Most Indica strains don’t give the same effect.

People should do as much research as possible before attempting to experiment.
Vaping is another consideration. Now you can get flavoured vape glycerines that taste amazing with THC in them that are used in vapes. These are super expensive though. This type of stuff I only indulge in on special occasions since it’s so tasty.


So yes cannnabis can have an addictive quality to it. It depends how it’s used.

A refresher about the addictive factor which I wrote about.
 
can't go a night without the glass or two of wine with the evening meal

I drink about 8oz of red wine most every night with my main meal. I was born in Italy and even as a toddler my mother would give me little sips of red wine, Italians consider wine healthy. In fact, though, as to the total alcohol consumption, the US ranks 48 in total alcohol consumption and Italy ranks 87. The ''drunkest'' countries are in east Europe, Belarus is the top one.

I drink wine with my meal because they claim that red wine keeps the arteries healthier. It could be just PR to help the wine industry, but I have read that the majority of centenarians have a small glass of alcohol at night, most drink spirits or red wine. Most things are okay as long as done in moderation, alcohol is one of those things. And even sex! I never approved of pot because I thought it was addictive and they always show them acting goofy. But, I now in my old age have constant lower back pain and the day will come when I will start using CBD oil (not the other kind, THC?), so far I'm just doing stretches when the pain gets unbearable and it helps a little. I hate taking ANY kind of medicine and at 76 do not take any, except for rare ear infections every few years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
 
Kesha you are overly sensitive and I don't need your forgiveness.

I have done nothing wrong.

Im opposed to legalizing marijuana in Canada for recreational purposes.

We have enough problems with alcohol and street drugs. It's an epidemic sucking up police and medical resources.

Medicinal by prescription has been available.

So it's not like we are holding back from treating pain.
 

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