Guy who says God sends natural disasters to punish gays has his home destroyed in a natural disaster

Some call it Karma the Bible says this:
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
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Galations 6:7

God will not be mocked. Don't wish something bad on people because you hate them.
 

Now wait, let me make sure I've got this right. Each natural disaster that occurs is earmarked as a punishment for a particular human "sin?" So floods are to punish the gays (all except this flood, as he got caught up in it); earthquakes are to punish, what, slothfulness? Gluttony? And so on?

I wonder, is there a web site out there that equates all the natural disasters with the appropriate sin? There should be; we wouldn't want to misunderstand and stop committing the wrong sin. For instance, what was bubonic plague a punishment for? Since that one has been pretty much wiped out, does that mean that its matching sin is now OK?

I need guidance in all this.
 

We gets me about God causing catastrophic floods, mega-earthquakes, epic hurricanes to get back at a few openly gay people means there is an ungodly amount of innocent death, loosing innocent dear ones, and untold destruction of innocent homes and property and livelihoods. How does God account for the overkill? If indeed God is accused of doing so, as Mr. Perkins preaches. Isn't God supposed to be infallible? So it's either God or Mr. Perkins, who is wrong?
 
fuzzybuddy said:
We gets me about God causing catastrophic floods, mega-earthquakes, epic hurricanes to get back at a few openly gay people means there is an ungodly amount of innocent death, loosing innocent dear ones, and untold destruction of innocent homes and property and livelihoods. How does God account for the overkill? If indeed God is accused of doing so, as Mr. Perkins preaches. Isn't God supposed to be infallible? So it's either God or Mr. Perkins, who is wrong?
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From what I've read on the subject (meaning: too much), 'they' claim all the innocent lives are lost because AMERICA is at fault- AMERICA 'tolerates' gays.

These days it seems gays are the focus, but there have been other targets of the hate- I even read they were claiming God was responsible for the Kennedy assassination- 'God' had JFK killed because of the Supreme Court decision to take prayer out of public schools.
 
Harvey was Trump Karma for his treatment of Mexicans and Muslims. "You reap what you sow." Hurricane Irma is on the way.
 
As an Atheist, the Wrath of God is not apparent to me. While we may not know all the factors in producing Harvey; we knew enough to save the "multitudes" from certain death. In the era before we knew about eclipses, they were terrifying omens from the gods. Today, they are awe inspiring, enjoyable events. Not messages from idols.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
As an Atheist, the Wrath of God is not apparent to me. While we may not know all the factors in producing Harvey; we knew enough to save the "multitudes" from certain death. In the era before we knew about eclipses, they were terrifying omens from the gods. Today, they are awe inspiring, enjoyable events. Not messages from idols.
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Ignoring Karma is like doing the same thing over and over, and not understanding why you're not getting different results. Karma is like school, until you learn the lessons, you don't graduate.
 
Hangover, it's hard to tell whether you are kidding or not. But just in case you are serious, people do bad things (and good things). Bad stuff happens in the world (and good stuff). It's pretty
hard to make any causal connection between these things.

For instance, we have Trump on the one hand, but we have plenty of good, decent people engaged in self-sacrificing good deeds on the other hand. So, which one was responsible for the hurricane?

And, if God existed, why would he need a hurricane to talk to us?

However, if you were being ironic, "never mind."
 
Sunny said:
Now wait, let me make sure I've got this right. Each natural disaster that occurs is earmarked as a punishment for a particular human "sin?" So floods are to punish the gays (all except this flood, as he got caught up in it); earthquakes are to punish, what, slothfulness? Gluttony? And so on?

I wonder, is there a web site out there that equates all the natural disasters with the appropriate sin? There should be; we wouldn't want to misunderstand and stop committing the wrong sin. For instance, what was bubonic plague a punishment for? Since that one has been pretty much wiped out, does that mean that its matching sin is now OK?

I need guidance in all this.
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We've still got bubonic plague in New Mexico, Sunny. We get cases every year and one or two people actually die from it. SO, we must be still committing whatever sin that is.
 
Sunny said:
Hangover, it's hard to tell whether you are kidding or not. But just in case you are serious, people do bad things (and good things). Bad stuff happens in the world (and good stuff). It's pretty
hard to make any causal connection between these things.

For instance, we have Trump on the one hand, but we have plenty of good, decent people engaged in self-sacrificing good deeds on the other hand. So, which one was responsible for the hurricane?

And, if God existed, why would he need a hurricane to talk to us?

However, if you were being ironic, "never mind."
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God doesn't make bad things happen. Peoples actions bring Karma on them. There are consequences to every action. If someone commits a crime, they go to prison. If you drive crazy, you get in a wreck. If you don't pay your rent, you get thrown out.

I can't believe that God would make so many suffer. Then I realized that those suffering in so many places are just paying Karma for their past lives. Anyone that thinks that those that committed genocide on The Native Americans got a way with it, are just not paying attention to what happened in WWII. If there is no penalty for horrific crimes, then there is no reason not to kill those you don't like, and just take whatever you want from them. Then there is no truth, no love, no point to anything.
 
Butterfly said:
We've still got bubonic plague in New Mexico, Sunny. We get cases every year and one or two people actually die from it. SO, we must be still committing whatever sin that is.
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OK, if anyone finds out what it is, let me know. I'll stop doing it.

Sunny said:
Now wait, let me make sure I've got this right. Each natural disaster that occurs is earmarked as a punishment for a particular human "sin?" So floods are to punish the gays (all except this flood, as he got caught up in it); earthquakes are to punish, what, slothfulness? Gluttony? And so on?

I wonder, is there a web site out there that equates all the natural disasters with the appropriate sin? There should be; we wouldn't want to misunderstand and stop committing the wrong sin. For instance, what was bubonic plague a punishment for? Since that one has been pretty much wiped out, does that mean that its matching sin is now OK?

I need guidance in all this.
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In James Mitchner's book Hawaii, the missionaries are translating the Ten Commandments into Hawaiian to teach the natives. The Hawaiians come to the missionaries and ask, in confusion, about the sin of adultery. What kind of adultery are you talking about, they asked. The missionaries said adultery is adultery, there are no different kinds. Not so, say the Hawaiians, there are 27 kinds: Married man with unmarried woman, married man with married woman, unmarried man with married woman, married man with his unmarried sister-in-law, married woman with her unmarried brother-in-law........

At this point, the missionaries' heads are spinning. Can't we just say "adultery" and have it count for all of them?

Oh, heavens no, say the Hawaiians. If you don't list them all, everyone will say well they're not talking about the kind of adultery I'm doing. If you do list them all, everyone will say HEY! there's one I didn't even think of! I'd like to try that one out!

So what did they do? They translated "Thou shalt not commit adultery" to "Thou shalt not sleep mischievously". Hey, it worked.
 
hangover said:
God doesn't make bad things happen. Peoples actions bring Karma on them. There are consequences to every action. If someone commits a crime, they go to prison. If you drive crazy, you get in a wreck. If you don't pay your rent, you get thrown out.
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Only if they are caught, don't take out innocents instead or are in assisted housing, respectively.

I can't believe that God would make so many suffer. Then I realized that those suffering in so many places are just paying Karma for their past lives. Anyone that thinks that those that committed genocide on The Native Americans got a way with it, are just not paying attention to what happened in WWII. If there is no penalty for horrific crimes, then there is no reason not to kill those you don't like, and just take whatever you want from them. Then there is no truth, no love, no point to anything.
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Sooo ... America is harvesting its karma because of dropping atomic bombs on Japan and killing innocents in the Middle East? That's why we're having natural disasters and political intrigues and increasing waistlines?

Interesting.

Actually, I feel there IS no reason to NOT kill or steal, other than fear of the law or some internal guidance system instilled at an early age by either parents, peers or some cultural (i.e., educational, religious or social) group. God won't stop me from killing or stealing, and (according to the party line, anyway) as long as I repent in the end, I'll be assured of a spot in Heaven.

That just doesn't work for me.

Most people subscribe to the Western version of karma - a simplified, watered-down, easily-digestible version - instead of taking the time and effort to really learn what karma is all about. It's much, much more than "If I do A, B will happen".
 
SifuPhil said:
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Actually, I feel there IS no reason to NOT kill or steal, other than fear of the law or some internal guidance system instilled at an early age by either parents, peers or some cultural (i.e., educational, religious or social) group.
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So from your viewpoint, concern for the effects to the other person doesn't enter into it at all?
(Examples: if you 'kill' someone, and it's not to defend yourself or someone else, the person is deprived of his/her right to live; if you 'steal,' the person is deprived of something that is rightfully his or hers.)
 
JaniceM said:
So from your viewpoint, concern for the effects to the other person doesn't enter into it at all?
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Hence, the internal guidance systems I mentioned.

(Examples: if you 'kill' someone, and it's not to defend yourself or someone else, the person is deprived of his/her right to live; if you 'steal,' the person is deprived of something that is rightfully his or hers.)
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We, none of us, have a "right" to live. We live, that's all. Is our "right" to live violated when a safe falls on our head while walking down a sidewalk?

Man is an animal, merely one that has taken a Nair bath. That means we still have animal instincts, one of which is pursuing and killing prey.

Stealing? Who can say that they truly "own" anything? All is just rented, and we lose it when we exit this Earth. Again, only the strong have the resources to hold onto what they consider to be "theirs".
 
SifuPhil said:
Hence, the internal guidance systems I mentioned.



We, none of us, have a "right" to live. We live, that's all. Is our "right" to live violated when a safe falls on our head while walking down a sidewalk?

Man is an animal, merely one that has taken a Nair bath. That means we still have animal instincts, one of which is pursuing and killing prey.

Stealing? Who can say that they truly "own" anything? All is just rented, and we lose it when we exit this Earth. Again, only the strong have the resources to hold onto what they consider to be "theirs".
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Sigh. What is strength anyway? I am reminded of the Mahatma and what he accomplished through the medium of nonviolence. Yes, I am well aware of the subsequent horrors of partition, but still, I believe your view ignores the other

side of the coin. Homo Sapiens is also capable of great nobility and self sacrifice, even towards strangers. It is not either or, but Yin and Yang, both. For the record, this animal believes that certain human rights are incontrovertible unless one wishes to live in anarchy and savage each other. I refuse to embrace a Randian view of society.
 
Those who wish other people to suffer because they hate X (fill in kind of people...race, sex, religion, lifestyle, etc.) people, bring their own karma down on their head...whatever that karma will be.
 
SifuPhil said:
Hence, the internal guidance systems I mentioned.



We, none of us, have a "right" to live. We live, that's all. Is our "right" to live violated when a safe falls on our head while walking down a sidewalk?

Man is an animal, merely one that has taken a Nair bath. That means we still have animal instincts, one of which is pursuing and killing prey.

Stealing? Who can say that they truly "own" anything? All is just rented, and we lose it when we exit this Earth. Again, only the strong have the resources to hold onto what they consider to be "theirs".
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Shalimar said:
Sigh. What is strength anyway? I am reminded of the Mahatma and what he accomplished through the medium of nonviolence. Yes, I am well aware of the subsequent horrors of partition, but still, I believe your view is simplistic, and ignores the other

side of the coin. Homo Sapiens is also capable of great nobility and self sacrifice, even towards strangers. It is not either or, but Yin and Yang, both. For the record, this animal believes that certain human rights are incontrovertible unless one wishes to live in anarchy and savage each other. I refuse to embrace a Randian view of society.
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I can see both your p.o. v.s as we are all you both say.
 
SifuPhil said:
Hence, the internal guidance systems I mentioned.



We, none of us, have a "right" to live. We live, that's all. Is our "right" to live violated when a safe falls on our head while walking down a sidewalk?

Man is an animal, merely one that has taken a Nair bath. That means we still have animal instincts, one of which is pursuing and killing prey.

Stealing? Who can say that they truly "own" anything? All is just rented, and we lose it when we exit this Earth. Again, only the strong have the resources to hold onto what they consider to be "theirs".
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While I deplore violence, I understand there are times when it is necessary. I also understand the path of the warrior is vastly different than that of one who seeks to comfort and support the emotionally wounded. Such is the balance as we walk the wheel together.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
Storms??? Natural disasters? Droughts?? Floods? The ARE God's fault.

God is EXTREMELY old. As we on this forum know, the older you get the more difficult it is to multi-task and we also become forgetful. There are billions more people on Earth than when God was just a kid... when his mental faculties were sharp. Now, he'll hear one region calling for rain. He'll turn the faucet on, go off to answer someone else's request, and forget to turn the faucet off. All of a sudden an area is flooded. He rushes back to turn off the water. Then, he forgets to turn it back on and the area suffers a drought. Don't you guys understand how difficult it is to keep track of all the weather needs of this globe? Then, with the bajillion other inhabited planets in Space.... one of these days, God needs to just retire and turn it over to a younger generation!!!!
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The Earth the planets, the universe takes care of itself. No one has to do a thing to sustain it.
 
Shalimar said:
Sigh. What is strength anyway? I am reminded of the Mahatma and what he accomplished through the medium of nonviolence. Yes, I am well aware of the subsequent horrors of partition, but still, I believe your view ignores the other side of the coin. Homo Sapiens is also capable of great nobility and self sacrifice, even towards strangers. It is not either or, but Yin and Yang, both. For the record, this animal believes that certain human rights are incontrovertible unless one wishes to live in anarchy and savage each other. I refuse to embrace a Randian view of society.
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I'm just saying that the concept of "rights" is man-made, and is thus fallible. It doesn't jibe with the universal "Way". Yes, we have created and choose to follow rules of society, but not all will follow those rules, whether due to personal choice or mental aberration.

When the wolves come for the sheep, you need a sheepdog (or a sympathetic wolf) to guard them. In times of peace, any sheep can do the job.

Of course there are two sides to the coin. I'm merely responding to the one side in question here.
 
JaniceM said:
I'm either too out-of-touch with modern culture or waaay too tired, but before I Googled the name I thought you were talking about the guy from the Psycho movie.
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I thought it was the guy with the TV show about animals, but that's Marlin, must be Tony's brother. :p

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