George Floyd was a victim

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Keesha said:
He didn’t resist arrest. There was far more than one video of him being arrested and not one showed aggressiveness on HIS part. The only aggression showed was from law enforcement. You know, the people who serve and protect which again, is why they ( all four of them, have been charged and rightly so).
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No offence to your being honest, but I'd have to see the videos.
 

Keesha said:
If it was approved proceedure they followed he wouldn’t be dead, unless it allows police officers the right to kill citizens. ( which we all know it doesn’t )
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C'on Keesha ..... the pages from the training manual have been posted here .... and it is clearly in there.
 
Knight said:
Floyd didn't live long enough to be tried by the justice system for criminal activity. Innocent until proven guilty is still the presumption.
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I never said that he was guilty of a crime .... I said he involved himself in a criminal activity .... as noted by the person he passed the bills too. That's when the police are called.
 

Ronni said:
NO NO NO.

What brought about his death is a police officer kneeling on his neck and cutting off his air supply for almost 9 minutes while three other officers of the law watched.

The mandate of law enforcement is to PROTECT AND SERVE. Derek Chauvin was neither protecting nor serving the public. He was brutalizing Mr. Floyd. It is NOT in Chauvin's job description to act as jury and executioner. We have a justice system that DOES NOT ALLOW for summary execution by police.

We have a justice system and process for a reason, and it’s NOT so that cops get to decide who they’re gonna kill today based on a person’s prior record! Period, end of discussion. ALL other arguments are null and void.
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Had he not been suspected of being involved in a criminal activity ......... the police would never have been called.
 
win231 said:
There is no crime any police officer commits that you wouldn't justify. Typical nonsense from those with family in law enforcement.
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So now you think you can read my mind ?

And I have told you before, I have no family in law enforcement , never did. Again, I have told you before, I have no family.
 
RGP and others who have responded in a similar manner, to the tune of IF he hadn't been a criminal, IF wasn't committing a crime, If he hadn't been bad in the past etc, you are all BLAMING THE VICTIM. It's the VICTIMS's fault, because......

VICTIM BLAMING marginalizes the victim and minimizes the criminal act. It causes the victim, and NOT the perpetrator, to be held accountable for what happened to them.

Victim-blaming originates from ignorance, meanness, or a smug sense of superiority. It is a bias that makes it seem like the victims of a crime, accident, or other misfortune should have been able to predict and prevent whatever problem might have befallen them.

Blaming the victim suggests that people should have simply known or expected such things to happen given their past or current behavior.

Victim blaming seeks to deflect, by various means, the responsibility of the act from the perpetrator, and directly onto the victim. It is a cowardly, irresponsible response and says far more about the person doing the blaming than it does the victim.
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I absolutely agree, Ronni. Once we go down the slippery slope of blaming the victim, where does it stop? What if the guy was guilty of jaywalking? What if he took a bite of a candy bar he had in his pocket, while in the subway? (Yes, that's against the law in D.C. They arrested a little girl for eating while on the Metro.) What if he/she answered the police in a sassy way, and the cop decided that this was disrespectful and threatening? And so on.

Does a person have to be as pure as the driven snow in order to be protected by our Constitution? If they ever did anything wrong, that's it, let's blame them for being murdered by a homicidal cop?
 
Sunny said:
I absolutely agree, Ronni. Once we go down the slippery slope of blaming the victim, where does it stop? What if the guy was guilty of jaywalking? What if he took a bite of a candy bar he had in his pocket, while in the subway? (Yes, that's against the law in D.C. They arrested a little girl for eating while on the Metro.) What if he/she answered the police in a sassy way, and the cop decided that this was disrespectful and threatening? And so on.

Does a person have to be as pure as the driven snow in order to be protected by our Constitution? If they ever did anything wrong, that's it, let's blame them for being murdered by a homicidal cop?
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Homicidal cop ? Really ? you know what is on that man's mind? 24/7. You just cannot conceive that it might have been an arrest procedure that went bad ? Really bad .... do you just have too see the "monster" in folks that do their best to protect you & I.

As for "victim" blaming? ......... for sure, I blame the "victim" anytime he is also the suspected criminal in the case.
 
I think new evidence released today clearly shows this was a hit. I think the 4 officers involved were into counterfeiting or money laundering and Floyd was working with them as a runner and something went wrong so he was set up and then killed. Look at the videos by the Park officer body cam. There was a lot of discussion with Floyd after he was handcuffed and he was moved from place to place and finally behind the police car where he was slowly killed. I suspect in time the charge with be 1st-degree murder.
 
MsFox said:
I think new evidence released today clearly shows this was a hit. I think the 4 officers involved were into counterfeiting or money laundering and Floyd was working with them as a runner and something went wrong so he was set up and then killed. Look at the videos by the Park officer body cam. There was a lot of discussion with Floyd after he was handcuffed and he was moved from place to place and finally behind the police car where he was slowly killed. I suspect in time the charge with be 1st-degree murder.
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Seriously? Please cite your sources.
 
rgp said:
Homicidal cop ? Really ? you know what is on that man's mind? 24/7. You just cannot conceive that it might have been an arrest procedure that went bad ? Really bad .... do you just have too see the "monster" in folks that do their best to protect you & I.

As for "victim" blaming? ......... for sure, I blame the "victim" anytime he is also the suspected criminal in the case.
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IMO, YES, and with "folks" like that, society doesn't need their so called protection or their services.
 
MsFox said:
I think new evidence released today clearly shows this was a hit. I think the 4 officers involved were into counterfeiting or money laundering and Floyd was working with them as a runner and something went wrong so he was set up and then killed. Look at the videos by the Park officer body cam. There was a lot of discussion with Floyd after he was handcuffed and he was moved from place to place and finally behind the police car where he was slowly killed. I suspect in time the charge with be 1st-degree murder.
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Well, if they indeed prove that ? Then they are all criminals , and I do hope they are prosecuted as such.
 
StarSong said:
Seriously? Please cite your sources.
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Go on YouTube and watch the videos from the Park City officer's body cam where they moved Floyd around and were talking to him in what appears a calm manner. This wasn't a regular arrest for passing counterfeit money. Very strange behavior and a bit too friendly, even Floyd's voice was calm saying he couldn't breathe. I don't think he had any idea they were going to kill him or he wouldn't have been so cooperative.
 
rgp said:
Yes, I approve of the methods & procedures used by police , as taught too them in their training, until it proves to need reconsideration .... as it appears to here. They are the ones we hire [through our vote] to protect us.
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You're focusing too much on whether a procedure is approved or not, and ignoring the context of this particular situation. By your logic, if a person is caught stealing a store item, and said person is then restrained by several cops and THEN lethal methods are being used for no good reason, then you're all fine by it. As long as it's an approved method.
 
From JB in SC post #111 in the rioting & looting thread ................

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From the Washington Post,

995 were killed by police in 2018

403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.

Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown.

About 10,000,000 people are arrested each year, amazing there are not more killed.

What has always been disconcerting to any person is the amount of civilian on civilian homicides in some of these cities.
 
Nate007 said:
You're focusing too much on whether a procedure is approved or not, and ignoring the context of this particular situation. By your logic, if a person is caught stealing a store item, and said person is then restrained by several cops and THEN lethal methods are being used for no good reason, then you're all fine by it. As long as it's an approved method.
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Please do not put words in my mouth ..... All I am saying about the procedure is ...... if it is approved & taught in training. Then it is acceptable in use, until it is proven no longer acceptable. Which appears to be the case here.
 
rgp said:
Please do not put words in my mouth ..... All I am saying about the procedure is ...... if it is approved & taught in training. Then it is acceptable in use, until it is proven no longer acceptable. Which appears to be the case here.
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It's hardly putting words in your mouth. I'm just following your logic, where an approved method is condoned, no matter the context.
 
rgp said:
C'on Keesha ..... the pages from the training manual have been posted here .... and it is clearly in there.
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In the manual it states that IF the suspect is resisting arrest then any of these holds can be applied. The choke hold and neck restraints are saved as deadly restraints meant only for passive aggressive to the most aggressive.

Choke hold is for the most aggressive suspects who are violently resisting arrest.

Neck Restraint is for the passive aggressive and is done by compressing both sides of the neck WITHOUT APPLYING DIRECT PRESSURE to the TRACHEA!

This restraint is used to control a conscious subject but NOT RENDER THEM UNCONSCIOUS by applying light to moderate pressure.

It gives clear instructions on when to use them and how to use them which was completely ignored.

The subject didn’t resist arrest in the least and consistently showed compliance and respect right to his very last dying breathe while he said for the 15th time, “I can’t breathe officer.”

After any of these neck holds are used the officer using such force needs to carefully monitor the subject.

Light to moderate pressure at the sides of his neck NOT KNEELING on his neck! If the subject keeps repeating that they can’t breathe, then it’s REALLY CLEAR that it wasn’t ‘light to moderate’ pressure.

If this technique must be used then the subject needs to be monitored.
Did anyone see or hear any monitoring of the police officer?
Did anyone witness any human concern whatsoever about this black man’s very life?

NO!!! There was ZERO concern.
This man was NOT following procedure. OVER EIGHT MINUTES passed by and the ONLY look on this police officers face was one of sheer arrogant pride like one of this trophy hunters who just killed their prey.

Like I mentioned in another post, if anyone sees justifiable reason why this man was murdered in cold blood by those who serve and protect, then they have their own personal AXE to GRIND.
 
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Watch the Park City officer body cam videos and you can see clearly this wasn't a brutal arrest. A lot of time passed from when he was arrested and in handcuffs until he was killed. It all seems a bit too calm and convenient for me, but that is just my opinion. Why was he not on the ground until he got behind the car and why didn't this video taker start at the beginning of the arrest? I think a lot more evidence will come out in time, but some may require witness protection before testifying. Yes, this case has so many layers I expect it will last a long time.
 
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MsFox said:
Watch the Park City officer body cam videos and you can see clearly this wasn't a brutal arrest. A lot of time passed from when he was arrested and in handcuffs until he was killed. It all seems a bit too calm and convenient for me, but that is just my opinion. Why was he not on the ground until he got behind the car and why didn't this video taker start at the beginning of the arrest? I think a lot more evidence will come out in time, but some may require witness protection before testifying. Yes, this case has so many layers I expect it will last a long time.
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I think a lot of this speculation is based on the fact that Floyd and the officer charged with his murder worked at the same nightclub. No evidence yet that they knew each other. Much will come out at trial.

The question now is whether state District Attorney Keith Ellison -- a race-baiting rabble-rouser if ever one lived -- will seek conviction or deliberately blow the case in hopes of getting a "not guilty" verdict and more rioting. Ellison, of course, was accused of abusing his life partner. He's a Muslim convert and a Farrakhan devotee, photographed in 2017 happily clutching a copy of The Antifa Handbook.

Sounds like just the man to handle the case.
 
I read a police Chief said that that particular hold used on George Floyd is a specific move in which all officers are told to only use as a last resort and never for more than 2 minutes due to the very real danger of causing death.

Also..I don't know if this has been addressed in these many posts on several threads.. but since when did potentially passing a fake $10 dollar note become a matter for 4 police officers?

look at this...

 

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