Former Pope Benedict XVI has died

The negative comments regarding Pope Benedict are to be expected, as he was the most misunderstood Pope of recent eras.

Benedict adhered to the dogma of the Church as outlined by Thomas Aquinas. It is a dogma that has been followed through his reign. More modern Catholics have chosen politically motivated men such as Pope Francis as their head of the Church.

The attitude of the Church in the case of Priest abusing children was more than Benedict could take. He was a knowledgeable Theologian who did not take to modernizing Catholicism in any way. He followed the teachings of Jesus to a tee.

I doubt that he ever humanized Jesus at all, and probably could not readily accept that his birth name was Emanuel and not Jesus. John baptized him as Jesus, and he was known as such thereafter.

Benedict was truly a devout man of the old school. May he rest in peace.
 
I'm sorry, I don't believe you are correct. Emanuel is used 3 times in Isaiah & once in Matthew. Isaiah is announcing the coming of a messiah who will be called Emanuel (sp?) Matthew is quoting Isaiah. Jesus birthname name was supposedly Yeshua, or Joshua, which was changed by the Greeks to Jesus.
 
Pepper said:
I'm sorry, I don't believe you are correct. Emanuel is used 3 times in Isaiah & once in Matthew. Isaiah is announcing the coming of a messiah who will be called Emanuel (sp?) Matthew is quoting Isaiah. Jesus birthname name was supposedly Yeshua, or Joshua, which was changed by the Greeks to Jesus.
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The Catholic Church has always taught that his actual name was Immanuel. However, I found this:In the prophecy of the virgin birth, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah declares, “The Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” This prophecy had an initial fulfillment during Isaiah’s day, but it ultimately refers to the birth of Jesus, as we see in Matthew 1:22–23: “All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: ‘The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel’ (which means ‘God with us’).” This does not mean, however, that the Messiah’s actual given name would be Immanuel.

So, it is apparently often to compare how we speak of Babe Ruth. His given name is George Herman Ruth, not really Babe, as most people know him.

You know, Pepper, all these teachings are so similar, yet each has its own connotation. Nonetheless, I would no more disparage the head of any religion who passed on, whether I found him personally wanting or not. It is a genuine loss to those who did love and follow anyone of such importance.
 
Lewkat said:
He was forced into it. His entire family was anti-fascist and resisted Hitler's platform.
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Yeah ..... just like all those Nazi soliders were 'forced' to shoot , mame , starve, cut, burn, etc. and kill millions of people. Or how how about Mengele I suppose he was 'forced' to experiment [medically] on all those children as well ?

My father was part of the two outfits that liberated Dachau , when the local towns people said 'they weren't aware' Patton & Clark ordered them out to the camp, under armed guard .... Again, my father was there ... he said .... they knew.
 
Very funny! I was born and raised a Catholic and I even taught school in a private Catholic School. That is the good news!

The bad news is over the years I have found out many, many things about churches, religions and the people that go there.

So, I am not too concerned that the Pope has died. Actually, I am sick and tired of the BS that comes nonstop from our politically correct media. I have my own life and my interests and the media will never control me.

I had 3 brothers and not one of them even had an e-mail address. Not one of them had a computer, least of all a phone to stare at all day. Was their lives worse than mine? I don't think so. At least they could talk and tell stories. How many nerd starring at their phones for 16 hours/day can even tell you what the weather is like? Some but not many? We have lost common sense and there will be consequences!
 
The Roman Catholic Church is one of the most corrupt institutions in the world. Throughout history it has committed some of the worst crimes against humanity (e.g. the Crusades, Inquisition) and in recent decades, harboured pedophile criminals in its ranks. I have no respect for it, or any of its leaders.
 
Catballou said:
The Roman Catholic Church is one of the most corrupt institutions in the world. Throughout history it has committed some of the worst crimes against humanity (e.g. the Crusades, Inquisition) and in recent decades, harboured pedophile criminals in its ranks. I have no respect for it, or any of its leaders.
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Here Here !! ...... I agree completely.
 
Mike said:
What happened to, "Never speak ill of the Dead"?

Mike.
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Meh...that is an antiquated concept, arising from the era when people were more superstitious and creeped out about death. Religious beliefs probably played a part in this, like "If I speak ill of the dead, I'll go to hell." There's nothing wrong with being honest and expressing our opinions that the deceased was a less than wonderful person. I just wouldn't do it within earshot of their loved ones who are mourning them. That would be tacky and disrespectful.
 
rgp said:
"Take" it as you please ... it was not an attempt to smear, I was only relating fact.

My only point was ... before you sing someones praises , consider all that applies to that someone . Nothing more.
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I can appreciate that and we all approach death differently. In my case I just prefer to turn over any judgment to God. That is not meant as a criticism of anyone else feeling differently
 
Tommo said:
As per usual, any conversation regarding religion will inevitably end in losing the possibility of good friendship and understanding. In other words, we are going no-where with this and it would be a shame to close other communications because of a difference in opinions.
My mother told me never to argue politics, religion or money. I disagreed with her and got myself into some interesting discussion. But I did understand what she meant. People lose the sight of the difference between fact, truth and opinion. Those that won’t budge from their opinions die with the same bigotry and biases they were born with.
A philosopher once suggested we might be better off looking at the other options and be willing to be more accepting of differences in spite of their perceived harshness.
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I see political or religious discussions as a learning process. I am fascinated with how and why others see things. I do avoid those who become too emotional or want to preach and change others. I have a few friends with whom I totally avoid political discussions.
The general rule of avoiding religion and politics is a good one but when I find anyone who can be nonjudgemental and just share their POV, I find the discussions very worthwhile.
 
Catballou said:
The Roman Catholic Church is one of the most corrupt institutions in the world. Throughout history it has committed some of the worst crimes against humanity (e.g. the Crusades, Inquisition) and in recent decades, harboured pedophile criminals in its ranks. I have no respect for it, or any of its leaders.
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You are not alone in your opinion but I would still say the Catholic church has also made some good contributions and is worthy of some praise. I am a non-practicing Catholic and have many criticisms of the Church. However, I admire those who stayed and are trying to make the Church better after all the scandals.
I am grateful for the background the Catholic church gave me growing up including the few years I attended Catholic school. It gave me a basis for further developing my spirituality.
 
Catballou said:
Meh...that is an antiquated concept, arising from the era when people were more superstitious and creeped out about death. Religious beliefs probably played a part in this, like "If I speak ill of the dead, I'll go to hell." There's nothing wrong with being honest and expressing our opinions that the deceased was a less than wonderful person. I just wouldn't do it within earshot of their loved ones who are mourning them. That would be tacky and disrespectful.
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I do not speak ill of the dead because I know I do not know everything about the dead person. I believe only God knows all and He/She alone can judge with any 'fairness'
 
Serenity4321 said:
I do not speak ill of the dead because I know I do not know everything about the dead person. I believe only God knows all and He/She alone can judge with any 'fairness'
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Serenity4321 said:
You are not alone in your opinion but I would still say the Catholic church has also made some good contributions and is worthy of some praise. I am a non-practicing Catholic and have many criticisms of the Church. However, I admire those who stayed and are trying to make the Church better after all the scandals.
I am grateful for the background the Catholic church gave me growing up including the few years I attended Catholic school. It gave me a basis for further developing my spirituality.
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And in my opinion, the heinous acts against humanity that the RC Church has committed far outweighs any good it has done. Your comment is like saying, "Adolph Hitler made some good contributions and is worthy of some praise."
 
Catballou said:
And in my opinion, the heinous acts against humanity that the RC Church has committed far outweighs any good it has done. Your comment is like saying, "Adolph Hitler made some good contributions and is worthy of some praise."
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So in your opinion, a heinous act wipes out all good someone has accomplished? I don't agree because I still do not understand the purpose of heinous acts. We are allmhere for a short time and I do not know what it all means in the bigger scheme of things. I do know nonjudgment is a trait I want to develop. Not because there is no evil, but because there is a higher force who understands better than I do..
lol reminds me of the elvis song..we'll understand it all by and by:)
 
Serenity4321 said:
So in your opinion, a heinous act wipes out all good someone has accomplished? I don't agree because I still do not understand the purpose of heinous acts. We are allmhere for a short time and I do not know what it all means in the bigger scheme of things. I do know nonjudgment is a trait I want to develop. Not because there is no evil, but because there is a higher force who understands better than I do..
lol reminds me of the elvis song..we'll understand it all by and by:)
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What's there to understand regarding the purpose of heinous acts committed by the RC Church? There is absolutely no excuse for the RC Church to allow the sexual abuse of children and cover it up. Damn right I'll judge that on the basis that I'm a decent human being who is appalled by these vile crimes. Leaving it to your god to judge is a way for you to ignore what's happened and not take a stand against it. I prefer to speak up for the thousands of sexual abuse victims, and support them as they try to heal their emotional scars. You are free to do you, though. And that is apparently doing nothing at all.
 
Catballou said:
What's there to understand regarding the purpose of heinous acts committed by the RC Church? There is absolutely no excuse for the RC Church to allow the ****** abuse of children and cover it up. Damn right I'll judge that on the basis that I'm a decent human being who is appalled by these vile crimes. Leaving it to your god to judge is a way for you to ignore what's happened and not take a stand against it. I prefer to speak up for the thousands of ****** abuse victims, and support them as they try to heal their emotional scars. You are free to do you, though. And that is apparently doing nothing at all.
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Seeing positives in a person who commits evil does not take away from knowing the truth of their heinous acts and condemning them. My reference to God does not mean I do not find them guilty. I will without hesitation stand up for all victims of abuse and support them. I too am appalled by the vile crimes as should we all be.
I think judging another when one does not have all the facts is a failing of most people
 
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