Hillary

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Just heard that Hillary will announce her candidacy on Sunday.
 

She's had plenty of time to think about how things will develop. I think she'll run a very competent campaign. I just hope she doesn't adopt too cautious a political Personae.
 

"Gal"? This woman has served her country with distinction as a Senator and as Foreign Secretary. Whether you agree with her politics or not, surely she has earned the right to be taken seriously as a candidate? If the rest of the world treats her with respect, why shouldn't the same thing happen in her homeland?

Her gender should be a mere side issue.
 
Hillary should be competing against a couple of other good Democrats for the primary position. If she can win among her party candidates for leading the Democrats to the election, then let her become the party candidate. I would believe that she will end up a better candidate and President than what we have just now. But having a trial among the candidates would be a good practice for her before the national elections do take place.
 
The race hasn't started yet and I assume that she will be tested this time around as she was last time when she ran against Obama. It's a bit premature to decide that her nomination is a lay down mazaire just yet.
 
Hillary deserves my vote and she'll get it along with my wifes vote. She is a smart cookie. She's a moderate Democrat and will serve as a great President.
 
A few billion dollars from the Kochs and their ilk will most certainly buy lots of attack ads to demean and demonize Ms. Clinton. They will see that this is one of the dirtiest election cycles every witnessed in our Country. Ms. Clinton is battle tested in politics and should be able to meet the denegrators headon. But....

Can our Country take another couple terms of this non-stop bashing of the Leader of the Free World??? From November 2008 until today, we have seen nothing but an all out attack on our President. Used to be that family business stayed home... within the family. This group of far right-wing media types... Faux Noise, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc... have made themselves millionaires by motivating their "cult congregations" to hate this President. If Ms. Clinton... if another Democrat is elected this ranting will continue and the future of our Country is at risk.

Do we give in and hope a Republican candidate is elected so the hate rhetoric will stop?? If... IF a Republican is elected as POTUS will it stop? Are we better off with someone on the order of Rand Paul... a moderate... than having another 4 to 8 years of pastisan hacks draping themselves in the Flag while trying to tear this Country apart?

I wish her well. I would really prefer a different Democratic candidate that would be strong enough to defeat any of the Republican hopefuls. I just haven't seen any one out there that would have half a chance of doing so.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
The race hasn't started yet and I assume that she will be tested this time around as she was last time when she ran against Obama. It's a bit premature to decide that her nomination is a lay down mazaire just yet.
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Unfortunately the last time Hillary started out as a real deal. Suddenly in the middle of the preparations days like now, this Obama person decided to take over and with lots of financial backing from folks like George Sorros he built a massive advertizing system. Hillary looked pretty good on her own but when Obama took over he had much local and other support.

I know of no other so powerful with gifted funds as Obama was back then. So I think Hillary will do OK.

I will likely not vote for her but at least we have a better than Obama player this time. She will have a tough time as Obama is leaving our next leader, a big job with the debt raised from 7.5 trillion up to 20 trillion by the time Obama and his far left lefties leaves.

I hope it gives the Democrats a bit of time for the more intelligent ones to correct a lot of mistakes.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
A few billion dollars from the Kochs and their ilk will most certainly buy lots of attack ads to demean and demonize Ms. Clinton. They will see that this is one of the dirtiest election cycles every witnessed in our Country. Ms. Clinton is battle tested in politics and should be able to meet the denegrators headon. But....

Can our Country take another couple terms of this non-stop bashing of the Leader of the Free World??? From November 2008 until today, we have seen nothing but an all out attack on our President. Used to be that family business stayed home... within the family. This group of far right-wing media types... Faux Noise, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc... have made themselves millionaires by motivating their "cult congregations" to hate this President. If Ms. Clinton... if another Democrat is elected this ranting will continue and the future of our Country is at risk.

Do we give in and hope a Republican candidate is elected so the hate rhetoric will stop?? If... IF a Republican is elected as POTUS will it stop? Are we better off with someone on the order of Rand Paul... a moderate... than having another 4 to 8 years of pastisan hacks draping themselves in the Flag while trying to tear this Country apart?

I wish her well. I would really prefer a different Democratic candidate that would be strong enough to defeat any of the Republican hopefuls. I just haven't seen any one out there that would have half a chance of doing so.
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We are in serious trouble if a Democratic president is not elected in 2016. This president will most certainly be called upon to appoint at least one Supreme Court Justice. I shudder to think of the misery an even more right leaning SCOTUS could inflict on us.
 
Supreme Court justices should be chosen by their proven record of fair judgements and actions, not by their pushing any political party at all. Right or left, leaning possibly but that alone should not be the reason they get nominated. If we look at possible candidates we do see such tendencies but wonder if any judgements are made on their political registration? I sure hope not as political parties are not even mentioned in our Constitution. The do exist and they do change and attempt to correct situations,but then they can get replaced for what ever reason the population decides. Right now we have about 30% Democrat, 30% Republican, and 40% independent by party choice. Neither political party owns the outcomes directly, and never should they either.

Independents and crossover voting makes the difference.
 
1. I would vote for nearly any Democrat over any Republican, pretty much across the board, unless the Democrats nominated someone truly awful, or the Republican candidate was fantastically wonderful. And when was the last time that happened?

2. I am not aware of any prominent Republican that I find even remotely appealing as a candidate. Probably the last good one they had was Lincoln. Or maybe, Gerald Ford.

3. I am not crazy about Hillary Clinton, but she's still better than any of the Republicans. I would have preferred Elizabeth Warren. Well, maybe next time.
 
Sunny, I mostly agree with you except about Gerald Ford. The Nixon pardon was wrong. IMO, Nixon should have been prosecuted and convicted. After due process of law, a pardon would have been acceptable. Nixon did not deserve special treatment never given to other indicted criminal defendants.
 
Sunny said:
1. I would vote for nearly any Democrat over any Republican, pretty much across the board, unless the Democrats nominated someone truly awful, or the Republican candidate was fantastically wonderful. And when was the last time that happened?

2. I am not aware of any prominent Republican that I find even remotely appealing as a candidate. Probably the last good one they had was Lincoln. Or maybe, Gerald Ford.

3. I am not crazy about Hillary Clinton, but she's still better than any of the Republicans. I would have preferred Elizabeth Warren. Well, maybe next time.
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There have been many Republicans I've admired Colin Powell, Nelson Rockefeller, Earl Warren, David Stockman, Theodore Roosevelt and I'm sure I could come up with a bunch more.
 
Agreed, DW. We Canadians havea pompous, deluded, I am Bibi's best friend, Prime Minister whom 70% of Canadians dislike, but hey, He is our duly elected leader....here in Canuckistan, land of not so bland! Lol.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
"Gal"? This woman has served her country with distinction as a Senator and as Foreign Secretary. Whether you agree with her politics or not, surely she has earned the right to be taken seriously as a candidate? If the rest of the world treats her with respect, why shouldn't the same thing happen in her homeland?

Her gender should be a mere side issue.
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American men show respect for women??? That will never happen. I don't see how women stand to raise them.
 
TabbyAnn, one of my dearest friends is a Boston Irishman who adores strong women, and treats all women with kindness and respect, not all men are sexist, sadly too many are. I raised mine not to be, that is a victory, he is married to a very strong and accomplished woman. I am certain many American women have similar,stories to share.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
"Gal"? This woman has served her country with distinction as a Senator and as Foreign Secretary. Whether you agree with her politics or not, surely she has earned the right to be taken seriously as a candidate? If the rest of the world treats her with respect, why shouldn't the same thing happen in her homeland?

Her gender should be a mere side issue.
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I believe the worst effort she has shown was as the Foreign Secretary. One of the worst and still under investigation was the one where the rebels were attacking our embassy in the Libya and killing the ambassador. There were a bunch of lies about what was going on, no military alerted to go help, just a major screw up, and still today there are no honest answers about what was happening an no help offered.

A lot of folks still remember those days and will remember on election day as well. She has plenty of questions that need answered and folks will remember them.

But even so, she will be a lot better than the one we have now.
 
It would certainly be nice Bob if the justices were totally free of political contamination but the country is politically very divided and the last time I looked Lady Justice's blindfold seems to have slipped, her scales are unbalanced and any pretense that the court is not political is a faded memory. That's the way it is and that's the way it will stay and so winning the presidency is the only way to alter the court.
 
I will be voting against her in the primary. I think that she is capable of being a great president and I think that she deserves it.
I will vote for her in the primary and I do believe that she will win.
I also believe that she will be tormented harasses and for lack of a better word, emasculated by the opposition. The hate that the right holds for Mr. Obama does not even begin to hold a candle to the hate and disrespect Mrs.Clinton is going to suffer.
I worry that her health is not up to the rigors that will be required of her, I am worried that hers will be an administration beset by one trumped up manufactured crisis after another.
Frankly I think t would be better for the country if she would step down. Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could do the job as well. At this point I see her desire for the presidency as an ego thing.
 
The Republicans mentioned by Josh are "Old school" republicans not the nut cases, greedy, fanatics of today. You look back at my voter registration records and you will see I was a republican back in the day, I didn't leave the party, it left me and millions of other Americans. I also admired a very smart, honest President Ike. Dwight David Eisenhower was a favorite of mine. But todays republicans stick to high heaven.
 

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