For those vaccinated for covid 19, a question.

MarciKS said:
Those are possible outcomes. Not for sure outcomes or we'd all be dead.
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All vaccines can cause adverse events, some severe, some fatal. All of them can. So I don't understand why Buckeye is having such a hard time believing the covid vaccine is any different in that regard.

Deaths caused by the covid vaccine are rare, fortunately, just like all vaccines. For example, out of millions of people in the UK who got the covid vaccine, the number who died was either 6,000-and-something or 12,000-and-something....I don't remember because they showed vaccine deaths from the whole UK, and only Britain, and only Australia all in the same study.

Lets say it's 12,800 covid vaccine deaths just in Britain. That's a lot of deaths, but out of, let's say 12 million-and 800-thousand vaccinated, it's a small percentage.

The researchers pointed out there's no question some deaths went unreported and some countries didn't even keep a record of adverse events, so the study labelled it "incomplete data" and said that in the countries that reported, the actual number could be double. But even so, it's still a small percentage. Alarming for sure, but not beyond belief.
 
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VaughanJB said:
Hate? I mean, real hate? In every election around 40% of the people "lose". They get the government they didn't want. But the democratic process - which has elected every President - is the process that has brought both the good and bad times. But some people seem to think the process is only a-okay if their candidate won. And hate? I mean, say what you want, but the process itself is a celebration of all that's good in the nation.

Which is why I think attacks on these institutions and processes is very dangerous. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water. But the insidious nature of the attacks, on the very fabric of the nation, does nothing by tear the country apart. And it's not just governmental, look at all the institutions that are on the hate list these days........
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I don't hate my government because my candidate lost. The opposite. Be careful what you wish for. You may get it. I will be happier never to vote again and to remain apolitical.
 

Vaccine today... the Pneumonia Vaccine.. first one I've had. I'm not someone who runs towards vaccines in life.. but I've had Pneumonia twice in my life.. and really ill with it on those occasions ..and then got a milder version earlier this year again... so it was definitely time for me to take steps in the hope of lessening my chances of getting it again...

Apparently side effects should only be a chance of a headache , and pain at the source of the injection site.. none of which I've had right up to now at almost 10pm on the same day ..
 
I had pneumonia years ago when I was about 20. I took the first vaccine and then years later took the second vaccine. I think I am well protected now. I’m one who gets reactions to vaccines, but with these 2, I had no reactions. Lucky me.

I’m now considering doing the Shingles vaccines. My pharmacist, who is also my friend, tells me to go for it. He said very few people have complained of any reactions.
 
I think Shingles was the vaccine that required 2 doses. I don't recall any reaction.

I had TDAP as well, and don't recall any reaction.

I seem to remember a 3rd one as well though I'd have to check my records.
 
Murrmurr said:
All vaccines can cause adverse events, some severe, some fatal. All of them can. So I don't understand why Buckeye is having such a hard time believing the covid vaccine is any different in that regard.

Deaths caused by the covid vaccine are rare, fortunately, just like all vaccines. For example, out of millions of people in the UK who got the covid vaccine, the number who died was either 6,000-and-something or 12,000-and-something....I don't remember because they showed vaccine deaths from the whole UK, and only Britain, and only Australia all in the same study.

Lets say it's 12,800 covid vaccine deaths just in Britain. That's a lot of deaths, but out of, let's say 12 million-and 800-thousand vaccinated, it's a small percentage.

The researchers pointed out there's no question some deaths went unreported and some countries didn't even keep a record of adverse events, so the study labelled it "incomplete data" and said that in the countries that reported, the actual number could be double. But even so, it's still a small percentage. Alarming for sure, but not beyond belief.
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Sorry, but I have asked you multiple times to provide scientific evidence of your claims, and you won't because you can't.

Here's what CDC, who use actual data, had to say:
CDC Data

And as for your claim that 12,800 deaths in Britain were caused by the vaxx, here's the real numbers:
UK Data

And here's a link to an AP report about data being misused/misrepresented by anti-vaxxers. Per this report from last April, CDC has linked 9 deaths to the vaccine. 9. Nine.
Debunking Claims

These are not lectures or youtube videos so they may not be to your liking, since they are factual.

But I'll let you have the last word. I know you need that sort of thing.
 
Buckeye said:
Sorry, but I have asked you multiple times to provide scientific evidence of your claims, and you won't because you can't.

Here's what CDC, who use actual data, had to say:
CDC Data

And as for your claim that 12,800 deaths in Britain were caused by the vaxx, here's the real numbers:
UK Data

And here's a link to an AP report about data being misused/misrepresented by anti-vaxxers. Per this report from last April, CDC has linked 9 deaths to the vaccine. 9. Nine.
Debunking Claims

These are not lectures or youtube videos so they may not be to your liking, since they are factual.

But I'll let you have the last word. I know you need that sort of thing.
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You are exhausting.

I provided links where you can view the lectures that go over the studies and data regarding covid19 vaccine deaths thoroughly and the names of some of the science and medical journals that published the studies and the names of a couple of the universities that conducted the studies.

I'm not going to help you any further than that. Like I said, I would have to sit through hours of lectures for days, and SORRY, I'm not going to do that for you. You didn't even check out anything I linked or listed.

Don't believe me, it's really ok and it's no skin off my nose, but it'd be great if you'd stop replying to my comments just to tell me I'm lying.

You're too lazy to click on a link; I'm a liar ....check. No problem.
 
I've had the Vaccine and 2 boosters. Early this year I got a very mild dose of Covid and had to be in quarantine for a week. My eldest sister refused to have and vaccines, because she said it was unnatural, not enough information. She is 83 and got a good dose of Covid and is still not well. I didn't like to say "I told you can still get it. She has been very quiet ever since, and still complains she is not feeling well. Another dear friend was fully vaccinated and had to be rushed to hospital because he couldn't breathe, was placed in Intensive Care for 3 weeks but succumbed to the dreaded virus.
 
chic said:
What made you decide to get vaccinated with the covid 19 vaccine? No one knew much about it even in 2021 the year of rollout.

Was it for a health issue? Did you have a job that required vaccination? Would you have been prohibited from travel ? Would you have had to separate from people/groups that you liked? Other? Please share.

Have you received booster shots? How many boosters have you received? How many more will you take?

Are you in any way surprised the unvaccinated are still alive?

Thanks for your participation.
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pencils down....hha
 
I didn’t stop to fret, worry, wonder, nor was I seized by irrational fear. I got in line, got the shot, and every booster since. Did get Covid twice, but it was mild, no worse than a trivial head cold. No hospital, just lots of nose blowing, and gone. I am amazed that anyone would be foolish enough to hesitate. I trust my doctor and the government, as everyone should.
 
gruntlabor said:
You cast too wide a net in a free country.
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I certainly do not believe in or support required or forced vaccination, but I do believe that those who decline legitimate doctor supported vaccinations is making a serious mistake, but skip them if you wish. BTW is fear of needles a good excuse for skipping?

Here is another interesting vaccination issue …
“A growing body of evidence, buttressed by a new report out last month, shows that people who are vaccinated have a significantly lower risk of Alzheimer’s disease.”
Vaccines Show Surprising Link To Reduced Risk Of Alzheimer’s
 
gruntlabor said:
In today's world I don't believe anyone with a vested interest in covid vaccinations --including government, big pharma, NGO's, etc.
**There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. --Disraeli**
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Believe who and what you wish. Sorry, but your opinion is of no importance to me. If vaccines are available I will rely on the advice of my doctor, and the organization of which he is a member and I am a subscriber.
 
ElCastor said:
I didn’t stop to fret, worry, wonder, nor was I seized by irrational fear. I got in line, got the shot, and every booster since. Did get Covid twice, but it was mild, no worse than a trivial head cold. No hospital, just lots of nose blowing, and gone. I am amazed that anyone would be foolish enough to hesitate. I trust my doctor and the government, as everyone should.
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The Vaccines get continual improvement with testing and knowledge. If one is in reasonable good health I wouldn't
worry. If one has tons of stuff bad with him, his immune system is mostly likely overloaded as it is. How can it build
Up your resistance when it is basically no existent to start now. Take your risks as you see them I would guess. If
you're a car wreck what's the best for ya.
 
Murrmurr said:
Two things went wrong with that.

The mRna caused the immune system to go into over-drive, and it leeched through blood vessels, bringing the spike protein with it. The most frequent side-effect of that was blood clots and embolisms.

In hundreds of thousands of people who were vaccinated, those side-effects ranged from bad to deadly.
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No vaccine is 100% guaranteed or trouble-proof. But the dangers from virus pandemics is VERY real, and not to be ignored. Remember that "herd immunity" is to protect those who CANNOT be vaccinated, such as babies, or anyone with a compromised immune system, such as recovering cancer patients (of whom I know more than a few, and two of them are Stage 4 cancer patients in their 50's).

I and my family (15 adults, 3 kids) all were vaccinated, and have received boosters. None of us suffered anything more than minor side effects, mostly temporary fatigue and in a few cases, a rash that disappeared quickly.
 
In hundreds of thousands of people who were vaccinated, those side-effects ranged from bad to deadly..
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In the vast majority of people who were vaccinated, side effects ranged from nothing to mild.

'Side effects' of the disease were far more bad to deadly for far more people.
 
My answer is the same as JuJube's. I've been fully vaccinated and had a couple of boosters. And I did get Covid (once), but it was like a mild cold for a day or two. I've had many colds that were worse. And I'm in the age group where most of the fatalities occurred, among the unvaccinated.

Of course, asking how many vaccinated people have died is meaningless. What did they die of? Everybody dies, and if you're talking about people with serious chronic illnesses, or the very elderly, yes, some of them will die of Covid along with many other causes. So, what does that prove?

From looking at the statistics, it's very definitely been proven that this vaccine is incredibly effective and has saved millions of lives. The "side effects" tend to be mild and usually are brief. Compare that with the poor folks who got "long Covid" and got severe aftereffects from the disease. No one knows yet if these aftereffects will be lifelong, but they have lasted for years, with no end in sight. For the unvaccinated, this is a miserable, nasty disease which can destroy a person's life forever.

As for the question of "how many boosters will it take?" no one knows yet, obviously. How many flu boosters does it take? How many tetanus, pneumonia, measles, and other kinds of boosters? Many of the vaccines wear off after a period of time, say 10 years or more, and boosters are recommended. So, why is the Covid booster designated as the bad guy?

The answer is to take as many as it takes. In my own experience, no one is pushing any additional boosters at the moment. I don't even know if there is a new one. The urgency is largely gone, although obviously the disease is still out there, waiting to find someone who is vulnerable. But at least in this country, most of us had the good sense to get vaccinated, so the disease is greatly weakened. (Unless it mutates into an even more deadly form, but that's another subject, and we've got enough real problems to worry about.)
 
I got a Covid shot when they first came out. I did it because I have a health condition that they said could make Covid worse on me if I got it.
I never took any more shots or boosters. My original shot did not cause me any problems. So far I have had no problems with any flu bugs, including Covid...
 

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