George Floyd was a victim

[Keesha]

We ALL addressed the subject already and debated facts. These facts weren’t personal opinions but were well researched answers from the professionals looking after this case. Our personal opinions make no difference to this case nor should they. Action was taken and the murderers were arrested by the professionals.
( which we aren’t )

Nobody here is trying to convince any of the members here who think he deserved what he got. It would be like trying to convince the KKK which is truly pointless.

 

[rgp]

We ALL addressed the subject already and debated facts. These facts weren’t personal opinions but were well researched answers from the professionals looking after this case. Our personal opinions make no difference to this case nor should they. Action was taken and the murderers were arrested by the professionals. ( which we aren’t )

Nobody here is trying to convince any of the members here who think he deserved what he got. It would be like trying to convince the KKK which is truly pointless.

You and others debated the FACTS as you see them .... I see them differently , and you and others just cannot see & or accept that. IF you [and others] are satisfied with your own conclusions? Then why concern yourself with mine.

"Our personal opinions make no difference to this case nor should they."

If that is true ? then why are we even having this debate / discussion?

 

[Keesha]

I’m sorry rgp if you thought I was speaking personally to YOU . I wasn’t.

 

[rgp]

I’m sorry rgp if you thought I was speaking personally to YOU . I wasn’t.

OK, my bad ..... let me change the {I} to {some of us}. Even though the other {some of us} are eerily quiet

 

[Knight]

OK, ....... I do not see him as a victim, I see him as a street thug that put himself into a precarious situation ..... and lost .

Other than his past history what proof do you have he was guilty of anything? You like to say you deal in facts so what fact or proof do you have that he did anything wrong?

visual & audio facts that fit the definition I provided.

On video George Floyd got out of his car was handcuffed & sat peacefully against a wall until he was taken towards the the police cruiser where we see him pinned to the ground. One officer kneeling on his neck & back another on his lower torso. Floyd able to say he couldn't breathe. He was pinned down with his hands cuffed behind his back until he died in police custody.

I'm not attacking you just expressing my opinion that you haven't countered facts with facts you have only expressed an opinion based on his past history. When you post facts that counter what is visually & audio able to see & hear I'll be happy to read and evaluate your point of view.

 

[Keesha]

OK, my bad ..... let me change the {I} to {some of us}. Even though the other {some of us} are eerily quiet

Some of you.? For the last three pages you’ve criticized anybody adding anything to this thread who disagrees with your OPINION!

Sunny, Pepper, knight, win, RadishRose, Gennie, Nate and myself are some of them

You are no longer discussing George Floyd but merely attacking anyone whose opinion differs from yours.

A crime committed by George wasn’t proven so not sure what crime you are referring to. What counterfeit money did you see.? What counterfeit money did anyone see.? That’s what the courts are for, they have judges and lawyers and other professionals dealing with this however the police officer took the law into his own hands ....which is why he was charged. Was George charged with a crime? No! He was murdered before anything was proven. The police and other professionals caught and arrested him.

That’s reality and reality doesn’t care about personal opinions.

 

[rgp]

Some of you.? For the last three pages you’ve criticized anybody adding anything to this thread who disagrees with your OPINION!

Sunny, Pepper, knight, win, RadishRose, Gennie, Nate and myself are some of them

You are no longer discussing George Floyd but merely attacking anyone whose opinion differs from yours.

A crime committed by George wasn’t proven so not sure what crime you are referring to. What counterfeit money did you see.? What counterfeit money did anyone see.? That’s what the courts are for, they have judges and lawyers and other professionals dealing with this however the police officer took the law into his own hands ....which is why he was charged. Was George charged with a crime? No! He was murdered before anything was proven. The police and other professionals caught and arrested him.

That’s reality and reality doesn’t care about personal opinions.

Then why do you argue [your] reality ?

I saw a few reports on the news, that showed the money.

"You are no longer discussing George Floyd but merely attacking anyone whose opinion differs from yours."

Wrong....just plain wrong. I am not the one that strayed from arguing the issue, to personal attacks , and attacks of anyone's intelligence .

"Some of you.? For the last three pages you’ve criticized anybody adding anything to this thread who disagrees with your OPINION!"

Wrong once again .... I don't care who, or how many of you disagree with me on anything. But don't attack my persona , or intellect just because you do. Accept my opinion, disagree as you will, as I accept yours and disagree as i will.

 

[rgp]

Other than his past history what proof do you have he was guilty of anything? You like to say you deal in facts so what fact or proof do you have that he did anything wrong?

visual & audio facts that fit the definition I provided.

On video George Floyd got out of his car was handcuffed & sat peacefully against a wall until he was taken towards the the police cruiser where we see him pinned to the ground. One officer kneeling on his neck & back another on his lower torso. Floyd able to say he couldn't breathe. He was pinned down with his hands cuffed behind his back until he died in police custody.

I'm not attacking you just expressing my opinion that you haven't countered facts with facts you have only expressed an opinion based on his past history. When you post facts that counter what is visually & audio able to see & hear I'll be happy to read and evaluate your point of view.

His criminal history is proof, add that to the fact that he passed 'funny money' , the police were called , and he lost. He is a felon, I believe six times over ..... I don't care.

Just 'google' his record in Texas.

 

[Knight]

His criminal history is proof, add that to the fact that he passed 'funny money' , the police were called , and he lost. He is a felon, I believe six times over ..... I don't care.

Just 'google' his record in Texas.

I'm pretty sure you understand our justice system, innocent until proven guilty. Unless the counterfeit money could be proven to be passed by George Floyd all he was at the time was accused. He never made it to court to make that determination. Your fact is correct but is irrelevant to what Floyd was accused of. So the only fact you offer is not valid in this instance.

I understand you are set in what you believe is the reason for the police office to kneel on his neck & back until he died. That kind of thinking was popular with the Nazi's when considering the value of Jewish life. Or the Japanese after capturing American soldiers. It's a mindset that hopefully goes away someday.

 

[Sunny]

Let's look away from Floyd for a moment. Suppose there is a really bad guy, who indisputedly committed some awful crime, and was incarcerated for it. And he was so awful that pretty much everybody agrees that he deserved to do time in prison.

After his time was up, he was released. He was of no danger to anybody, he saw the light and was now a reformed criminal. He was sitting in his car, minding his own business, when a cop who declared himself judge, jury, and executioner, went up to the car and shot him dead. His defense was that the guy had previously committed some pretty terrible crimes, so what's the big deal? He deserved to die.

I wonder how many of us would agree with that reasoning?

 

[Aunt Bea]

IMO focusing on Mr. Floyd's criminal history is just a diversionary tactic to move the spotlight away from the officers involved in the incident.

I don't know if Mr. Floyd resisted arrest or failed to comply with the requests of the officers at the scene but even if he did he posed no threat to anyone once he was on the ground in handcuffs.

IMO the media portrayal of police brutality or use of excessive force is being overused or used in some cases inappropriately but in this case, I believe it is justified based on what I've seen.

 

[win231]

IMO focusing on Mr. Floyd's criminal history is just a diversionary tactic to move the spotlight away from the officers involved in the incident.

I don't know if Mr. Floyd resisted arrest or failed to comply with the requests of the officers at the scene but even if he did he posed no threat to anyone once he was on the ground in handcuffs.

IMO the media portrayal of police brutality or use of excessive force is being overused or used in some cases inappropriately but in this case, I believe it is justified based on what I've seen.

Such diversionary tactics are quite common with people who must defend criminal cops - usually because they have cops in their families.

 

[peppermint]

Sickening!

I thought "No Politics here".....

 

[Warrigal]

In defence of Aunt Marg, I saw no evidence of politics in her post that triggered post #288.
Did I misinterpret her post?

 

[MarciKS]

OK, my bad ..... let me change the {I} to {some of us}. Even though the other {some of us} are eerily quiet

I'm quiet because I've found it's pointless to say anything on here. If you disagree with the majority they're gonna latch on like a pitbull and chew you to shreds till you either agree or leave. I agree with several of your posts and that makes me the enemy. Frankly I don't understand the point of arguing over a dead man. It won't bring him back or change anything. But good luck to ya.

 

[Keesha]

Then why do you argue [your] reality ?

I saw a few reports on the news, that showed the money.

"You are no longer discussing George Floyd but merely attacking anyone whose opinion differs from yours."

Wrong....just plain wrong. I am not the one that strayed from arguing the issue, to personal attacks , and attacks of anyone's intelligence .

"Some of you.? For the last three pages you’ve criticized anybody adding anything to this thread who disagrees with your OPINION!"

Wrong once again .... I don't care who, or how many of you disagree with me on anything. But don't attack my persona , or intellect just because you do. Accept my opinion, disagree as you will, as I accept yours and disagree as i will.

I’ve got no problem whatsoever with you disagreeing with myself and others about this debate over George Floyd’s murder by police officer(s) but if you are going to debate the topic then proving your points is part of the debating process.

Saying you saw articles showing the ‘alleged’ counterfeit money doesn’t cut it and if you did why wouldn’t you show them to us to prove your point?

If George Floyd resisted arrest, according to you, why not show the sources that led you to this conclusion?

If you believe the police officer used reasonable methods to hold George Floyd while he was being detained, then why not link us with this information that brought you to this conclusion instead of just saying ‘something went wrong.’

That’s how debates work. Even when the opposing sides proved their statements with links and sources, you refused to acknowledge them and just kept repeating your original claims.

I have no problems debating anything with anyone but if people are going to debate then show sources why you believe your facts to be right otherwise it’s just ‘here say.’

You presented NOTHING to support your statements which isn’t debating the subject.
It’s nothing more than sharing your feelings and opinions. I have no problems accepting that’s how you feel as an opinion but realize that opinions can’t be proved and THIS is a debate about facts which caused his death.

His criminal history is proof, add that to the fact that he passed 'funny money' , the police were called , and he lost. He is a felon, I believe six times over ..... I don't care.

Just 'google' his record in Texas.

He didn’t lose. He was murdered. Huge distinction. That’s what the court systems are for! Not over zealous cops or vigilantes.

 

[Keesha]

It’s not just a dead man we are debating about.....
It’s a man murdered by the police. Sorry but there’s huge distinction.

 

[Aunt Marg]

In defence of Aunt Marg, I saw no evidence of politics in her post that triggered post #288.
Did I misinterpret her post?

Thank you, Warrigal.

 

[Knight]

His criminal history is proof, add that to the fact that he passed 'funny money' , the police were called , and he lost. He is a felon, I believe six times over ..... I don't care.

Just 'google' his record in Texas.

If I knew your name I could Google you. If you have any record no matter what for then that would make you eligible to be treated the same as George Floyd was. Even a speeding ticket can work because it's possible you may speed again and kill an innocent pedestrian or other driver.

 

[rgp]

I’ve got no problem whatsoever with you disagreeing with myself and others about this debate over George Floyd’s murder by police officer(s) but if you are going to debate the topic then proving your points is part of the debating process.

Saying you saw articles showing the ‘alleged’ counterfeit money doesn’t cut it and if you did why wouldn’t you show them to us to prove your point?

If George Floyd resisted arrest, according to you, why not show the sources that led you to this conclusion?

If you believe the police officer used reasonable methods to hold George Floyd while he was being detained, then why not link us with this information that brought you to this conclusion instead of just saying ‘something went wrong.’

That’s how debates work. Even when the opposing sides proved their statements with links and sources, you refused to acknowledge them and just kept repeating your original claims.

I have no problems debating anything with anyone but if people are going to debate then show sources why you believe your facts to be right otherwise it’s just ‘here say.’

You presented NOTHING to support your statements which isn’t debating the subject.
It’s nothing more than sharing your feelings and opinions. I have no problems accepting that’s how you feel as an opinion but realize that opinions can’t be proved and THIS is a debate about facts which caused his death.








That’s what the court systems are for! Not over zealous cops or vigilantes.

Exactly ! That's why he should be expected (we) are expected to surrender to the arrest ... and fight it out in court.

 

[rgp]

I’ve got no problem whatsoever with you disagreeing with myself and others about this debate over George Floyd’s murder by police officer(s) but if you are going to debate the topic then proving your points is part of the debating process.

Saying you saw articles showing the ‘alleged’ counterfeit money doesn’t cut it and if you did why wouldn’t you show them to us to prove your point?

If George Floyd resisted arrest, according to you, why not show the sources that led you to this conclusion?

If you believe the police officer used reasonable methods to hold George Floyd while he was being detained, then why not link us with this information that brought you to this conclusion instead of just saying ‘something went wrong.’

That’s how debates work. Even when the opposing sides proved their statements with links and sources, you refused to acknowledge them and just kept repeating your original claims.

I have no problems debating anything with anyone but if people are going to debate then show sources why you believe your facts to be right otherwise it’s just ‘here say.’

You presented NOTHING to support your statements which isn’t debating the subject.
It’s nothing more than sharing your feelings and opinions. I have no problems accepting that’s how you feel as an opinion but realize that opinions can’t be proved and THIS is a debate about facts which caused his death.








That’s what the court systems are for! Not over zealous cops or vigilantes.

A: One does not need to prove an opinion.

B: The counterfeit money was shown on a news broadcast.

 

[Sunny]

Yup, that's a brilliant strategy, rgp. Anyone who ever got a ticket for speeding, jaywalking, parking, or whatever may be arrested (or horribly murdered), because of his past criminal record. Gee, why didn't I think of that?

 

[rgp]

Such diversionary tactics are quite common with people who must defend criminal cops - usually because they have cops in their families.

Your big on the cops in family aspect aren't ya ?..........

 

[rgp]

Yup, that's a brilliant strategy, rgp. Anyone who ever got a ticket for speeding, jaywalking, parking, or whatever may be arrested (or horribly murdered), because of his past criminal record. Gee, why didn't I think of that?

It was not his criminal record that got him killed......it was his resistance to the arrest.

 

[rgp]

Let's look away from Floyd for a moment. Suppose there is a really bad guy, who indisputedly committed some awful crime, and was incarcerated for it. And he was so awful that pretty much everybody agrees that he deserved to do time in prison.

After his time was up, he was released. He was of no danger to anybody, he saw the light and was now a reformed criminal. He was sitting in his car, minding his own business, when a cop who declared himself judge, jury, and executioner, went up to the car and shot him dead. His defense was that the guy had previously committed some pretty terrible crimes, so what's the big deal? He deserved to die.

I wonder how many of us would agree with that reasoning?

"
After his time was up, he was released. He was of no danger to anybody, he saw the light and was now a reformed criminal. He was sitting in his car, minding his own business, when a cop who declared himself judge, jury, and executioner, went up to the car and shot him dead. His defense was that the guy had previously committed some pretty terrible crimes, so what's the big deal? He deserved to die."

That is a scenario that does not even apply to the issue at hand.