George Floyd was a victim

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hollydolly said:
I read a police Chief said that that particular hold used on George Floyd is a specific move in which all officers are told to only use as a last resort and never for more than 2 minutes due to the very real danger of causing death.

Also..I don't know if this has been addressed in these many posts on several threads.. but since when did potentially passing a fake $10 dollar note become a matter for 4 police officers?

look at this...

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It's obvious that these officers decided to kill Floyd beforehand.
 

Minneapolis is one of the most "liberal" cities in the US. It has a radical left-wing mayor and its US representative is Ilhan Omar. It's been run by Democrats since about 1958.

Minnesota has two liberal Democratic senators, a radical leftist District Attorney, and a liberal Democratic governor.

Just sayin'.
 

MsFox said:
Watch the Park City officer body cam videos and you can see clearly this wasn't a brutal arrest. A lot of time passed from when he was arrested and in handcuffs until he was killed. It all seems a bit too calm and convenient for me, but that is just my opinion.
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Not a brutal arrest? We all watched 3 police officers sit on a man to hold him down , one who kneeled on his throat for over 8 minutes causing lack of vital oxygen and blood to the brain and according to both private and government autopsies, is what caused his death. One sat on his abdomen so his diaphragm couldn’t function properly while the other sat on his feet . The officer who kneeled on his throat has been charged with man slaughter and 2nd degree murder and the rest got arrested for assisting in this brutal death.

The man DIED while being arrested from police officers NOT following proper procedure but your focus isn’t on THESE criminals. Your focus is on the murdered victim.

Yes MURDERED according the the medical professionals and the law professionals.

How can you possibly say this clearly wasn’t a brutal arrest?

For myself, this IS by far the most brutal arrest I’ve ever witnessed. The man died.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/03/us/george-floyd-officers-charges/index.html
 
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MsFox said:
I think new evidence released today clearly shows this was a hit. I think the 4 officers involved were into counterfeiting or money laundering and Floyd was working with them as a runner and something went wrong so he was set up and then killed. Look at the videos by the Park officer body cam. There was a lot of discussion with Floyd after he was handcuffed and he was moved from place to place and finally behind the police car where he was slowly killed. I suspect in time the charge with be 1st-degree murder.
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It does seem that the dead man and the man who killed him were known to each other. The nature of their connection may come to light during the trial.
 
Ronni said:
RGP and others who have responded in a similar manner, to the tune of IF he hadn't been a criminal, IF wasn't committing a crime, If he hadn't been bad in the past etc, you are all BLAMING THE VICTIM. It's the VICTIMS's fault, because......

VICTIM BLAMING marginalizes the victim and minimizes the criminal act. It causes the victim, and NOT the perpetrator, to be held accountable for what happened to them.

Victim-blaming originates from ignorance, meanness, or a smug sense of superiority. It is a bias that makes it seem like the victims of a crime, accident, or other misfortune should have been able to predict and prevent whatever problem might have befallen them.

Blaming the victim suggests that people should have simply known or expected such things to happen given their past or current behavior.

Victim blaming seeks to deflect, by various means, the responsibility of the act from the perpetrator, and directly onto the victim. It is a cowardly, irresponsible response and says far more about the person doing the blaming than it does the victim.
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BRAVO!!! Very well stated Ronni. In a way I liken this to blaming the victim of rape for being raped. Oh she was out partying and drinking, or she had on that short dress, or she has an active sexual history, etc. Only this is much worse...an unarmed man lost his life and he is on a long list of many.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
BRAVO!!! Very well stated Ronni. In a way I liken this to blaming the victim of rape for being raped. Oh she was out partying and drinking, or she had on that short dress, or she has an active sexual history, etc. Only this is much worse...an unarmed man lost his life and he is on a long list of many.
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Yes it IS like blaming rape victims that it’s their fault they were raped and unfortunately that actually happens.
 
I do not think anyone can compare what happened to this man to rape. I would have more to say on this, but the conversation would have nothing to do with this thread. I will point out that the names of victims of rape are no longer released. Nor is their past history allowed in court.
 
win231 said:
It's obvious that these officers decided to kill Floyd beforehand.
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I don’t know if they did or didn’t. I am curious as to why Mr. Floyd, after leaving the store, went and sat in a car, seemingly waiting for the police to arrive and arrest him. Why didn’t he leave? Anyone have an answer?
 
We can pick this apart / argue back & forth in a circular argument till we are blue in the face. What it comes down to is simply, we [some of you here & I ] see it differently ..... and we will likely never agree on it.

I feel it was a righteous arrest, in which an approved procedure / method just went wrong, and as a result Floyd died. Again, had he not been involved in a criminal activity, Floyd might well be alive today.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I don’t know if they did or didn’t. I am curious as to why Mr. Floyd, after leaving the store, went and sat in a car, seemingly waiting for the police to arrive and arrest him. Why didn’t he leave? Anyone have an answer?
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OneEyedDiva said:
BRAVO!!! Very well stated Ronni. In a way I liken this to blaming the victim of rape for being raped. Oh she was out partying and drinking, or she had on that short dress, or she has an active sexual history, etc. Only this is much worse...an unarmed man lost his life and he is on a long list of many.
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The reference was directly related to blaming the victim for a crime committed. Period
 
rgp said:
We can pick this apart / argue back & forth in a circular argument till we are blue in the face. What it comes down to is simply, we [some of you here & I ] see it differently ..... and we will likely never agree on it.

I feel it was a righteous arrest, in which an approved procedure / method just went wrong, and as a result Floyd died. Again, had he not been involved in a criminal activity, Floyd might well be alive today.
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It wasn’t an approved procedure. The manual for the approved procedure which was shown wasn’t followed and resulted in his death which is why murder charges were made
 
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rgp said:
I never said that he was guilty of a crime .... I said he involved himself in a criminal activity .... as noted by the person he passed the bills too. That's when the police are called.
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The bills still had to be verified as fake so there was no proof of criminal activity. Putting the bills into evidence, arresting him on suspicion makes sense. The bills may have been fake but what proof other than the store managers word that he was the one that passed them? Finger print verification on the bills wasn't used at the scene was it?
While handcuffed with his hands behind his back, with 4 officers there and him handcuffed what threat did he pose to those 4?

It's to bad those watching and recording on their phones didn't think to call 911 and report what was going on.
 
Ronni said:
I am really shocked at some of the things I'm reading here about George Floyd's murder.

Yes, he was a criminal. Yes, he passed counterfeit money, and there is some evidence he KNEW it was counterfeit, that the ink on it hadn't even thoroughly dried. Yes, he did time in prison. Yes, he threatened a pregnant woman with a gun.

He was far from perfect, he lived a troubled life, there were things he did and acts he committed which were indefensible and which I abhor.

He was also, at the end of his life, A VICTIM.

His criminal past is being used by some to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.

Some on facebook and in the media are calling Mr. Floyd a hero or a martyr. I don't agree that he was. But because some are labeling him that, it gives others the opportunity to point out that he wasn't either, he was "just" a criminal, as though that somehow excuses his murder.

Label him whatever you want, but while you're struggling to figure out how feel about this wretched incident, how to feel about Mr. Floyd, remember that he was a VICTIM, powerless in the moments before his death to change that course in spite of his please and entreaties. He was a man crying out for his mother, pleading with his murderer that he couldn't breathe, held down with a knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes, the last two minutes of which he was completely unresponsive, so that when the paramedics arrived they couldn't detect a pulse.

HE WAS A VICTIM. Lethal, deadly force was used against him. He suffered physical harm to the point of death as a result of the criminal act perpetrated against him. He deserves justice.
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I have always thought he was a VICTIM! Never heard about his past but his past has nothing to do with what happened to him at the hands of the police. It is just utterly wrong and inexcusable what those police did.
 
Knight said:
The bills still had to be verified as fake so there was no proof of criminal activity. Putting the bills into evidence, arresting him on suspicion makes sense. The bills may have been fake but what proof other than the store managers word that he was the one that passed them? Finger print verification on the bills wasn't used at the scene was it?
While handcuffed with his hands behind his back, with 4 officers there and him handcuffed what threat did he pose to those 4?

It's to bad those watching and recording on their phones didn't think to call 911 and report what was going on.
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Yes, I made that point also on another thread, if people were so worried why didn’t they make some calls. I also agree, that I think he was arrested on suspicion of having fake bills which is a federal crime. But why did he sit and wait in the car? Just curious if someone has an answer.
 
When this happened, I couldn't understand that the officer kept this poor man choked whole....I couldn't let go of the channel when the police
man was holding the man down....I was praying for him to let him go, take him in the police car, with the other 3 policemen....
That's all he had to do....The poor man died in the cops choke hole....I was yelling at the TV....I don't care if the guy was robbing something or
if he said something to the cop....It was an awful moment for this man to die like that....
I don't go into crowds to make a mockery of this whole incident...Yes the police man should be in Prison....I don't know much about the other's..
Even though they should.ve told that (a hole) to put the man in the police car...But they didn't do anything..
I feel for the family.....And I prayed today when I was watching the momorial….
I'm sorry, I don't like crowds....Please just keep the family in your prayers, if you pray,
I don't like what is going on now and it's not going to go away for a while...
I hope America heals!!!!!
 
rgp said:
Well, if they indeed prove that ? Then they are all criminals , and I do hope they are prosecuted as such.
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How about they get arrested in the same manner as George Floyd with law enforcement kneeling on their necks until they die ? Who needs a court procedure… 🥺
(not serious) ...just wonder how others would view it
 
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MsFox said:
I think new evidence released today clearly shows this was a hit. I think the 4 officers involved were into counterfeiting or money laundering and Floyd was working with them as a runner and something went wrong so he was set up and then killed. Look at the videos by the Park officer body cam. There was a lot of discussion with Floyd after he was handcuffed and he was moved from place to place and finally behind the police car where he was slowly killed. I suspect in time the charge with be 1st-degree murder.
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What new evidence? What are your reputable sources?

Time to get my tinfoil hat out again.
 
peppermint said:
When this happened, I couldn't understand that the officer kept this poor man choked whole....I couldn't let go of the channel when the police
man was holding the man down....I was praying for him to let him go, take him in the police car, with the other 3 policemen....
That's all he had to do....The poor man died in the cops choke hole....I was yelling at the TV....I don't care if the guy was robbing something or
if he said something to the cop....It was an awful moment for this man to die like that....
I don't go into crowds to make a mockery of this whole incident...Yes the police man should be in Prison....I don't know much about the other's..
Even though they should.ve told that (a hole) to put the man in the police car...But they didn't do anything..
I feel for the family.....And I prayed today when I was watching the momorial….
I'm sorry, I don't like crowds....Please just keep the family in your prayers, if you pray,
I don't like what is going on now and it's not going to go away for a while...
I hope America heals!!!!!
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America will heal.

There are 328 plus million people in the USA. In comparison, how many protestors are there? 1000 people in Utah rioted, once. How many states don’t have protestors or rioters? How many people just don’t care about these issues? How many people are bored with the subject? How many people think is just a TV event, like the virus, not really real?

How many people don’t care about the bigger states and their on going issues? How many people just go about their lives agreeing or disagreeing with what’s happening but realizing it’s just another dead man. A man they didn’t know. A man they don’t care about.

I would bet millions of people.

How many people on this forum are/were willing to let the virus kill millions? Several? How many protestors will die due to the virus? How many people will get sick? There may be a cure for the virus, there will never be a cure for racism.

Things will change over time for better or worst. Then things will change, again, over time for better or worst. All this blah blah blah will have been a way to pass the time, another page in a history book that the next generation will not study. Life goes on.

But the USA will recover. Life will go on. Even this shall pass.
 

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