Helene news out of NC and surrounding mountain states is not good 9/28/24

Paco Dennis said:
Up until the 80's our climate was fairly regular. There were a few extremes but we could count on our year being about the same everywhere. ( debatable ). About 2015 is when I started noticing a increase in climate "catastrophes, and it has kept increasing each year. What are we going to do about it? The GREAT new question. I guess that can be the title of a new thread. As for the victims of this hurricane my heart is very sad for you, I hope you and yours recover.
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We will have to carefully tip-toe along the line between politics and climate change.
 

JBR said:
Bullshit? Residents in Milford, Ohio haven't experienced climate change over the last 10-15 years?
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Of course we have but ....... maybe a thimble full is man made. As someone else stated, I'm sure we do not treat the atmosphere kindly but, IMO our affect is minimal . The earth is IMO ever-evolving because, it is not finished evolving and continues to grow & develop .

You note 10-15 years ...... Have you ever looked back at some of the catastrophic weather activities of 25-50-100 years ago? Krakatoa 1883 for example..... Long before modern tech/modern man, cars airplanes etc.

Here in the U.S.A. in 1925, one of the deadliest years ever . And mankind's technology was nowhere near today's. Granted, building technology wasn't what it is today either but still.
 
Nathan said:
@rgp, your comments are way too idiotic to dignify with a reply, so I'll just leave you with this appropriate image that you can use for your forum profile picture:

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So, your best reply is to divert to insulting me ? And yet you still offer nothing about how you are going to improve your behavior regarding how you treat the earth.

I am waiting breathlessly for example leadership .
 

rgp said:
Of course we have but ....... maybe a thimble full is man made. As someone else stated, I'm sure we do not treat the atmosphere kindly but, IMO our affect is minimal . The earth is IMO ever-evolving because, it is not finished evolving and continues to grow & develop.
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Thanks for the reply, rgp. What is the best online debate between experts representing the two points of view (primarily Earth process vs human-activity derived) that you've located?

For myself, I was involved in citizen/resident forestry reform from the mid '80s and into the early 2000s. In more recent years, I've been involved with riparian-system conservation & restoration, which involves ongoing planting of trees. Might as well do something, I figure.
 
Seeing lots of reports of looting on social media and some are making news outlets. Some looting is even in occupied neighborhoods.



(Edited to remove protest footage. Someone reposted it from 2020.)
 
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JBR said:
Thanks for the reply, rgp. What is the best online debate between experts representing the two points of view (primarily Earth process vs human-activity derived) that you've located?

For myself, I was involved in citizen/resident forestry reform from the mid '80s and into the early 2000s. In more recent years, I've been involved with riparian-system conservation & restoration, which involves ongoing planting of trees. Might as well do something, I figure.
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I do not have an on-line debate . But I have read sites that say scientifically , that the amount of earth damage by humans is miniscule @ best . Again, compared to something like volcanos , it is but a drop in the ocean. And again i agree we do not treat earth properly , and do indeed pollute way too much but we are not the source of the most damage.

And once again, just how far back would you want to go ? In terms of denying modern living and technology ? Do you want to quit driving vehicles & go back to riding horses ? Walking, riding bicycles ? Live without heat & electricity ?

There are all the things we need and want to live in a modern world .

Any good ideas on alternatives ? And i do not mean burning more coal, to power-up plants to produce even more electricity for cars .

Are you happy with those cars that only go 3-500 miles on a charge, and then take 6-8 hours to recharge if you can find a charger ?
 
rgp said:
There are all the things we need and want to live in a modern world .

Any good ideas on alternatives ? And i do not mean burning more coal, to power-up plants to produce even more electricity for cars .

Are you happy with those cars that only go 3-500 miles on a charge, and then take 6-8 hours to recharge if you can find a charger ?
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The electric vehicles now on the market would not serve my household's needs. Because it's true, they are expensive to buy, they are limited in their range between charges, and replacement of major components is expensive. But I think we are just at the start of this technology (and the infrastructure to support it), just as in 1900 the developed world was being introduced to primitive internal-combustion-driven cars.

I feel we're late in the game. Back in the late 1970s, due to international oil-business dilemmas, I began to hope for the serious development of some technological option to petroleum-powered vehicles. At that time, I wasn't the only one to be thinking this way, though I admit my education & career experience didn't provide me the background to contribute to solving that issue.
 
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Many of the HAM radio operators are now helping out with getting word of rescues into and out of the flood areas. If you know of any person who has a HAM license, @Alizerine , you can ask them to try and get word to the area where your friend lives, and they may be able to connect with someone at the scene who has information on rescued people.
Also, Elon Musk is helping to supply Starlink boxes, so people are able to connect to any of these that they are within range of and send messages that way.

Apparently, there is some kind of cell problem with Verizon, and i think also AT&T, and they have put peoples cell phones on the SOS way of operating. Thus far, Verizon has not reported what is causing the cell problem, or when the phones will be operationable again, and this is in other areas besides just the flooded ones.
If you have X/Twitter, people are posting on there with names and pictures of lost people and rescued ones, so that is another option.
X is just the best place to get the up-to-the -minute news because people who actually are in the areas affected are now being able to transmit more information.

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Happyflowerlady said:
Many of the HAM radio operators are now helping out with getting word of rescues into and out of the flood areas. If you know of any person who has a HAM license, @Alizerine , you can ask them to try and get word to the area where your friend lives, and they may be able to connect with someone at the scene who has information on rescued people.
Also, Elon Musk is helping to supply Starlink boxes, so people are able to connect to any of these that they are within range of and send messages that way.

Apparently, there is some kind of cell problem with Verizon, and i think also AT&T, and they have put peoples cell phones on the SOS way of operating. Thus far, Verizon has not reported what is causing the cell problem, or when the phones will be operationable again, and this is in other areas besides just the flooded ones.
If you have X/Twitter, people are posting on there with names and pictures of lost people and rescued ones, so that is another option.
X is just the best place to get the up-to-the -minute news because people who actually are in the areas affected are now being able to transmit more information.

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Who wrote this?
Looks like Tic Tok rather than X.
I cannot verify this purported News story.
 
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rgp said:
So, your best reply is to divert to insulting me ?
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@rgp, You are one of those people who can dish it out, but can't take it. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.

rgp said:
And yet you still offer nothing about how you are going to improve your behavior regarding how you treat the earth.
I am waiting breathlessly for example leadership .
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Again, nothing but asinine rhetoric. I recognize the ploy, you are typical, demanding explanations, but having no intention other than to reject what was presented. If you want to know how to treat the Earth better, then turn off the nonsense media that you bathe your brain in, and focus on what the responsible world leadership is doing. Home | Climate Change Summit
 
fuzzybuddy said:
There are now studies that show man made climate change affected the strength of Helene
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Four ways climate change likely made Hurricane Helene worse » Yale Climate Connections
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I wonder what caused the hurricanes in 1945-1950?
From the article:
Helene’s landfall gives the U.S. a record eight Cat 4 or Cat 5 Atlantic hurricane landfalls in the past eight years (2017-2024), seven of them being continental U.S. landfalls. That’s as many Cat 4 and 5 landfalls as occurred in the prior 57 years. The only comparable beating the U.S. has taken from Category 4 and 5 landfalling hurricanes occurred in the six years from 1945 to 1950, when five Category 4 hurricanes hit South Florida.
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This is why when my fellow New Yorkers complain about a snowstorm, I tell them we are lucky. For years I have seen these stories about floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, and spreading fires. Their terrible with the loss of life, property, business etc. We in the northeast have it easy compared to people in other parts of the country. I can't even imagine what they are having to go through.😥
 
Nathan said:
@rgp, You are one of those people who can dish it out, but can't take it. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.



Again, nothing but asinine rhetoric. I recognize the ploy, you are typical, demanding explanations, but having no intention other than to reject what was presented. If you want to know how to treat the Earth better, then turn off the nonsense media that you bathe your brain in, and focus on what the responsible world leadership is doing. Home | Climate Change Summit
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I can take it fine , you're just ignorant & naive, so much so that you believe all the B.S. And feel a need to blame anyone who does not agree with you.
 
@Alizerine @RadishRose From the reports I've been seeing the areas hardest hit by the storm are without power and cell phone service. @Lara may be in one of those areas. I believe she lives on a beach or very close to one, In which case she may have had the misfortune of getting flooded out and experiencing damage, in which case she would be quite busy now. I sure hope the latter isn't why we haven't heard!.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Apparently, there is some kind of cell problem with Verizon, and i think also AT&T, and they have put peoples cell phones on the SOS way of operating. Thus far, Verizon has not reported what is causing the cell problem, or when the phones will be operationable again, and this is in other areas besides just the flooded ones.
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Towers are down, ones that aren't need power and in some places underground fiber optic cables were washed away.
 
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