Football Season

Hi to Jerry!

And also, hello, to anyone else, checking in here.
I wonder where Bonnie is.

Thanks, OldD. I am hanging in here, and just getting a little distraction from seeing which game plays they run.

Having Garoppolo throw more, this game, has had the same as usual result. He's always been inconsistent, and doesn't consistently or reliably protect the ball. His turnover was avoidable, and nearly led to opponent TD.

He can sometimes make a great throw, but puts a lot of pressure on his own team's able defense.

Kelce (#87) and Mahomes, do so well, and both keep their cool, it seems to me.

Tied at Half time.
I don't think I'll still be up watching, when the winner is decided, which is okay with me.
 

hurry Iggles (Eagles) need some one to root for them, there only down 107 points
(a slap at cowboys arch foe)

Super Bowl
Napped when it was 7-3
returned with it with 3 minutes, Chief's running back scored, icing the game.

Ho hum, I hope it lifted KC and SF fans. Mahomes , even when he is off, is a presence on field for the KC players.
 
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The Chiefs have played some very exciting "come from behind" games this year, and this Super Bowl was yet another excellent late game rebound. If he stays healthy, Mahomes has the potential to become one of the all time greats. The Chiefs defense was the weak point at the start of the season, but they have gelled together nicely. Most here are really glad to see Andy Reid finally win a Super Bowl, as he is an excellent coach, and Mahomes has brought some real excitement and fan support to the people of Kansas City.
I imagine there were a lot of people in Kansas City who showed up for work this morning a bit on the sleepy side, as the parties lingered well into the early morning hours.
 
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Napped a lot longer than I intended, saw game when it was 7-3, then the last three
minutes. Now I know who won with the hours watching.

We've lost some posters, Super Bowl must not have been to their liking.

(score was cowboys 3, pat 7, I'll unable to stick with that score. Will change it to
'boys 27, pats 24, don't know why they won't let the teams I like play.)

So, that's it till next year.

Any baseball fans here?
 
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It probably is not possible,
but I wish there was a way to have separate baseball threads, one for when posters want to discuss cheating scandals, money profits and salaries and such, etc,

and a different one, for just chatting about teams or games, the lighter stuff.....

Like I said, maybe not possible....
 
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I think ghost post is superior to delete #789, what, their are ghost post?

I will start a thread on baseball, the Houston Astros 'cheated.' by stealing signs from their opponent.
I've played ball, (Had a curve ball no one could hit, no fastball, sure couldn't hit.)
in the early years, stealing signs is not important.
If you get into class D baseball or organized baseball-stealing signs is and has always been an integral part of the game.
Yes, the Astros, with their own camera in centerfield pushed the envelope; however,
it is part of the game.
 
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Loved watching the game! Came home from a six day driving trip through the Wine Country (Napa AND Sonoma) and was just in time to unpack the car, toss the dirty laundry into the sorting bag, and settle in with the remote.

Of course, we spent the next two days exhausted and took long naps in the afternoon, so behind on all my usual emails and discussion forums, including this one, LOL.

Mahomes is a singular talent and barring injury, will become one of the best QBs of all time. I have never seen anyone quite like him save for Michael Vick, and I think he's several levels better than Vick.

That said, the Niners did extraordinarily well in 2019. The Chiefs have been division winners or runners-up for years, but the Niners only recently emerged from 25 yrs of Purgatory known as ownership by the York family, who seemed determined to emulate Jerry Jones (groan!) until finally, in 2017, stepping back to hire REAL football management.

I wrote this for Quora.com last night, in response to a question of "how do 49er fans feel about the Chiefs' Super Bowl win?"

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It was a good game, and I’m honestly happy for KC’s HC Andy Reid. KC deserved to win, not because Mahomes was better than Garoppolo (although PM is; and he’s better than Brady as well).

The Chiefs deserved to win because Reid flat out-coached Shanahan. Period. Shanahan blew Super Bowl LI and he remains psyched-out about it. His game strategy for SB LIV was defensive, timid, and ridiculously conservative.

Compare it to the game plan he drew up for the game vs the Saints/Drew Brees on Dec. 8th, 2019. The Niners came out firing and won 48–46.

In that Saints game, Jimmy G. completed 26/35 passes for 349 yds and FOUR TDs. Emmanuel Sanders had a 75-yrd TD run as well as continuing a perfect passer rating: he threw for only the second time in his career after taking a lob on the reverse, then hit RB Raheem Mostert down the right side for a 35-yard TD without a defender in sight.

''We knew we were going to have to do some things like that because it's a very, very sound defense,'' 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said (after the Saints game). ''We knew we had to take some risks.''

Did you see any risk-taking from Shanahan on Sunday 2/02? Any trick plays? Something that showed a take-charge attitude, a solid belief that his players could go toe-to-toe with KC’s players and come out ahead?

Yeah, I didn’t either.

What I saw was a coach who started off with a terrible series of playcalling, and was relieved to have a tie at half-time. It showed no belief in his team to score against a lesser defense. It showed a belief that the burden was all on the Niners D to hold Mahomes down….which is not going to work, because the secondary is still the weakest part of the Niners ongoing rebuild.

I watched the last three NFL championships played. I’ve watched every Super Bowl since SB I. You don’t win SBs by playing scared.

Let’s not forget that absolutely no one thought the Niners would get this far, this fast. There is good reason for Niners GM John Lynch to have won Executive of the Year 2019:

Chiefs 2017: 10-6 (first place in division)
Niners 2017: 6-10 (last place in division)

Chiefs 2018: 12-4 (first place in division)
Niners 2018: 4-12 (third place in division; the AZ Cardinals only won 3 games!)

The team and the fans were shooting to be a contender by 2021. Previous mismanagement had left the Niners in shambles, with a team so bad fans were begging the owners to sell to somebody, anybody else.

Only five players from 2016 remained with the Niners when the 2019 season started.

KC absolutely deserved to win SB LIV. They kept with what they do best and wore a great defense down, because the Niners’ offensive playcalling was pedestrian and uninspired.

The team that makes the most mistakes - and that includes coaches as well as players - will usually lose. Despite the final loss, the Niners as a team out-performed and over-achieved in 2019, and gave us fans a team we are very proud of.

It’s a tremendous turnaround from the two (2!!) wins in 2016 under HC Tomsula and GM Baalke! (Yes, it’s been a very long, painful drought for Niners fans, who have great sympathy for Cleveland Browns and NY Jets fans)
 
Great to see you back with us, @Lethe200 !

And excellent post, too.
I've enjoyed reading much of it, and will return to read the rest.
Many very good points in it!

Welcome "home" :)
 
If Brady had a running back and two receivers he would give mahones all he could cope with.
If Brady was 35 y/o - no contest.
Us wait a bit before we crown Mahomes all world.

Jerry Jones crowed Dak Prescot all world after his fabulous rookie season, which he deserved. My opinion for his last three years is Prescott belongs put him in the middle of the pack

Sf will run their conference for the next five years, waiting to see Settle's conter measures

Brady and BB should ride off into sunset with their reputations intact, they have nothing to gain by playing it out to the end,.
 
Now, now - I didn't claim Mahomes was guaranteed to be all world, LOL. But if he stays injury-free, his field of vision and quick physical reactions are, to put it simply, exceptional. Even in his rookie year he showed a remarkable awareness of where his receivers are supposed to be.

I appreciate Brady, but to me it's the same as it was with Joe Montana. It's the coach that makes the system, and a smart coach makes his system work with the players he has, while ensuring the overall team's success. I have watched too many gifted, intelligent, potentially great QBs ruined by dinosaur coaches with no ability to think outside the box, aided by short-sighted front office mgmt that refused to put quality talent around the rookie QB to protect and assist him*.

* Are you listening, Indianapolis and North Carolina? Hello??

There is no better example than Steve Young. He was tremendously talented, the Cam Newton of his time; but was almost ruined by the Tampa Bay organization surrounding him with mediocrity. He was considered washed up and a failure by his third year in the NFL.

Bill Walsh traded for him and spent three years on teaching him to trust the Niners system (meaning: stop making bad field decisions) and work on the fundamentals. Young would never have won a Super Bowl and made the Hall of Fame without Walsh's system.

Brady is very good, but the best QB in the world means nothing without the right coach.

Mahomes is with the right team and the right coach to succeed. There are not many NFL coaches who would be willing to toss away their previous playbook and install a new system, even though it's what the rookie QB is best at. Most coaches would say, "Well.....we just don't run that Air Raid system in the NFL, you know," and that would be the end of it.

That doesn't mean the Chiefs are going to be the next "dynasty". Free agency makes it too expensive to keep a winning team 100% intact these days. Parity keeps life interesting, although it raises heck with fans' blood pressure readings!
 
Mahomes is all world QB, at least until the next world beater comes alone.

Lethe2oo's topic is one I've wondered about:

Atlanta's coach Jerry Glenville did not want to draft Brett Favre. Favre first starts were
full of interceptions, Favre was benched, languished for 3 years.
"We did not see eye to eye,' said Favre.

Favre was traded to Green Bay where Mike Holmgren worked and worked with Favre, he finally became a extremely good QB, but still had eposides of "I'm gonna chunk the ball.' regardless of the coaches desire to run the ball.

Terry Bradshaw and Chuck Noll, same way, never understood each other.
Bradshaw languished for five years before he became the starter.

The coach and QB have to have a symbiotic relationship as in Brady and BB.

I've wonder about Matthew Stafford and the Detroit Lions, Stafford has all the tool
and smarts-a poor supporting cast, I wonder why they won't draft players that fit
his brand of needs.

It is easy to spot Qb and coach that mesh, they win games. It's not easy to spot those
at loggerheads. I wonder, is it a question of the QB not agreeing with coach, or coaches stuck with, "I know what wins games and that's how were going to play."

I would say it is more of personalities that clash, where neither can agree with the other. Firing the coach is not going to change the situation unless you get a coach
that knows the personality and culture that the QB came from.

Bill Walsh did not care about the traits a QB had, he could mold them into what he though a QB should be and do.

Yes, Lethe 200 right as always
 
As we write the 2019 NFL season as "closed", this was in today's newspaper and I thought it was an interesting read. We will see what happens by the time Opening Day, September 10, 2020, comes around:

QB Shuffle: Derek Carr, Tom Brady aren’t going anywhere, but others will be
Expect Derek Carr to stay with Raiders, Tom Brady with Patriots, but lots of other QBs could be on the move soon
(San Francisco) Bay Area News Group: February 12, 2020

Derek Carr
Publicly and privately, Carr believes he’s headed to Las Vegas. My stance on this hasn’t wavered. When you sort through all the options, putting a better team around Carr would happen quicker than starting over with new quarterback, whether it be a veteran or a rookie. That’s not to say Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock won’t consider other options, but the feeling here is they’ll wind up in the same place.

Carr has never played on team with a good defense. Even in 2016, the Raiders leaked like sieve en route to 12-4 but thrived with a plus-16 turnover margin that had an element of randomness to it. The whole balance and relatively safe passing game can work when you’ve got a defense. Carr hasn’t had that yet.

HC Jon Gruden and GM Mayock do love draft picks however, especially after last year, and you have to allow for a team overwhelming the Raiders with an offer for Carr. It would be hard for a portion of the Raiders fan base to believe, but Carr would be a commodity given a contract that’s fairly reasonable by current standards.

Team to watch: Indianapolis. Would be a clear upgrade over Jacoby Brissett as Colts embark on second year of life without Andrew Luck.

Tom Brady
So Brady takes less all these years to help the Patriots with their salary cap and now he wants $30 million or more in free agency when his skills are finally in decline? The thought of the Raiders or anyone else putting out that kind of money for a 42-year-old quarterback who has played for one team and been entrenched in a system of football for his entire professional life would be a huge roll of the dice.

The likely scenario is he takes a look around and stays with Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels. Although the tampering period for free agency begins March 16, a key date is March 8. On that day the Patriots take a $13.5 million salary cap charge for the acceleration of his previous signing bonus. If he’s not a Patriot by then, the chances of him leaving increase.

Team to watch: L.A. Chargers. Yes, they’d be trading one old quarterback for another, but this one throws a lot fewer interceptions and is one year removed from the playoffs.

Potential unrestricted free agents

Drew Brees
Similar to Brady in that Brees is near the end of the line and has built a Hall of Fame career under a system of football created by Sean Payton in New Orleans. I suppose he could move on from that system like Joe Montana did going from the 49ers to the Chiefs, but that’s not the way to bet. More likely, the unrestricted free agent finishes his career with the Saints. He even said as much on Jan. 24: “I’ll always be a Saint.”

Team to watch: L.A. Chargers (see above). Plus, Brees would be returning to the franchise where he started his career.

Dak Prescott
All indications are the Cowboys are going to use the franchise tag if necessary and have no intention of allowing Prescott out the door as an unrestricted free agent. But Jerry Jones will have to swallow hard to pay Prescott a salary commensurate with the Russell Wilson-Aaron Rodgers realm. Prescott has always had a great line and a feature back in Ezekiel Elliott and there’s no guarantee he’d as good somewhere else.

Team to watch: Chicago. The Bears have to realize by now Mitchell Trubisky was a huge mistake.

Ryan Tannehill
Another case where it’s tough to determine if Tannehill suddenly came into his own as an upper level quarterback with help from a terrific running game and a solid system or if it was all a mirage. Maybe he was simply stuck in a bad situation in Miami. Will be tempting for Titans to use the franchise tag and pay more than $27 million to see if the jump in scoring from 16.3 to 30.4 after Tannehill took over was something sustainable.

Team to watch: Raiders. Not sure what impressed Gruden more, the 391 yards passing or the open field tackle on Maurice Hurst after a deflected interception at the Coliseum.

Philip Rivers
The Chargers gave Rivers little help in terms of pass blocking. But while Rivers has always thrown a lot of 50-50 balls, last season he seemed willing to go 40-60 or 30-70 with the defense having as much as an opportunity as the offense. Still, Rivers’ competitive fire could be useful to a team looking for a bridge quarterback. He and the Chargers have already said their goodbyes.

Team to watch: Tampa Bay. Rivers has already moved from California to Florida and he’d still probably throw fewer interceptions than Jameis Winston.

Jameis Winston
Winston had never thrown for 30 touchdown passes and had 33 for Tampa Bay in 2019. He’d never had more than 18 interceptions but threw 30, to go along with 5,109 yards passing. He also lost five fumbles, turning it over 35 times in 16 games. Exactly where that leaves Winston with Bruce Arians is uncertain.

Team to watch: Denver. The Broncos haven’t gotten it right since Peyton Manning retired. No reason to think they will this time either.

Teddy Bridgewater
Performed well while Brees was injured for Saints, completing 67.9 percent of his passes in nine games with five starts and nine touchdown passes and two interceptions. But his arm strength has always been suspect and he’s not all that mobile after nearly losing his career early on to a torn ACL and dislocated knee. A rarity in that he’s a backup that could operate effectively for a good team in the postseason. Wise move would be to stay where he is.

Team to watch: New England. If Brady leaves, Bridgewater’s a stop-gap who can win.

Marcus Mariota
The Titans took off under Tannehill after Mariota was sent to the bench, and he’ll likely be seeking a backup job somewhere. Has never showed he could be a be a winner on the strength of his passing skill.

Team to watch: Pittsburgh. Insurance in case Ben Roethlisberger is slow to recover from elbow surgery.

Under contract

Andy Dalton
Has a year left on his contract and it’s conceivable he could be kept around for that year assuming Cincinnati drafts Joe Burrow No. 1 in the draft. Cincinnati could even give Burrow the Carson Palmer treatment, sitting him a year before putting him on the field. If not, could be the best of the bridge quarterbacks available for teams awaiting their next quarterback of the future.

Team to watch: Miami. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the projected starter and usually ends up back on the bench.

Cam Newton
In the final year of his contract with an $18.6 million salary and health concerns after shoulder surgery. Has taken a beating over the course of his career. His run-pass days could be limited and who knows if he can carry a team with his arm after the injury?

Team to watch: Washington. Was an MVP under Ron Rivera in Washington and Dwayne Haskins will be starting all over after his rookie year learning a new offense.

Not going anywhere
Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs), Lamar Jackson (Ravens), Russell Wilson (Seahawks), Aaron Rodgers (Packers), Deshaun Watson (Texans), Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers), Matt Ryan (Falcons), Kyler Murray (Cardinals), Ben Roethlisberger (Steelers), Carson Wentz (Eagles), Jared Goff (Rams), Baker Mayfield (Browns), Matthew Stafford (Lions), Kirk Cousins (Vikings), Sam Darnold (Jets), Josh Allen (Bills), Daniel Jones (Giants), Dwayne Haskins (Washington)
 
Dallas-I've never been sold of Dak Prescott, he is in top 10 of QB's. but he is not a world beater likd Mahomes, Brady, Wilson, Breez or this Houston QB.

Handing off the ball to Zak is the cowboy's game plan. Zak has taken a
beating for four years, he's lost a half-step or a step. You can't be knocked around like Zak Elliott and not pay a price, unless your a Jim Brown of Campbell.

Waiting to see what new coach does. He's got the horses, can he get a peak performance out of them?

Us talk about commercials, that is where the big bucks are, during their
playing career and afterwards. Joe Montana in his KC uniform pushing
a product was somewhat peculiar.
Brady hawking a product, in another uniform rather than the Pats, would also appear peculiar. Breez-same, Breez has labored in obscurity at New
Orleans for years, the press ignores the Saints.

These 'big name' guys have agents to guide them. the agents become more important as the 'big name' players near the end of their career.

I always like the Bengals, like Andy Dalton, the Bengals have to take Joe
Burrow's, play him or get two #1 draft picks for him.

The Bears should win their division, don't know what they will do in playoffs (they have to play that rascal Aaron Rogers twice, which is a problem.))

Gruden and CArr. what's the deal, Gruden is supposed to be a good coach, why can't he get a supporting cast for Carr?

Come on Cleveland, Bengals, give Steelers a run for their money.

Lethe 200 does post items that make you ponder.
 
This high dollar QB's are getting all the money, which leaves a shrinking
pot for the other players.
Cowboys main man is zek, not dak. he carries the team, but dak will get more of the money
Lethe: Just how good michial vick could have been will always be a question- he and he alone could be put with a logger head team and take it to playoffsl

Mahomes: can throw a ball like nobody else-sidearm, 3/4 arm, and underhand if necessary
Next years superbowl runs through SF and kc however, don't count out
Ravesn, (dare I say cowboys0

Kaila:🤾‍♀️
was on site with pictures and measurements of the size Zonks hands, there either 11 and 1/4 or 11 and 1/2, each- so when he stuck up his hands for passes-that is two feet of hands to snag a pass. It would be like carrying a plastic laundry basket to catch the ball.

ARE WE GOING TO POST xfl FOOTBALL POST ON THIS TREAD?
 

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