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George Floyd was a victim
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Rgp, have you ever backed off and let the other person (in this case, many people) have the last word? Ever? In fact, have you ever been wrong about anything?
I didn't think so.
I have found myself wrong, in many cases over the years. However, no one here has posted fact, to make me think I am in this case. They may think it is fact, and it may be too them, but not too me.
Rather than right or wrong, why can't you & others just accept the fact that we see things differently as they apply to this case. And respectfully accept my opinion , as I will accept yours......and just go on?
You and others are so hell bent on proving me wrong..and insulting me ..... it appears you all have lost site of the subject.
Thank you for the exalted position, but I'm really not that important.
Well, I certainly do agree with that last statement, that you are not that important. But....
Can you find anything you have ever posted on this forum to indicate that you might actually be wrong about something, or that something that someone else posted has caused you to change your mind? These arguments are taking on the characteristics of schoolyard quarrels. You mention "facts," but the facts are not really too instrumental; people seem to come into these battles with their minds already made up, and then they dig their heels in. If anyone cites facts, they are quickly brushed aside by those who do not like them.
Your first couple of sentences are worthy of the Dowager Countess in Downton Abbey.
Isobel: How you hate to be wrong.
Violet: I wouldn't know. I'm not familiar with the sensation.
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Well for the first half of this ..... right back at'cha.
As for the second part ? I know not who those people are?
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And once again, your reply is more about 'attacking' me .... debating 'about me' , and having nothing to do with subject at hand ? You seem more concerned with me ....... than the subject.
I am however honored that you find me so interesting ..........
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Definition of victim
1: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent
: such as
a(1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions
a victim of cancer
a victim of the auto crash
a murder victim
(2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim
RGP To debate whether or not George Floyd was a victim as the concept of the thread suggests, I'd like to offer the above for a common understanding of what a victim is defined as. Can you accept merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim as a basis for debate?
If you can, then using that definition I don't think there can be a debate. He was a victim.
If not what points can you make to refute that definition?
1: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent
: such as
a(1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions
a victim of cancer
a victim of the auto crash
a murder victim
(2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim
RGP To debate whether or not George Floyd was a victim as the concept of the thread suggests, I'd like to offer the above for a common understanding of what a victim is defined as. Can you accept merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim as a basis for debate?
If you can, then using that definition I don't think there can be a debate. He was a victim.
If not what points can you make to refute that definition?
No disrespect to @rgp intended, I promise. Lately, I have been watching a lot of Sesame Street with my incredible 2 year old grandson, and, as I'm reading this thread I'm thinking of @rgp as:
I find @rgp to be so very necessary here. Three cheers! (That's Oscar the Grouch in case anyone doesn't know! )
I find @rgp to be so very necessary here. Three cheers! (That's Oscar the Grouch in case anyone doesn't know! )
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OK, ....... I do not see him as a victim, I see him as a street thug that put himself into a precarious situation ..... and lost .
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No disrespect to @rgp intended, I promise. Lately, I have been watching a lot of Sesame Street with my incredible 2 year old grandson, and, as I'm reading this thread I'm thinking of @rgp as:
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I find @rgp to be so very necessary here. Three cheers! (That's Oscar the Grouch in case anyone doesn't know! )
Yet another reply , having nothing to do with the subject. Only expressing opinion about me.
And yet you start out with a "no disrespect" intended ?! Then continue with an utter disrespectful 'cartoon' . Much like a child might do..
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Every one of your responses indicate that you see Mr. Floyd's death as simply a consequence of his lifestyle, choices, whatever. Along the lines of "if you touch a hot stove, don't be surprised when you burn your fingers."
Natural or logical consequences are expected outcomes resulting from an action or decision. You touch a hot stove, you burn your fingers. You go outside without a jacket in freezing weather, you get cold. You don't do your job of work, you get fired. You overspend, you go into debt. You break the law you go to jail. All those outcomes follow, as a natural progression. Simple. This action = that result.
Death is NOT a natural, logical or expected consequence of passing a counterfeit $20 bill. Period.
Murder by Police is NOT the natural or expected consequence of an arrest.
There is NO scenario under which death would be a natural or expected consequence for those things. To argue otherwise is to prove your ignorance.
I quoted two lines from the PBS series Downton Abbey, in which someone tells Lady Violet, "How you hate to be wrong," and Violet answers, "I wouldn't know. I'm not familiar with the sensation."
Just to contribute to your education, rgp, Lady Violet is the Dowager Countess in"Downton Abbey." She is played by Maggie Smith, and is very haughty, has everyone terrified most of the time, and of course, is never wrong. (She's also very funny.)
Just to contribute to your education, rgp, Lady Violet is the Dowager Countess in"Downton Abbey." She is played by Maggie Smith, and is very haughty, has everyone terrified most of the time, and of course, is never wrong. (She's also very funny.)
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Truce.
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"caused him to lose the right to live. "
Well, that's where he lost. Had he not put himself in the position that he did .......... NONE of this would have happened.
When someone breaks the law .... anything can happen..... ergo, don't break the law.
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"Death is NOT a natural, logical or expected consequence of passing a counterfeit $20 bill. Period."
Passing a counterfeit $20 bill is a violation of law.....hence the police become involved. Anytime the police engage a suspect ...... any outcome is possible.
"Murder by Police is NOT the natural or expected consequence of an arrest. "
You call it murder ... I do not.
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Every one of your responses indicate that you see Mr. Floyd's death as simply a consequence of his lifestyle, choices, whatever. Along the lines of "if you touch a hot stove, don't be surprised when you burn your fingers."
Exactly correct.
"To argue otherwise is to prove your ignorance."
And once again, a personal attack / insult.
You just cannot accept an opposing argument / opinion, to yours.
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The program is not available to watch now, rgp, even if you wanted to. It played its final episode several years ago, after a successful run over several years.
If you could manage to lighten up a bit, and turn down the volume on your self-pity, you would realize that I was making a joking reference to the fact that you are never wrong (in your own opinion), similar to the character in that show. And that was the only reason I brought her up. There are many characters in literature, starting with Shakespeare, whose names have become synonymous with various character traits.
Hamlet = Endless speculating and philosophizing
Romeo = Hopeless romanticism
Scrooge = Meanness, stinginess, lack of empathy, at least until he has that last dream
Lady Macbeth, also Captain Ahab = Driving, obsessive ambition
Lady Violet = Never being wrong, in her own opinion
Are you deliberately misunderstanding, or what?
If you could manage to lighten up a bit, and turn down the volume on your self-pity, you would realize that I was making a joking reference to the fact that you are never wrong (in your own opinion), similar to the character in that show. And that was the only reason I brought her up. There are many characters in literature, starting with Shakespeare, whose names have become synonymous with various character traits.
Hamlet = Endless speculating and philosophizing
Romeo = Hopeless romanticism
Scrooge = Meanness, stinginess, lack of empathy, at least until he has that last dream
Lady Macbeth, also Captain Ahab = Driving, obsessive ambition
Lady Violet = Never being wrong, in her own opinion
Are you deliberately misunderstanding, or what?
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I understand completely & clearly ...... But again, I do not base my arguments on a TV program...
If we are going to go there ? ...... What about the song, "I fought the law & the law won"
LOL, "lighten up a bit" ? you do not even know me , and yet you judge me. My "self-pity" has nothing to do with "self pity" ....... It has to do with the fact that so many of the replies do not even address the subject. They are directed only toward insulting me ! That sort of reply, speaks only to the ignorance of the person replying.
True, I do not know you personally. And I don't even know if the persona you are exhibiting on this forum is genuine. You might be completely different in person.
But I do know your persona here very well. Your replies are consistent and very predictable. And that is what I am responding to, whether it is the real "you" or not.
The many answers you have inspired are in response to what you have written. People are responding to your right-wing attitudes about absolutely everything, and to your refusal to ever allow anyone else to have the last word. That is what we see here, and it's all we have to go on.
Most answers you have received have a lot to do with the opinions you have expressed, and they certainly do "address the subject." And some of them have been responses to your obvious baiting. If you're going to keep doing that, you have to expect whatever responses come your way, both pro and con. Maybe it's time to stop being so thin-skinned, and put on your big boy pants?
Oh yes, about my reference to Lady Violet, your repetition that you do not base your arguments on a TV program is an interesting deflection away from the subject. No one has said your arguments are based on a TV program. You keep introducing that, thinking you are making some sort of a point. I was comparing your self-importance and refusal ever to back down to the way this kind of character is satirized. Lady Violet is there for comic entertainment value, nothing more.
But I do know your persona here very well. Your replies are consistent and very predictable. And that is what I am responding to, whether it is the real "you" or not.
The many answers you have inspired are in response to what you have written. People are responding to your right-wing attitudes about absolutely everything, and to your refusal to ever allow anyone else to have the last word. That is what we see here, and it's all we have to go on.
Most answers you have received have a lot to do with the opinions you have expressed, and they certainly do "address the subject." And some of them have been responses to your obvious baiting. If you're going to keep doing that, you have to expect whatever responses come your way, both pro and con. Maybe it's time to stop being so thin-skinned, and put on your big boy pants?
Oh yes, about my reference to Lady Violet, your repetition that you do not base your arguments on a TV program is an interesting deflection away from the subject. No one has said your arguments are based on a TV program. You keep introducing that, thinking you are making some sort of a point. I was comparing your self-importance and refusal ever to back down to the way this kind of character is satirized. Lady Violet is there for comic entertainment value, nothing more.
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"Maybe it's time to stop being so thin-skinned, and put on your big boy pants? "
Shaking my head ....... here again , an insult toward me, that has nothing to do with the subject. I am not being "thin-skinned" ..... I am pointing at the obvious , and the fact.
"and to your refusal to ever allow anyone else to have the last word. "
So I should just what? quit my argument at some point, hence indicating that, at that point, I agree with someone I do not ?
I will continue my argument as long as I see things differently, and do not agree with what is being said.
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