Holy Crap I Saw the Video

Thinking back to my Jr High and High School days, it was the teachers that had control in their hands, and they did use their hands to ensure obedience and control. We could be grabbed by the shoulders and jerked to upright if slumping down and not studying. We could be grabbed and push against the wall if acting up. Yes, the teachers were doing that all the time, both men and women. Still not behaving we got sent to the principle for more corrections, which might be a paddling or messages sent to parents, and more corrections from the home. A nearby Catholic school had sisters that would carry a ruler and cause the problems to hold our their hands for a swat or too on the back of the hand. My friends that went there said it smarted a lot.

Then for the 'non violent' folks the teachers were denied the right or ability to touch the students any more. Undisciplined became more of a problem so 'in school police' were created. End result, now the police are considered animals. The problem lies in discipline that should be taught from birth on into the future. The problem is our children no longer seem to get any education about discipline. Freedom to be jerks seems to be the current education system.

That student deserved to get educated. Phones should not be allowed in schools. Attendance should all be about discipline and studying and learning. I think she had a well deserved learning experience. We should not have to have police in our schools. Why restrict the teachers from enforcing discipline? It seemed to have worked in the past.

Time to quite blaming the teachers or police for the problems involved with maintaining good discipline. It all comes from the homes. Solutions must be found. Many folks that can, do send their children to private schools, for better discipline and learning. What happened to those correctional schools we once had. Probably no longer allowed.
 

Yes we do have SRO. However they have a very limited mandate. This type of behaviour would never be tolerated, heads would roll. This adversarial us versus them attitude is not part of our culture, although racism still persists. Currently targeting Muslims. Sigh.
 

From the time I started teaching in 1963 no girl over the age of 13 was subjected to corporal punishment, although the cane could be administered to boys of any age. Later all corporal punishment was abolished and a good thing too.

Tough schools don't need police officers, they need inspired educational leaders, like this one

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/principal...ool-is-a-study-in-success-20140723-zw0nv.html

http://tedxsydney.com/site/speakerProfile.cfm?speaker=374

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/07/24/4053218.htm

My husband was in the first ever intake at Punchbowl Boys HS and at that time it was mostly Anglo but a bit wild.
Later the area demographic changed to mostly Lebanese and the school had a really bad reputation. Rough was probably a bit too mild a description.
Jihad Dib restored the students' pride in themselves and you don't do that by assaulting them.
 
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QuickSilver said:
So Bob.. do you agree with what the officer in the video did to that girl?
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Whether I agree or not is not the point I was making. Discipline in our schools must be made important and that is not happening with these lack of discipline folks that are messing up our countries first class.

Conclusion is NO. I think that persons attitude should have been instilled long before she got to that level. My question about our training schools for out of order students. What happened to them? Why do they allow cell phones into schools? Far too much to just start judging all police on one incident. But if the responses were defiant, there must be a conclusion. Forbearance just brings on more nastiness in the future and after being presented with forbearance with continued obstinate attitude, something must happen.

The courts will collect all information possible and then make a decision. Much smarter than all of us just making instant judgements based on a few seconds of film.
 
Violence begets violence. Child abuse is not an acceptable form of "discipline." Such actions beget fear and rage. So many old men attacking nurses--relics from a time when "women knew their place!" Oh, the stories my nephew's RN wife has shared with me.
 
I live in a mixed neighborhood. My next door neighbors are blacks, originally from Chicago. They are very good neighbors and their children are all well disciplined at home. We have grandma, daughter, family friends, children from relatives of grandma, all being part of the family. Grandma had worked in the school system in Chicago. So being black need not be the situation here. She was out of hand, needed corrected, different tactics needed. What would they have been? Maybe he should have just picked up the chair and girl and walked here straight to the principals office. He looked strong enough to have done that. At least till out of the class so the teacher could restart teaching.
 
BobF said:
I live in a mixed neighborhood. My next door neighbors are blacks, originally from Chicago. They are very good neighbors and their children are all well disciplined at home. We have grandma, daughter, family friends, children from relatives of grandma, all being part of the family. Grandma had worked in the school system in Chicago. So being black need not be the situation here. She was out of hand, needed corrected, different tactics needed. What would they have been? Maybe he should have just picked up the chair and girl and walked here straight to the principals office. He looked strong enough to have done that. At least till out of the class so the teacher could restart teaching.
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So refusing to hand over her personal property is what YOU consider "out of hand"? and deserving of corporal punishment? She wasn't yelling.. or jumping up and down or swearing.. or throwing things or attacking anyone.... All she was doing was sitting in her assigned seat and refusing to hand over her phone. That's it.. So I guess if she WERE doing any of those things you would feel the officer should have killed her?
 
This was a slow escalation beginning with student disrupting class and defying requests & demands to stop using her cell phone in class from the teacher, school administrator and then deputy. This basically turned into an resisting arrest incident. Also for the girl to be flipped like that she had already anchored herself into the chair and/or was already holding on to or had hands near the deputy/SRO. Sheriff says she had hit the deputy. Once you hit a law enforcement officer and legally & physically what does expect to happen, really.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/27/sheriff-defends-girl-student-hit-cop.html

That being said I think they could probably find a better way to deal with defiant students like this, especially in a day & age of cell phones which shouldn't even be allowed in the classroom. Some say teachers should be allowed to have cell phone jammers in the classroom.
 
QS, you are taking it to an extreme. She obviously was asked by the teacher to put the phone away or turn it over and pick it up after class or after school. She probably gave the teacher a raft of you know what and he called for help...
 
They just said on the news that the cop is going to be fired over this and probably face charges, so that's a good thing. Refusing to put your cell phone away or leaving a classroom is not grounds to be body slammed, beaten up or arrested, IMO. Something is very wrong with this picture, this is still America, isn't it?
 
SeaBreeze said:
They just said on the news that the cop is going to be fired over this and probably face charges, so that's a good thing. Refusing to put your cell phone away or leaving a classroom is not grounds to be body slammed, beaten up or arrested, IMO. Something is very wrong with this picture, this is still America, isn't it?
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And the only person to stand up for the girl was also handcuffed and arrested and now faces charges... The whole thing is just horrible and unjustified. A 16 y/o is still a child.. Children can be difficult.. She did nothing to warrant what happened to her. I'm really glad that cop is being fired. AND that he is facing charges. I sure would be pressing charges if I were that girls mother.
 
IMHO one solution first addresses electronic devices. When I went back to college it was the beginning of everyone having electronic devices. There were some profs that had a box or basket on their desk. First order of the day before class...all pagers-remember those?, phones and other noise makers in the basket. It was by choice however if a students device interrupted a lecture more than once it was understood that student was to leave. Of course in college you're paying to be there. If you miss an important lecture you might fail an important quiz or test so there's more accountability.


To give some people an understanding of urban schools. Sometimes the troublemakers are out of control because their parental figures give them too much discipline, not because they're left to run wild. I remember a parent conference. The student was fairly bright but just not working up to what he was capable of. Twice during the conference his Mom tried to cuff his ears. She was irate that he wasn't doing what he was told to do however minor. That's the kind of young man who will hold in his anger until it explodes someday. It's sad how much potential some of the problem kids have. But it takes a special educator to tap into it.
 
Fur you are so right about excess discipline. The lucky ones often end up in my office in later years, others cut a swathe of violence and emotional destruction against themselves, and/or others, than can perpetuate the same pattern for generations.
 
He was fired.

[h=1]Sheriff: School officer fired after tossing student in class[/h] news.yahoo.com/sheriff-decide-deputy-keeps-job-classroom-arrest-083335261.html
By MEG KINNARD 22 minutes ago COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — A deputy was fired Wednesday after video showed him flipping a teen backward out of her desk and tossing her across a classroom, with the sheriff saying the officer did not follow proper procedures and training.
Richland County Senior Deputy Ben Fields was told of his firing late Wednesday morning, Sheriff Leon Lott said. Lott said he would not describe the now-former resource officer at Spring Valley High School as remorseful, but that Fields was sorry the incident happened and tried to do his job.
The student was being disruptive and refused to leave the classroom despite being told by a teacher and administrator to do so, Lott said, and that's when Fields was brought in Monday to remove her from the class. She again refused, and Fields told her she was under arrest, Lott said.
She continued to refuse, and video shows the deputy flipping the teen backward and then throwing her across the room. At that point, Lott said, Fields did not use proper procedure.
"I can tell you what he should not have done: He should not have thrown that student," Lott said during a news conference.
The agency's training unit looked at video of the incident and determined Fields did not follow proper training and procedure, the sheriff said.
Lott said he would not release Fields' personnel file, saying only that some complaints have been filed in the past against him, none of which came from the school district.
Court records show at least three complaints, though Fields prevailed in two of those cases.
Trial is set for January in the case of an expelled student who claims Fields targeted blacks and falsely accused him of being a gang member in 2013. In another case, a federal jury sided with Fields after a black couple accused him of excessive force and battery during a noise complaint arrest in 2005. A third lawsuit, dismissed in 2009, involved a woman who accused him of battery and violating her rights during a 2006 arrest.
Calls for Fields to be fired began mounting almost immediately after the video surfaced, and the FBI began a federal civil rights investigation at Lott's request. The confrontation was captured on cellphones by students, one of whom said it all started when the girl pulled out her cellphone and refused her math teacher's attempt to take it away during class.
Lott had said Tuesday that the girl was uninjured in the confrontation but "may have had a rug burn." However, her attorney contradicted that.
"She now has a cast on her arm, she has neck and back injuries. She has a Band-Aid on her forehead where she suffered rug burn on her forehead," Columbia attorney Todd Rutherford told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Wednesday.
The sheriff suspended Fields without pay Monday. Lott, who rushed home from an out of town conference when the news broke, said that a teacher and vice principal in the classroom at the time felt the officer acted appropriately.
Email, phone and text messages for Fields have not been returned.
More than a dozen parents and community members spoke out at a Tuesday night meeting of the Richland 2 School District. Some, black and white alike, said that the issue wasn't based on race and that the incident shows that teachers and administrators need to work harder on finding ways to handle defiant students.
"If that was my daughter ... that officer being fired would be the least of his worries," Conwell said. "We are sick and tired of black women being abused. You can say it's not racist all you want to."
The deputy also arrested a second girl who verbally objected to his actions. Both girls were charged with disturbing schools and released to their parents. Their names were not officially released.
The second student, Niya Kenny, told WLTX-TV that she felt she had to say something. Doris Kenny said she's proud her daughter was "brave enough to speak out against what was going on."
Lott said the charges against the two students would not be dropped and would be dealt with at a later date. However, he commended the students who recorded the incident, saying he encouraged citizens to record authorities and bring it to his attention if they think something is wrong.
"I can't fix problems if I don't know about it," Lott said.
Sheriff's officials have stressed that the incident was not an issue of race. But a local NAACP official, who praised the Justice Department for investigating, said this was not something white students had to deal with.
"To be thrown out of her seat as she was thrown, and dumped on the floor ... I don't ever recall a female student who is not of color (being treated this way)," South Carolina's NAACP president, Lonnie Randolph Jr., said Tuesday.
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Kinnard can be reached on Twitter at http://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP .
 
QuickSilver said:
So refusing to hand over her personal property is what YOU consider "out of hand"? and deserving of corporal punishment? She wasn't yelling.. or jumping up and down or swearing.. or throwing things or attacking anyone.... All she was doing was sitting in her assigned seat and refusing to hand over her phone. That's it.. So I guess if she WERE doing any of those things you would feel the officer should have killed her?
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Yes, you must have been there as you know everything. My opinion is to let the courts determine the extent. Why was that policeman there? Wasn't it a request by the staff for him to arrive and control things. Just for the phone? I doubt it as the staff could handle just mouthy students. Some more details will have to be given to justify the policeman for being there. No patience for some on this forum. Instant gratification seems to be the only way of thinking. That kind of thinking is what often causes bad things to happen, like shootings. Mellow out a bit and wait for the courts to act. The courts being judicial or management. By one post it seems the police management has already made a decision. Maybe the judicial folks will be next.
 
Too late bob... the Attacker was fired... and that was the very best outcome. I'm sure he will face charges.. if not criminal then certainly civil.. and he will lose.
 
QuickSilver said:
Too late bob... the Attacker was fired... and that was the very best outcome. I'm sure he will face charges.. if not criminal then certainly civil.. and he will lose.
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Too late for what? What I have been talking about since the beginning was to let the court make their decision. All this hateful nonsense being tossed about makes no difference at all. I don't think any of us have the authority to just demand that all think in the same terms and words. I said early on that I did not think the policeman took proper actions, and you know that to be true. But you never let up and just keep posting as if I was the guilty one. Some day you will have to wake up and allow others to have responses that may differ from yours and it is OK for that to happen.
 
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