George Floyd was a victim

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Keesha said:
I dealt with ALL the major facts you and others had issues with regarding this case. Post # 153 on this page which you disregarded since it didn’t fit in with your beliefs.

Some people choose to wear blinders and dismiss factual evidence and common sense.

You think you left your feelings out of this debate ? Do you think you left your feelings out of the debate we had about the Japanese where you stated that everyone hated them? Did you suddenly stop hating that race?

Hate is a powerful emotion . When people are filled with hate , they don’t want to accept it so they blame everyone else for how they feel.

Yes, surprisingly HATE IS an emotion. It’s just not a warm and fuzzy one.
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"Do you think you left your feelings out of the debate we had about the Japanese where you stated that everyone hated them? Did you suddenly stop hating that race? "

I never said a thing about me hating anyone. When I mentioned hatred for the Japanese, there was indeed virtual nationwide hatred at the time. As time progressed, that feeling lessened.

Now, that said, I do not see where [that] & this have any connection ? But if you do ? as it appears .... I'll not waste my time trying to convince you [& others] differently.
 

JimBob1952 said:
Look up

John Allen Muhammad
Lee Boyd Malvo
Dwight Lamon Jones
Willie Cory Godbolt
Colin Ferguson
Nathan Dunlap

All mass shooters/serial killers, all arrested, all black.

And please keep in mind that black people, while constituting only about 12 percent of the population, commit more than half of all violent crimes. This leads to a disproportionate number of encounters with the police and a disproportionate number of adverse events.

The George Floyd episode was tragic and the officers should be prosecuted, but a little context is helpful.
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win231 said:
Some people would support anything any cop does (as I stated previously).
But I'm still waiting patiently for anyone to justify killing a handcuffed suspect.
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There is no justified reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. Floyd was on drugs at the time of the arrest and has a long violent criminal history. Floyd was a large strong man and fentanyl increases that power. Defense attorneys will pose the question ... was it the pressure of the knee that alone killed Floyd or was it his already inhibited breathing because he was high on fentanyl and meth and the pressure applied restricted it further. George Floyd was a career criminal that once robbed a black pregnant lady and held a handgun to her belly. He has a very long and violent rap sheet over many years. If you watch the videos I posted previously, you can see him drop a bag of drugs, or what appears to be drugs. If you watch all the videos now surfacing, it is clear that Floyd was becoming violent and the officers had to take him down. Yes, I agree there is no reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. With new evidence surfacing, I am torn whether the officer intended to kill him or just got carried away trying to get Floyd calmed down. If Floyd and the officer were not involved in a drug ring and this was a hit, then was the killing intentional or accidental, that is the question for the jury to decide after hearing all the evidence. All the outrage and insanity happening is based on one short cell phone video and now with many security, police cam, and other videos surfacing, the real facts are being ignored. Floyd has already been crowned an innocent man, a gentle giant, a victim of racial hate, and a hero, a martyr for justice.
 
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rgp said:
No ones "feelings" should enter into anything , concerning this incident . Check your emotions at the door. Deal in facts only.
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This is funny coming from the person who ignored the facts and said:

"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"
(Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
 
MsFox said:
There is no justified reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. Floyd was on drugs at the time of the arrest and has a long violent criminal history. Floyd was a large strong man and fentanyl increases that power. Defense attorneys will pose the question ... was it the pressure of the knee that alone killed Floyd or was it his already inhibited breathing because he was high on fentanyl and meth and the pressure applied restricted it further. George Floyd was a career criminal that once robbed a black pregnant lady and held a handgun to her belly. He has a very long and violent rap sheet over many years. If you watch the videos I posted previously, you can see him drop a bag of drugs, or what appears to be drugs. If you watch all the videos now surfacing, it is clear that Floyd was becoming violent and the officers had to take him down. Yes, I agree there is no reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. With new evidence surfacing, I am torn whether the officer intended to kill him or just got carried away trying to get Floyd calmed down. If Floyd and the officer were not involved in a drug ring and this was a hit, then was the killing intentional or accidental, that is the question for the jury to decide after hearing all the evidence. All the outrage and insanity happening is based on one short cell phone video and now with many security, police cam, and other videos surfacing, the real facts are being ignored. Floyd has already been crowned an innocent man, a gentle giant, a victim of racial hate, and a hero, a martyr for justice.
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The same excuse was quoted by a juror in the first trial for the officers who beat Rodney King - "He was a powerful man." That worked in the first Simi Valley trial (known as "Racist Cop Land") but it didn't work in the second Federal Court trial.
 
Nate007 said:
This is funny coming from the person who ignored the facts and said:

"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"
(Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
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How is that emotions, on my part ? How is it not a fact, that he should have ?
 
MsFox said:
There is no justified reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. Floyd was on drugs at the time of the arrest and has a long violent criminal history. Floyd was a large strong man and fentanyl increases that power. Defense attorneys will pose the question ... was it the pressure of the knee that alone killed Floyd or was it his already inhibited breathing because he was high on fentanyl and meth and the pressure applied restricted it further. George Floyd was a career criminal that once robbed a black pregnant lady and held a handgun to her belly. He has a very long and violent rap sheet over many years. If you watch the videos I posted previously, you can see him drop a bag of drugs, or what appears to be drugs. If you watch all the videos now surfacing, it is clear that Floyd was becoming violent and the officers had to take him down. Yes, I agree there is no reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. With new evidence surfacing, I am torn whether the officer intended to kill him or just got carried away trying to get Floyd calmed down. If Floyd and the officer were not involved in a drug ring and this was a hit, then was the killing intentional or accidental, that is the question for the jury to decide after hearing all the evidence. All the outrage and insanity happening is based on one short cell phone video and now with many security, police cam, and other videos surfacing, the real facts are being ignored. Floyd has already been crowned an innocent man, a gentle giant, a victim of racial hate, and a hero, a martyr for justice.
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Why is it that you start your post saying that ‘there’s no justifiable reason for killing a handcuffed suspect’ yet go on and on with all the justification for doing so. There WAS no calming the suspect down???? He calmly surrendered and oddly enough in another post which you wrote, you said just that. You claimed you saw a video of George and the police officer chatting calming like they were friends. Have you suddenly forgotten that part or just merely dismissed it cause it doesn’t fit your agenda of nailing this guy? Was death not enough for you?
 
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I am torn whether the officer intended to kill him or just got carried away trying to get Floyd calmed down.
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Oh come on now, MsFox, you surely aren't saying that with a straight face?

This is beginning to sound like that Monty Python skit where the guy tries to return the dead parrot to the pet store for a refund, and the clerk is dancing all around the obvious truth, saying the bird is not dead, with excuses like, "Maybe he's just tired," "He's just resting,"

Carried away, trying to get Floyd calmed down? For 9 minutes with his knee on the man's throat?
 
MsFox said:
Go on YouTube and watch the videos from the Park City officer's body cam where they moved Floyd around and were talking to him in what appears a calm manner. This wasn't a regular arrest for passing counterfeit money. Very strange behavior and a bit too friendly, even Floyd's voice was calm saying he couldn't breathe. I don't think he had any idea they were going to kill him or he wouldn't have been so cooperative.
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This post here you go on to say how calm everything was. You complain that it wasn’t a regular arrest for passing counterfeit money? It was very strange calm behaviour that was too calm and friendly for your liking. Even Floyd’s voice was CALM while he was choking to death?

You didn’t think he had any idea they were going to kill him or he wouldn’t have been SO COOPERATIVE!!!

First off how do you know it was counterfeit money? Were you there personally to get a glimpse and feel of the money? Are you an counterfeit money expert ? Oddly enough nobody else knew this but some how you did.

2/.Secondly? Make up your mind about his demeanour. At first he was too calm for your liking even while he was being choked to death. Even his voice was too calm while he said he couldn’t breathe. Seriously?

When someone’s brutally cutting off your oxygen in a violent manner, you can’t yell out. You don’t have enough air to yell out for help but he STILL DID 15 TIMES! You then write that ‘after the officer settled him down’; two conflicting points of view.

Was this man’s murder not violent enough for you ?
 
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MsFox said:
There is no justified reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. Floyd was on drugs at the time of the arrest and has a long violent criminal history. Floyd was a large strong man and fentanyl increases that power. Defense attorneys will pose the question ... was it the pressure of the knee that alone killed Floyd or was it his already inhibited breathing because he was high on fentanyl and meth and the pressure applied restricted it further. George Floyd was a career criminal that once robbed a black pregnant lady and held a handgun to her belly. He has a very long and violent rap sheet over many years. If you watch the videos I posted previously, you can see him drop a bag of drugs, or what appears to be drugs. If you watch all the videos now surfacing, it is clear that Floyd was becoming violent and the officers had to take him down. Yes, I agree there is no reason for killing a handcuffed suspect. With new evidence surfacing, I am torn whether the officer intended to kill him or just got carried away trying to get Floyd calmed down. If Floyd and the officer were not involved in a drug ring and this was a hit, then was the killing intentional or accidental, that is the question for the jury to decide after hearing all the evidence. All the outrage and insanity happening is based on one short cell phone video and now with many security, police cam, and other videos surfacing, the real facts are being ignored. Floyd has already been crowned an innocent man, a gentle giant, a victim of racial hate, and a hero, a martyr for justice.
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How many cops in your family?
 
Nate007 said:
The fact is that he surrendered. You ignored that fact just to push your own narrative.
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I never said he didn't ... although I still have my doubts, early on.. And IMO it still is not "emotion".

And now, you know my intent ? my thoughts ?
 
Keesha said:
Yep! There it is. 😒
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I stand by what I said....!

You can pick me apart all ya like .... that does not change the facts.

One; I do not believe that officer set out that day to kill anyone. Two; I'm not convinced we have seen all the video(s)

And I still say that if a person is engaged with the police, in an arrest situation. Surrender to the arrest , fight it out in court ...... unless of course that person is guilty of ??? and doesn't want to go to court, or even be taken in for questioning.
 
rgp said:
I stand by what I said....!

You can pick me apart all ya like .... that does not change the facts.

One; I do not believe that officer set out that day to kill anyone. Two; I'm not convinced we have seen all the video(s)

And I still say that if a person is engaged with the police, in an arrest situation. Surrender to the arrest , fight it out in court ...... unless of course that person is guilty of ??? and doesn't want to go to court, or even be taken in for questioning.
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Yes you can say what you want but you said you didn’t say something and you clearly did which we proved. He wasn’t resisting arrest. Nowhere do you see him resisting arrest and he never got the chance to fight the charges. He was killed by someone not following procedure which AGAIN is why the villain got arrested along with his side kicks.
 
Keesha said:
Yes you can say what you want but you said you didn’t say something and you clearly did which we proved. He wasn’t resisting arrest. Nowhere do you see him resisting arrest and he never got the chance to fight the charges. He was killed by someone not following procedure which AGAIN is why the villain got arrested along with his side kicks.
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You can say what you want....and I will stand by what I said.
 
"Minneapolis was among several cities that had policies on the books requiring police officers to intervene to stop colleagues from using unreasonable force, but that didn’t save George Floyd and law enforcement experts say such rules will always run up against entrenched police culture and the fear of being ostracized and branded a “rat.”
Power dynamics may have been magnified in the Floyd case because two of the four officers involved were rookies and the most senior officer on the scene was a training officer, Derek Chauvin, a 19-year police veteran who was seen putting his knee on the back of the black man’s neck despite his cries that he couldn’t breathe.

Even though lawyers for the rookie officers say both men voiced their concerns about Chauvin’s actions in the moment, they ultimately failed to stop him. Chauvin is now charged with second-degree murder, and his three fellow officers are charged with aiding and abetting.

“This is a lesson for every cop in America: If you see something that is wrong, you need to step in,” said Joseph Giacalone, a former New York police sergeant who now teaches at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “There are a lot of gray areas in policing, but this was crystal clear. … You’re better off being ostracized by the group than going to prison for murder.”

Added Andrew Scott, a former Boca Raton, Florida, police chief who testifies in use-of-force cases: “They’re suffering the effects of an organizational culture that doesn’t allow that or reward that behavior. The fraternity of law enforcement is a tight fraternity and fraternities have a group think.”
 
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