George Floyd was a victim

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Watch this several times and make notes on what you see. What about the others that were taken out of the police car? Why was Floyd singled out? There is way more to this case than just the one video of the killing. The facts are never revealed in a rush to judgment.
I must admit that I am becoming bored with the obsession over this case. What we think doesn‘t matter, it will settle out of court or go to a jury trial. The jury can take notes. The back and forth efforts of forum members to convince each other that they are right is pointless, as usual. Our minds are made up.

Lets wait for the investigate, the trial, and the sentencing. Then we can disagree about the outcome. 😂
 

No it hasn't been proven that the money was counterfeit. A guilty man would have fled, an innocent man has no need to run. So yes he could have been checking social media.
Exactly. It hasn’t been proven that he was using counterfeit money. Apparently these were kids who made the ‘assumption’ that it was counterfeit and called the police.
Floyd and the police officer used to work as security guards at the same nightclub last year. Maybe this cop had a personal vendetta against Floyd for reasons unknown to any of us.

What surprises me most about this entire thread are the people who keep trying to justify the barbaric treatment of this man.

At first it was that he shouldn’t have resisted arrest. He didn’t. There’s plenty of video footage to prove this from various sources. Since they didn’t like that answer they claimed that video could have been docked or fixed. Not if all the video(S) match up.

Then it was asked if he actually said he couldn’t breathe. Yes ! Fifteen times. Then it was suggested that nobody else saw this. Yes! The videos show many onlookers saying it. Then it was stated that if he can talk , he can breathe. How do they know? Do they have personal experience being choked to death?
According to professionals people can still mumble things while being choked and clearly he was. He died from it.

Then there was the comments that he fell while being transported to the ambulance. He was already dead so not sure how that was even relevant.

At first they said they’d wait to find out the autopsy report so a private one was done by the family. Since that could be bias they wanted to wait for the one done by the government. The results were the same.

Then they said they ‘d wait until it was investigated by the proper authorities so it was and the police officer was at first arrested with manslaughter and third degree murder which got upgraded to second degree murder.

Then they said the policeman was just using proper procedure so the actual manual was shown as well as information proving he didn’t use proper procedure. ALL the evidence proves that which is why there is such outrage.

Then when all else fails they fall back to the fact that he was a criminal and was using counterfeit money. They don’t know that. None of us do. For all we know this could have been a huge lie and we won’t ever know.

Then they looked up his background and discover he’s been to jail and done his time for the crimes he committed which has nothing to do with him getting murdered. He did his time. It’s irrelevant what he’s done in the past especially if he’s already been punished for it.

Now since there’s nothing else to condemn him for , they throw in the fact that if this was a white person, it wouldn’t have even made the news.
No! Probably not because the white person would have still been alive.
It’s a proven fact that black people ARE discriminated against and always have been. A black person is 20 times more likely to get shot at and killed for things done that a white person doing the same thing, wouldn’t.

Just look at the man who got hunted down and shot like a dangerous wild animal by vigilantes while he was jogging. The reason: he stopped at a construction site to have a look at what was being built.
There were cameras there to show he didn’t do a thing wrong. He didn’t steal, he didn’t vandalize or write graffiti on the walks and the owner didn’t care and refused to press charges knowing full well that the man did nothing wrong. Oddly enough THAT in itself caused chaos amongst the racists who were just out for blood. Black blood.

If a white person stopped at a construction site to causally glance at the unfinished building which had no doors or windows, would they have been hunted down and killed while they were out jogging? Of course not? Even when the police were called by these vigilantes about this apparent trespassing, they didn’t care; especially once the discovered there was no break in and nothing stolen.

If it were a white personal suspected of using counterfeit money, would they be tracked down and murdered?
We don’t even know it was counterfeit money or just an excuse to cause trouble when there wasn’t any just like the black man jogging.
If he was that guilty he probably wouldn’t be out jogging and if Floyd was that guilty he probably wouldn’t be sitting in his car.

Then there’s the point made that on lookers never called the police while they witnessed a man get murdered.
Perhaps like the rest of us, nobody knew he was getting murdered until it was too late. Secondly there were three other cops right there. Why didn’t they stop him? Plus who is going to believe someone calling the police saying that four police officers are trying to murder a man?

It’s mind boggling that a man jogging who gets hunted down by vigilantes, shot and killed and a man who supposedly gets suspected of passing off counterfeit money who gets brutally murdered while under arrest, that the focus is on: what did they do to deserve it. These two were murdered for petty , possibly fabricated crimes yet they get scrutinized while the murderers are justified for their actions. It’s truly sickening.
 
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@Aneeda72 I am trying to convince no one, just get people to think beyond the one video and the rush to judgment. All I know is what I can see in the videos. You may watch them and get a completely different idea from me. My mind is not made up about any of this. I would love to be on the jury and hear the evidence. Here is another video
 

Why was the 3rd degree murder change changed to 2nd degree murder? Perhaps to avoid even more riots when the sentence does not satisfy the rioters/mobs/protestors? I have yet to hear one explanation. If anyone has please post it.
 
Exactly. It hasn’t been proven that he was using counterfeit money. Apparently these were kids who made the ‘assumption’ that it was counterfeit and called the police.
Floyd and the police officer used to work as security guards at the same nightclub last year. Maybe this cop had a personal vendetta against Floyd for reasons unknown to any of us.

What surprises me most about this entire thread are the people who keep trying to justify the barbaric treatment of this man.

At first it was that he shouldn’t have resisted arrest. He didn’t. There’s plenty of video footage to prove this from various sources. Since they didn’t like that answer they claimed that video could have been docked or fixed. Not if all the video(S) match up.

Then it was asked if he actually said he couldn’t breathe. Yes ! Fifteen times. Then it was suggested that nobody else saw this. Yes! The videos show many onlookers saying it. Then it was stated that if he can talk , he can breathe. How do they know? Do they have personal experience being choked to death?
According to professionals people can still mumble things while being choked and clearly he was. He died from it.

Then there was the comments that he fell while being transported to the ambulance. He was already dead so not sure how that was even relevant.

At first they said they’d wait to find out the autopsy report so a private one was done by the family. Since that could be bias they wanted to wait for the one done by the government. The results were the same.

Then they said they ‘d wait until it was investigated by the proper authorities so it was and the police officer was at first arrested with manslaughter and third degree murder which got upgraded to second degree murder.

Then they said the policeman was just using proper procedure so the actual manual was shown as well as information proving he didn’t use proper procedure. ALL the evidence proves that which is why there is such outrage.

Then when all else fails they fall back to the fact that he was a criminal and was using counterfeit money. They don’t know that. None of us do. For all we know this could have been a huge lie and we won’t ever know.

Then they looked up his background and discover he’s been to jail and done his time for the crimes he committed which has nothing to do with him getting murdered. He did his time. It’s irrelevant what he’s done in the past especially if he’s already been punished for it.

Now since there’s nothing else to condemn him for , they throw in the fact that if this was a white person, it wouldn’t have even made the news.
No! Probably not because the white person would have still been alive.
It’s a proven fact that black people ARE discriminated against and always have been. A black person is 20 times more likely to get shot at and killed for things done that a white person doing the same thing, wouldn’t.

Just look at the man who got hunted down and shot like a dangerous wild animal by vigilantes while he was jogging. The reason: he stopped at a construction site to have a look at what was being built.
There were cameras there to show he didn’t do a thing wrong. He didn’t steal, he didn’t vandalize or write graffiti on the walks and the owner didn’t care and refused to press charges knowing full well that the man did nothing wrong. Oddly enough THAT in itself caused chaos amongst the racists who were just out for blood. Black blood.

If a white person stopped at a construction site to causally glance at the unfinished building which had no doors or windows, would they have been hunted down and killed while they were out jogging? Of course not? Even when the police were called by these vigilantes about this apparent trespassing, they didn’t care; especially once the discovered there was no break in and nothing stolen.

If it were a white personal suspected of using counterfeit money, would they be tracked down and murdered?
We don’t even know it was counterfeit money or just an excuse to cause trouble when there wasn’t any just like the black man jogging.
If he was that guilty he probably wouldn’t be out jogging and if Floyd was that guilty he probably wouldn’t be sitting in his car.

Then there’s the point made that on lookers never called the police while they witnessed a man get murdered.
Perhaps like the rest of us, nobody knew he was getting murdered until it was too late. Secondly there were three other cops right there. Why didn’t they stop him? Plus who is going to believe someone calling the police saying that four police officers are trying to murder a man?

It’s mind boggling that a man jogging who gets hunted down by vigilantes, shot and killed and a man who supposedly gets suspected of passing off counterfeit money who gets brutally murdered while under arrest, that the focus is on: what did they do to deserve it. These two were murdered for petty , possibly fabricated crimes yet they get scrutinized while the murderers are justified for their actions. It’s truly sickening.
I agree with you 100%. Some people ignore whats right in front of them. And that has been happening for decades, which has led to protests. People are tired of and disgusted of the repeated senseless violence and killing of black people. Yes ALL LIVES MATTER!

***And the riots are mostly from outside instigators***
 
@Keesha I am not trying to justify the action of the officer killing him! In fact, as I have said I think it could be 1st-degree murder. If you watch the videos of the arrest nothing unusual about the police action until Floyd was singled out and moved to where he was killed. Any murder is barbaric and brutal. The treatment of Floyd up until he was singled out and taken to another spot for killing, there was nothing brutal or barbaric, just standard procedures of police in places of high crime. In any discussion, if we omit the necessary info to further our opinion, then that is wrong. There is no justification for killing a suspect unless the officer feels his life is in danger. This was clearly not the case here. Fact for whatever reason the one officer killed him by restricting his breathing. I cannot compare this killing to those that have died from hours of torture, things like hands cut off, stabs to the abdomen, dragged behind a vehicle, staked out in the hot sun, burned at the stake, etc. We paint these pictures in the minds of others when we use words like barbaric. The only act of police brutality in this murder was the officer applying continued excessive knee pressure for way too much time and the other officers not pulling him off. I read an article where the writer says Floyd was beaten down with batons for no reason. That article, since removed, help fuel violence against entire communities that had nothing to do with police brutality or corruption. America is being painted as a racist barbaric country with all corrupt police that deserves to be burned. A few bad apples don't justify burning the orchard. Words are powerful.
 
Why was the 3rd degree murder change changed to 2nd degree murder? Perhaps to avoid even more riots when the sentence does not satisfy the rioters/mobs/protestors? I have yet to hear one explanation. If anyone has please post it.
Evidence that the officer's actions were intentional and led to Floyd's death. It is the law. If they can prove it was preplanned, then it will go 1st degree. If this was a hit then it will be 1st degree for all of the officers.
 
@Keesha I am not trying to justify the action of the officer killing him! In fact, as I have said I think it could be 1st-degree murder. If you watch the videos of the arrest nothing unusual about the police action until Floyd was singled out and moved to where he was killed. Any murder is barbaric and brutal. The treatment of Floyd up until he was singled out and taken to another spot for killing, there was nothing brutal or barbaric, just standard procedures of police in places of high crime. In any discussion, if we omit the necessary info to further our opinion, then that is wrong. There is no justification for killing a suspect unless the officer feels his life is in danger. This was clearly not the case here. Fact for whatever reason the one officer killed him by restricting his breathing. I cannot compare this killing to those that have died from hours of torture, things like hands cut off, stabs to the abdomen, dragged behind a vehicle, staked out in the hot sun, burned at the stake, etc. We paint these pictures in the minds of others when we use words like barbaric. The only act of police brutality in this murder was the officer applying continued excessive knee pressure for way too much time and the other officers not pulling him off. I read an article where the writer says Floyd was beaten down with batons for no reason. That article, since removed, help fuel violence against entire communities that had nothing to do with police brutality or corruption. America is being painted as a racist barbaric country with all corrupt police that deserves to be burned. A few bad apples don't justify burning the orchard. Words are powerful.
I’m not talking about the riots afterwards . There’s plenty of threads to discuss that if you’d like MeAgain, JustMe.
 
OMG Did you not read this thread from the beginning?

This thread BEGAN with comments on his violent past, that he was far from perfect, that he’d done prison time, threatened a pregnant woman with a gun.

SO WHAT????? He was not being executed for his past crimes. He was being arrested for allegedly attempting to pass a counterfeit $20 bill, during which time a police officer knelt on his neck for almost 9 minutes, 2 minutes PAST the point where he became completely unresponsive. He was deprived of oxygen resulting in his death.

He was murdered.
I think the point is the media deliberately covers up stories. I seldom watch Fox but I did not see this story about Floyd anywhere. I would think Fox would have brought this to the front.
 
I agree with you 100%. Some people ignore whats right in front of them. And that has been happening for decades, which has led to protests. People are tired of and disgusted of the repeated senseless violence and killing of black people. Yes ALL LIVES MATTER!

***And the riots are mostly from outside instigators***
How do we know this is a racially motivated murder? Where is the proof? The victim was black and the killing officer white, but TWO of the other officers were NON WHITE!
 
@Aneeda72 I am trying to convince no one, just get people to think beyond the one video and the rush to judgment. All I know is what I can see in the videos. You may watch them and get a completely different idea from me. My mind is not made up about any of this. I would love to be on the jury and hear the evidence. Here is another video
Oh, my mistake, sorry.

Yeah, at this point I’ve seen a few of them, you can’t avoid them. I waiting for the jury and the finish.
 
I think the point is the media deliberately covers up stories. I seldom watch Fox but I did not see this story about Floyd anywhere. I would think Fox would have brought this to the front.
The story was on CNN for as long as it took to show the video. Then, nothing. After all there is no money to made about a 75 year old white man being attacked. I googled and could only find it on ABC news. But had he been black. Well, we can all do the math.

I never watch FOX news but I love their tv programs. 😂
 
NO. Just...no.

In most cases I would heartily agree with you. In THIS case, I vehemently OPPOSE that statement. Context has no bearing WHATEVER. It is inconsequential to what happened, and doesn't, or at least shouldn't, influence one's viewpoint about this.

I have yet to find even ONE statement that conflicts with the facts of the case, facts which so far everyone agrees with.

Mr. Floyd was black
He was detained by police, and his hands were cuffed behind his back.
He was not actively resisting arrest
He was on the ground, on his stomach, with his hands still handcuffed behind him
Mr. Chauvin knelt on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes 46 seconds
Mr. Floyd was heard stating repeatedly that he couldn't breathe.
Mr. Chauvin did not remove his knee even after Mr. Floyd lost consciousness.
Mr. Chauvin continued to kneel on George Floyd's neck for a full minute after paramedics arrived at the scene.
Mr. Floyd died while Mr. Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.

These are uncontested statements. Video footage, eyewitness statements, surveillance tapes confirm all of these points.

Neither Mr. Floyd's criminal record nor the numerous complaints against Officer Chauvin change the undisputed facts.
 
@Aneeda72 I am trying to convince no one, just get people to think beyond the one video and the rush to judgment. All I know is what I can see in the videos. You may watch them and get a completely different idea from me. My mind is not made up about any of this. I would love to be on the jury and hear the evidence. Here is another video
how on earth can you take any kind of evidence from a video that's been so heavily edited?
 
Ronni, I wasn't replying to your posts. I was replying to the post about cops somehow going easier on white mass murderers than on black mass murderers, which is BS.
 
how on earth can you take any kind of evidence from a video that's been so heavily edited?
That is the job of the investigators and jury that will watch them in their entirety with nothing blacked out. What we are shown in all the videos, along with both autopsy reports, they all agree that he died from lack of oxygen, not from beating, broken bones, being tasered, punched, head slammed against the wall or other forms of police violence we have seen in other cases of black arrest by officers of all races. The problem is by the time the facts are revealed our country is still left with damage from the aftermath and very few will care about the facts whatever they are.
 
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How do we know this is a racially motivated murder? Where is the proof? The victim was black and the killing officer white, but TWO of the other officers were NON WHITE!
How do we know it wasn't? Where's the proof?
Have other motives been exposed and I've missed hearing of them?
 
How do we know it wasn't? Where's the proof?
Have other motives been exposed and I've missed hearing of them?
Yes, lots of motives have been exposed, but none have any more proof than the racial motive. We DON"T know it wasn't, but everything I am seeing and hearing is it has already been judged as such. Is that justice when we have no proof it was? It should not be lumped in with proved racial killing, because if it proves not to be, the minds of the people have already been influenced and saying, disregard that idea is not heard. I have been on a few murder cases as a juror, one presented as racial that proved not to be so the accused got off on lesser charges because the prosecution's case was built on that as a motive.

Just announced this morning the killing of Arbery, the black man jogger, now has proof it was a racial murder. It took several months to get this evidence. See my point? Rushing to judgment over the tones of one's skin has never served justice. Accusing black men of rape in the early 1900's was not unusual and they were lynched by angry mobs without trial. In cases where the baby was born white, these injustices were quickly forgotten. My father witnessed one such lynching and knew the black man was not guilty because the pregnant girl had been seeing a white man. He was told to shut up or die.

This is where a rush to judgment and mob action leads. Look at the USA cities and the black people murdered and businesses destroyed as a result of this rush to judgment over a white officer killing a black suspect. I say don't decide this is racial until solid evidence is presented. Remember the rush to judgment in the Smollett case? Then it proved to be a hoax and then all is forgotten. How many more people will die and lives and businesses destroyed over this rush to judgment?
 
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Why was the 3rd degree murder change changed to 2nd degree murder? Perhaps to avoid even more riots when the sentence does not satisfy the rioters/mobs/protestors? I have yet to hear one explanation. If anyone has please post it.

Here is the video of AG Ellison explaining it on ABC news program Good Morning America on June 4:


You may have to copy and paste the location into your browser and then select "Minnesota AG explains new charges."
 
No ones "feelings" should enter into anything , concerning this incident . Check your emotions at the door. Deal in facts only.
I dealt with ALL the major facts you and others had issues with regarding this case. Post # 153 on this page which you disregarded since it didn’t fit in with your beliefs.

Some people choose to wear blinders and dismiss factual evidence and common sense.

You think you left your feelings out of this debate ? Do you think you left your feelings out of the debate we had about the Japanese where you stated that everyone hated them? Did you suddenly stop hating that race?

Hate is a powerful emotion . When people are filled with hate , they don’t want to accept it so they blame everyone else for how they feel.

Yes, surprisingly HATE IS an emotion. It’s just not a warm and fuzzy one.
 
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