Gun madness but thankfully no-one killed.

Dame Warrigal said:
Plainly, the young man was very scared. He made the mistake of setting out without extra fuel and was running out of petrol. That's why he was driving slowly. He thought it would save fuel. Any decent person who came across him in those circumstances would offer help but the 53 yr old nut case played silly buggers by overtaking him, slowing down, then hitting the brakes, thereby causing the rear end collision himself. For whatever reason the young man panicked and drove away at speed, only to be pursued down a lonely road by a man waving a pistol. Eventually bullets started to fly. This is a Mad Max scenario in real life.

Luckily so-one was hurt. I will try to keep up with the trial but it happened in South Australia and our newspapers in NSW are not likely to give it much coverage. However, Mr Google will reveal all if I ask nicely.
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So the 53 year old is the one with the wife and gun, right? They are ass-ended by a guy that is low on fuel, and driving slowly? How is the 53 year old supposed to help him if he takes off at high speed, like hit and run? I missed something in this thread. I didn't see where the 53 year old came up behind him first, and passed him, then hit his breaks to cause the rear-end. Ok, I'll go read some more. Maybe it was in that "second" scenario. This second one I am still not in favor of the 53 year old though. If the other story is what happened, he is an ass for sure. Have I succeeded in confusing anyone else? I hope so cause I hate to be confused alone, LOL!!
 

NWlady said:
So the 53 year old is the one with the wife and gun, right?
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Right, it's the 53 year old that the police have charged with attempted murder, not the young man.
I've posted several links earlier and there are differences in the reports but the case is before the High Court of SA now and most of what I've posted earlier is supposedly from the mouth of the 53 yo with the gun. Make that 3 guns.

I was particularly intrigued by him saying that he never meant to hurt the young man because then he would have an out of control car in front of him. Very strange morality in that sentence although you can't fault his logic.
 

You did have everything posted Dame;) I just didn't read it all, or read it all right. Even in the instance where he said someone pulled up and smacked him and his wife, he was wrong imo. I mean, he says the guy took off, ok, so report it, but he added to the "alleged" crime by chasing the guy down. You know it may have been one of those tailgate things too, man, people, including me get pissed off when someone tailgates you. The guy could have been trying to stay close so he wouldn't be stranded out there alone, or trying to get the guys attention.

Keep us posted on the case, I am curious what comes out in the trial etc.?? denise
 
On the day that my wife and I were leaving New York for Pennsylvania we were coming down Route 9 through a lot of small towns. Now, Rt. 9 is single-lane each way through these towns, with a solid yellow line indicating "Do Not Pass".

I was driving, wife sitting in passenger seat, and this yahoo comes barreling down behind me on my bumper, blowing his horn like he was Gabriel. I guess he was in a big hurry, because I was doing the speed limit and it must have offended some sense of freedom or right to exceed the speed limit that he had, because I could see him getting all worked up, cursing and gesticulating with his hands.

Well, me being me, I soon became tired of him tailgating and I tapped the brakes. I saw the hood of his car take a nosedive as he slammed on his brakes, then he accelerated to tailgate me again.

There we are driving at 35MPH through the quaint little towns bordering the Hudson River - Tarrytown, Ossining, Dobbs Ferry - and the pedestrians are treated to the spectacle of a red Toyota seeming to be attached to a black Corvette like a pilot fish to a whale. Mr. Yahoo finally can't take it anymore and decides to power around in front of me and cut me off.

Although my car was a convertible I had the top up and the windows rolled up (it was November and a little brisk), and Mr. Y came stomping back to my window huffing and puffing and cursing and screaming. I sat serenely staring at him, further enraging him in the process (ain't I a stinker?) until he totally lost it and performed the ONE action that I could never, ever forgive.

He spit on my Corvette. Right on the driver's-side window.

Now even though a 'Vette's body is made of fiberglass, the underlying framework is good ol' American steel. Recalling this, I slammed my door into Mr. Y's legs and was out of the car in a flash. Unfortunately he chose to stop his attack at that point as he was rolling around in the middle of Rt. 9, wailing and moaning about his poor legs. I got back into my car and drove off without comment, my wife's pale face the only indication that anything had ever happened.

It was a fitting goodbye to New York, a reminder of what daily life on the roads there was like.
 
SifuPhil said:
On the day that my wife and I were leaving New York for Pennsylvania we were coming down Route 9 through a lot of small towns. Now, Rt. 9 is single-lane each way through these towns, with a solid yellow line indicating "Do Not Pass".

I was driving, wife sitting in passenger seat, and this yahoo comes barreling down behind me on my bumper, blowing his horn like he was Gabriel. I guess he was in a big hurry, because I was doing the speed limit and it must have offended some sense of freedom or right to exceed the speed limit that he had, because I could see him getting all worked up, cursing and gesticulating with his hands.

Well, me being me, I soon became tired of him tailgating and I tapped the brakes. I saw the hood of his car take a nosedive as he slammed on his brakes, then he accelerated to tailgate me again.

There we are driving at 35MPH through the quaint little towns bordering the Hudson River - Tarrytown, Ossining, Dobbs Ferry - and the pedestrians are treated to the spectacle of a red Toyota seeming to be attached to a black Corvette like a pilot fish to a whale. Mr. Yahoo finally can't take it anymore and decides to power around in front of me and cut me off.

Although my car was a convertible I had the top up and the windows rolled up (it was November and a little brisk), and Mr. Y came stomping back to my window huffing and puffing and cursing and screaming. I sat serenely staring at him, further enraging him in the process (ain't I a stinker?) until he totally lost it and performed the ONE action that I could never, ever forgive.

He spit on my Corvette. Right on the driver's-side window.

Now even though a 'Vette's body is made of fiberglass, the underlying framework is good ol' American steel. Recalling this, I slammed my door into Mr. Y's legs and was out of the car in a flash. Unfortunately he chose to stop his attack at that point as he was rolling around in the middle of Rt. 9, wailing and moaning about his poor legs. I got back into my car and drove off without comment, my wife's pale face the only indication that anything had ever happened.

It was a fitting goodbye to New York, a reminder of what daily life on the roads there was like.
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You're divorced now right Phil:confused: I can't say I would have done it differently, I wasn't there. The one difference would have been, unlike you, I would not have gotten away with it, and I'd probably be writing you all from my prison cell. Would I still get my internet in jail? That's a biggy I'd be thinking about before I pulled something like that;)
 
nwlady said:
You're divorced now right Phil:confused:
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I prefer to think of it as emancipation, but yes, I am. :angel:

I can't say I would have done it differently, I wasn't there. The one difference would have been, unlike you, I would not have gotten away with it, and I'd probably be writing you all from my prison cell. Would I still get my internet in jail? That's a biggy I'd be thinking about before I pulled something like that;)
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Well, perhaps oddly enough my martial arts teacher (my Sifu) used to teach us self-defense from some very odd positions, and sitting in a car was thankfully one of them.

I wouldn't do a crime unless they had better than 5MB/sec. available in jail ... ;)
 
I'm actually surprised by this verdict. I would have thought they'd give him attempted manslaughter or misadventure or something like that. And now the story seems to have changed - that Anderson was doing the tailgating and ramming, not Walsh.

Thanks for the update, Warri.
 
:danger: Just avoid the Nullabor Plain, the Birdsville track and any road in the Northern Territory and you should be OK.

On second thoughts, fly everywhere. :bigwink:
 
Speaking of gun madness. Our laws may have been successful in curtailing gun massacres, they aren't much use against crazy old men with a licence to own a gun, like this 79 yo farmer at Croppa Creek near Moree in NSW

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-at-croppa-creek/story-fni0cx12-1227006466791

A STATE government environmental worker has been shot dead on a property at Croppa Creek, 65km north-east of Moree.
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Police said the man, 51, believed to be a father-of-six, was gunned down after he was serving a notice on an elderly man believed to be illegally clearing vegetation. Another worker was with the victim from the NSW Office of Environment and Heritage was understood to be in shock but is otherwise uninjured.

The elderly man had been served previous notices for illegal clearing on his property and around the Croppa Creek area.

Police and ambulance paramedics were called to the property, approximately 55km north of Moree on the Newell Highway, about 5.40pm. A post mortem examination will be conducted to officially determine how he died.

Police attached to Barwon Local Area Command are continuing inquiries to determine the events leading to the man’s death.

Just after 11pm last night, a 79-year-old Moree man was arrested at nearby property without incident. He was taken to Moree Police Station and is currently assisting with inquiries.

The shooting has followed recent prosecutions in the Land and Environment Court against at least one local landholder for an alleged breach of the Native Vegetation Act. It is alleged about 493 hectares of land was cleared illegally on two properties in the Croppa Creek area dating back to 2012.
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He had been charged with murder and remanded without bail.

Man, 79, charged with murdering environment officer after alleged shooting at Moree, NSW

By Lucy McNally



Photo: NSW environment officer Glen Turner was fatally shot on Tuesday. (Supplied by the Turner family.)



A farmer whose property had been at the centre of an illegal land-clearing dispute has been charged with murder after allegedly shooting dead an environment officer. Ian Robert Turnbull, 79, is accused of killing 51-year-old NSW Environment Department compliance and regulation officer Glen Turner at Croppa Creek, 55 kilometres north of Moree in northern New South Wales. Today the Moree Local Court was told Turnbull had been in a long-running dispute with the NSW Office of Environment and Heritage, and had a criminal history.

Illegal land-clearing on Turnbull's property was the subject of a case in the NSW Land and Environment Court this year. The victim, a father of two from Tamworth, had been in charge of some of Turnbull's matters before the court. Mr Turner had been serving a notice on a property near Talga Lane over the illegal clearing of land when Turnbull fired a number of shots towards him, with one hitting him in the back, the court was told. Turnbull was denied bail after the prosecution requested it be refused due to the seriousness of the charge.
He will be back in court on August 5.
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