Holy Smokes! Trump's Solutions & Details Unprecedented for Early Campaigning!

Glad to hear people are tired of this Trump stuff. It is about time to let the hopefuls do their thing and wait till the actual candidates become known. Likely next spring will be soon enough for all this hateful nonsense to get started. Really wasting your hate this early in the game. Most will be gone as the clock clicks on.

No assurance that your favorite target will be around by next spring.

No assurance that you favorite candidate will be around by spring either.
 

http://thinkprogress.org/immigratio...nspired-brothers-beat-up-homeless-latino-man/

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Boston incident is terrible. We need energy and passion, but we must treat each other with respect. I would never condone violence.
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How many have taken the time to read this foot note that the authors of the article about two criminal type brothers abusing a homeless person. This does not sound like some of the accusations already posted about Trump. It shows a fair posting by the editors of the article. Far too much hate is being wasted on Trump. Trump should be admired for his ability to build such a fortune and not hated for being so good in business. Wait till spring to see if you still hate who is in the running.
 

I like Trumps Five Part Strategy. Other than the fact that libs don't like Trump, what specifically do libs dislike about any one of the Five and what would you propose as an alternative to any one of them.?
 
Trump's strategy seems like nothing new to me. It's what wealthy Republicans always suggest. It's trickle down economics revisited and we know that not much trickles down when those principles are employed.
 
Lon said:
I like Trumps Five Part Strategy. Other than the fact that libs don't like Trump, what specifically do libs dislike about any one of the Five and what would you propose as an alternative to any one of them.?
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I won't play your game. As Time magazine says "There are some things you just cannot do in politics, not at the presidential level anyway." Trump has over simplified all of his "proposals". I will not take the time to destroy all of his propositions but to take one as an example: He will "change the law" to eliminate birthright provisions of the constitution. To change the constitution requires this:

Article V of the Constitution outlines how to amend (modify) the document. It consists of two steps: proposal and ratification.

1. Propose An Amendment
Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment ot the Constitution.
  • Both Houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
  • Two-thirds of the State legislatures must call on Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention.
2. Ratify An Admendment
Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.
  • Three-fourths of the State legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
  • Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition (21st Amendment).
Is there a timeline for ratification? The US Supreme Court has held that ratification must happen within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Since the 18th Amendment, Congress has set a term of seven years for ratification.

Only 33 amendments have received a two-thirds vote from both Houses of Congress. Of those, only 27 have been ratified by the States. Perhaps the most visible failure is the Equal Rights Amendment.


Article V
  • The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

    BTW you suggest, rightly, that "libs" don't like Trump, but wait and see how many republicans will actually support him as a candidate. It may just surprise you.
 
Something for all of us to realize and recognize is the difference between true immigrants and the illegal immigrants that are now living here without paying their share of taxes to the governments, states an federal, for help with health, protections, schools, etc.

The issues are not about the existence of these legal or illegal immigrants at all. It is about stopping all the entrance by illegals. Recently hundreds of children of various ages were delivered into the US and today I hear that a judge has determined that they are not being fairly kept. There is some law that says children must be kept in certain facilities. It would have been nice if we had been told of these hundreds of children would be coming, like it or not. The come from places other than just Mexico. Places like Central America and South America.

We do have a border and we should have some means for closing it officially and actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

Currently over 12 million now living in the US. More coming every day.
 
Unless the democrats totally botch it(as in committing a murder), I see no chance for a republican to win this time around or any other time in my remaining life. With the minorities now becoming the majority and the hardcore liberal vote, the numbers just do not add up for the republicans. Doesn't matter who they nominate.
 
Bullie76 said:
Unless the democrats totally botch it(as in committing a murder), I see no chance for a republican to win this time around or any other time in my remaining life. With the minorities now becoming the majority and the hardcore liberal vote, the numbers just do not add up for the republicans. Doesn't matter who they nominate.
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Never underestimate two things, the naivety of the electorate and the money going into the republican coffers.
 
Meanderer said:
Trump's 5 Part Strategy

In #1 Foreign Interventions Must Require Cost-Sharing Plans to Reduce U.S. Costs and Guarantee Veterans and Their Families Are Protected) I liked "Money, itself is a weapon".

I also liked #3: Crack Down on China’s Currency Manipulation by Calculating Taxes on Imports Based on How Much a Manufacturing Country’s Currency is Undervalued.
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Trump's 5-Part Strategy is impressive enough to post in full here (below). He's the only Presidential Candidate this early on to present a clear plan for Making America Great.

But I wonder if #2, Pass NOPEC Legislation to Break OPEC's Grip on Energy Prices, would really cause retaliation from the middle east like the plan said was why Bush vetoed it..

Here, then, are just five of Donald Trump’s solutions for turning the nation around.
 1. Foreign Interventions Must Require Cost-Sharing Plans to Reduce U.S. Costs and Guarantee Veterans and Their Families Are Protected
“Money is itself a weapon,” writes Trump.
Before America spends trillions of dollars fighting other nations’ battles, Trump says the U.S. should implement cost-sharing agreements similar to the one advocated in a September 2010 Government Accountability Office (GAO) study to reduce the cost burden on U.S. taxpayers and provide funds for the families of fallen or wounded soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines.
“It’s hardly a radical idea,” writes Trump. “In September 2010, our own GAO and others studied the issue in depth and concluded that a cost-sharing plan is feasible and wise. The report, titled “U.S. Cost-Sharing: Iraq Has a Cumulative Budget Surplus, Offering the Potential for Further Cost-Sharing” noted that the Iraqi government is running a $52.1 billion surplus. As Trump notes, director of the Defense Department’s Office of Net assessment Andrew Marshall, pointed out that oil revenues could also be used to offset the sticker price for U.S. intervention.
“Why are we footing the bill and getting nothing in return?” writes Trump. “I’ll give you the answer. It’s because our so-called ‘leaders’ in Washington know absolutely nothing about negotiations and dealmaking.”
 2. Pass NOPEC Legislation to Break OPEC’s Grip on Energy Prices
In Time to Get Tough, Trump advocated passage of the “No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act (NOPEC—S.394) which would amend the Sherman Antitrust Act to allow the U.S. government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws.
Trump notes the bill passed the Senate Judiciary Committee four times with bipartisan backing, “and in May 2008, the NOPEC bill passed the House” before “President George W. Bush got spooked and threatened to veto the bill” over fears of “retaliatory action” with wars raging in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Passing NOPEC, wrote Trump, would have allowed the U.S. to bust up the OPEC cartel.
“Imagine how much money the average American would save if we busted the OPEC cartel. Imagine how much stronger economic shape we would be in if we made the Iraqi government agree to a cost-sharing plan that paid us back the $1.5 trillion we’ve dropped on liberating Iraq.”
Trump added, “Just those two acts of leadership alone would represent a huge leap forward for our country.”
 3. Crack Down on China’s Currency Manipulation by Calculating Taxes on Imports Based on How Much a Manufacturing Country’s Currency is Undervalued
Trump says he believes passionately in free trade, but only when the rules are fair and currency is properly valued. He cites a study by the Peterson Institute for International Economics that finds that even a 20 percent revaulation of Chinese currency would create 300,000 to 700,000 American jobs.
“Getting China to stop playing its currency charades can begin whenever we elect a president ready to take decisive action,” writes Trump. “[Obama] could start by signing into law a bill the U.S. House of Representatives approved on a 348 to 79 vote in September 2010. It would allow our government to calculate taxes on imports based on how much the manufacturing country’s currency is undervalued.”
Trump notes Obama’s then-Treasury Sec. Timothy Geithner warned such a move might spark a “trade war.”
“It’s the utter weakness and failure to fight for American interests from Geithner and Obama that have left us underwriting China’s economic rise and our own economic collapse,” writes Trump. “It’s a plain fact: free trade requires having fair rules that apply to everyone.”
 4. Spur Job and Wealth Creation through a 5-Point Tax Plan
“People are smart,” writes Trump. “They know you can’t be ‘for’ jobs and against those who create them.”
That, says Trump, is why America’s president should advocate for and win a five-point tax plan to spark economic growth and allow Americans to keep more of what they earn.
First, Trump says the U.S. must repeal the death tax. He cites a CBO study that found the death tax is a proven jobs killer that “will strip $1.6 trillion of small business capital out of the hands of job creators” and will result in a loss of 1.5 million new jobs.
Second, Trump says smart tax policy includes lowering the tax rate on capital gains and dividends. “Capitalism requires capital,” writes Trump. “When government robs capital from investors, it takes away the money that creates jobs.”
Third, Trump would reduce the corporate tax rate to zero. “How can we expect companies to hire American workers and locate their businesses in America when our government taxes them at exorbitant rates for doing so?” writes Trump. “I want to encourage American companies to stay here and hire American workers, and I want foreign companies to relocate their businesses to the United States and create jobs here.”
Fourth, Trump says he would impose a 20 percent tax on those who outsource jobs overseas. Trump says “for those companies who made the mistake of sending their businesses overseas but have seen the light and are ready to come home and bring jobs with them, they pay zero tax.”
Finally, Trump says its time to implement a fairer and simpler income tax:

  • Up to $30,000, you pay 1 percent
  • From $30,000 to $100,000, you pay 5 percent
  • From $100,000 to $1 million, you pay 10 percent
  • On $1 million or above, your rate is 15 percent
  • 5. Finish the Border Fence, Boot Out Criminal Illegals, and Reform America’s Legal Immigration System
  • Trump cites a 2011 GAO study that found America’s prisons house 351,000 criminal aliens who committed crimes after illegally entering America. “The GAO says that the annual price tag to incarcerate these thugs is $1.1 billion. And get this: criminal aliens have an average of seven arrests.” He says criminal illegal aliens must go.
In addition to specific reforms for America’s legal immigration system, Trump says the Commander-in-Chief must enforce existing immigration laws and finish the border fence.
Citing several studies, Trump says “properly built walls work. We just need the political will to finish the job.”
Trump’s Time to Get Tough lays out several more detailed conservative policy reforms, including cracking down on entitlement fraud, ending Obamacare, and reforming America’s ever-growing welfare state. As he puts it, America needs “a safety net, not a hammock.”
Put simply, GOP establishment figures eager to dismiss Trump’s candidacy do so at their peril. Like it or not, Donald Trump has serious policy plans to offer—and the star power and savvy to make them heard.
 
What Do Donald Trump Voters Actually Want?

30 of the billionaire real-estate developer’s backers offer individual explanations for their support.

"Last week, I asked Donald Trump supporters why they believe that the billionaire real-estate developer will treat them any better than the career politicians they mistrust".

"The dozens of replies that I received from across the United States make up the largest collection I’ve encountered of Trump supporters setting forth their thinking in their own words. And having read through this non-representative sample, I understand the candidate’s rise better than I did before. Broadly speaking, the men and women who wrote fall into two categories: Those who earnestly believe that Trump is the best choice to lead America and those who are motivated by giddyness at the chaotic spectacle of his success. Of course, anyone polling at the top of a major party is going to have supporters with all sorts of backgrounds and world views, and while the correspondence below includes several recurring themes, many of the rationales are singular".
 
Lara, Do you not see those are oversimplified, unrealistic pipe dreams? Not one of those are realistic. They may appeal to those unfamiliar with what the proposals entail but not anyone aware of the details. It is like saying I propose we find a cure for cancer, a great goal, but not possible for a president to achieve.
 
That's Trump's 's 5-Part Strategy? It's simplistic, unrealistic, and about an inch deep. It makes for some good catch phrases, but it's about as far from 'impressive' as it can be.
 
Are we to keep those 351,000 illegal immigrants for long times? I would hope not. They should be sent back to their natural home with agreements to keep them there. That would free up some of our prison space for our own criminals so we don't have to set our own criminals free for lack of space. Of course we also need to fix our fences and convince some of our government agencies to do their jobs and not provide places for these illegal criminals to hide. Places like those sanctuary cities that have been created where cities refuse to do as our border patrols have asked them to do. What a bunch of nonsense that is.
 
AZ Jim said:
Lara, Do you not see those are oversimplified, unrealistic pipe dreams? Not one of those are realistic. They may appeal to those unfamiliar with what the proposals entail but not anyone aware of the details. It is like saying I propose we find a cure for cancer, a great goal, but not possible for a president to achieve.
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Thank you for laying it out in simple terms.
 
MaryZPA said:
I watched Trump's rally in Alabama last night and was deeply troubled. He whipped up the anti-immigrant fervor of the crowd and it made me worry for any immigrants who found themselves in Mobile last night. This targeting of one group of people has dark echoes of past events in history and it never ends well. There was a time when I thought Trump to be a buffoon, but now I see him as a danger.
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Agree -- and I'd felt those dark echoes, too. They are definitely there.
 
I never cared for Trump even before he was running for president, and honestly, I didn't watch those videos, I hear and see enough of him on the news channels. I have to give him credit though, for being the ultimate entertainer and stealing the spotlight from the other candidates, something he does very well. In the process, they all appear to be weakened in his shadow, but like Bob said, it's too early to take any of these "promises" or spoken dreams too seriously.

As far as cost sharing for foreign interventions and guaranteeing that our veterans and their families are taken care of...how about not putting our troops in danger in the first place with these senseless invasions and wars? With the oil, even if we are energy independent, won't we always be importing oil from the Middle East because it's cheaper, and aren't these recent wars/invasions really all about oil control, money and power?

The crackdown on China's import likely wouldn't fly anyway, because big retailers like Walmart would put pressure on politicians to back off so they can keep their prices down. To me, Trump's tax plan just sounds like tax cuts again for the wealthy and large corporations...don't think that works very well at all. His plan to finish the border fence and make it impenetrable, get rid of all criminal immigrants is easy as going door to door and searching for them? Last I heard there are a lot more native born criminals than illegal criminals...just not making the big headlines as much. Isn't he also against our constitution in regard to having people born here automatically become US citizens?

Also, Obamacare is a success and has benefited may people, including myself, and I'm healthy and rarely see a doctor. Those with pre-existing conditions really are happy with the Affordable Care Act, and so are others who can rest assured they won't be booted off their plan for no valid reason like it was in the past. Why would Trump want to eliminate that? If he planned to replace it with Single Payer, then I would be more interested in what he had to say. I haven't been paying too much attention really to all he's been saying, too early to take him seriously just because he's the loudest. Maybe I'm misunderstanding some of his intentions, if he's still around in the future and has all the dramatics out of his system, I'll be more willing to listen to his promises.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I never cared for Trump even before he was running for president, and honestly, I didn't watch those videos, I hear and see enough of him on the news channels. I have to give him credit though, for being the ultimate entertainer and stealing the spotlight from the other candidates, something he does very well. In the process, they all appear to be weakened in his shadow, but like Bob said, it's too early to take any of these "promises" or spoken dreams too seriously.
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I've never liked Trump's flamboyant display, ostentatiousness, egotism, and goofy expressions at the podium (not presidential) …but I like his confidence, motivation, strength, knows how to negotiate, is a workhorse, understands management, is intelligent, exuberant, successful, powerful, and doesn't want to burden the people with his expenses (thus paying for his own campaign). He's no mamby-pamby and the people are ready for results…not just promises. He as set goals coupled with a plan of action dispute the fact that it needs tweaking.

But the other good candidates are watching, waiting, soaking all this in, learning what Trump's weaknesses are, and doing some planning themselves. They will have their time to shine and will be ready to offset Trump's hiccups. So anything is possible right now. Trump's demise might well be his overexposure too soon. Watch out for Marco Rubio. He said, "I'm right where I want to be for now". He knows. The media is seeing to it that Trump is overexposed now until everyone gets tired of him and then when they think the public has been sufficiently over saturated and over stimulated, later, they'll give the spotlight to Rubio, Carson, and Fiorina…when it matters most.

Sea Breeze said:
As far as cost sharing for foreign interventions and guaranteeing that our veterans and their families are taken care of...how about not putting our troops in danger in the first place with these senseless invasions and wars? With the oil, even if we are energy independent, won't we always be importing oil from the Middle East because it's cheaper, and aren't these recent wars/invasions really all about oil control, money and power?
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We have enough oil in our own country to never need the Middle East but the rules need to be lifted here in order to tap into it. There will always be wars as long as we have the likes of Isis, 9/11, WMD, etc….threats to our national security and freedom.

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Isn't he also against our constitution in regard to having people born here automatically become US citizens?
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Trump isn't against our constitution but I wouldn't put it past him to try to change it, as difficult as that would be. Isn't a child illegal if born of an illegal immigrant? I know many come over the border, use our doctors to deliver their babies at no expense to them, and then return to mexico on their own.
 
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Meanderer said:
In this great Country,If a peanut farmer, an Actor and a Haberdasher could become President, why couldn't a Realtor be President?
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Don't forget a "Community Organizer" (and an illinois senator briefly. During the whole campaign, Obama gave No interviews and read all speeches from a teleprompter). But his people ran a highly organized, hi-tech, campaign for him with internet, canvassing door-to-door on college campuses, a great "Change" slogan/branding, etc.
 
Shalimar said:
Can't speak for other countries, but here in Canada Trump's name invariably inspires ridicule. People are aghast that the most
powerful country in the world would even consider someone of his ilk. It makes America a laughing stock globally according to many.
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It's the same in Australia Shalimar. He mainly makes the news when he makes a misogynist or racist comment otherwise he's off the radar.....seen mainly as a TV personality.
 
Lara said:
Don't forget a "Community Organizer" (and an illinois senator briefly. During the whole campaign, Obama gave No interviews and read all speeches from a teleprompter). But his people ran a highly organized, hi-tech, campaign for him with internet, canvassing door-to-door on college campuses, a great "Change" slogan/branding, etc.
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In the list of why people support Donald Trump, I like #14 Trump is Bizarro Obama
He's got what obama had in 2007 except he doesn't have the press adoring him and hiding what should have been disqualifiers. Trump is refreshingly blunt, honest, and pro American. He's the anti-Obama. People like that. The press doesn't.
 
Those are 30 excellent reasons why people like Trump, meanderer. The press has a strategy; overexpose Trump, over stimulate the viewers until his supporters are sufficiently over saturated with him. Then, later in the campaign, when it really matters most, they'll turn the spotlight over to Rubio, Carson, and Fiorina who, by that time, will have tweaked their campaigns after soaking in what worked for Trump and what didn't. Rubio said, "I'm right where I want to be right now". He knows. That's a smart strategy.
 
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Just watched Face the Nation with Trump, Chris Christie, and Ted Cruz.

Trump spoke of the middle-class disappearing while the Hedge Funds managers are paying lower tax rates. Trump wants to lower rates for the middle-class and will focus on saving the middle-class (show didn't give him much time to give details). He also clarified how he would use management to solve immigration and said it takes a lot less money to do this than what it's costing our country to accommodate them.

Chris Christie spent most all of his time crucifying Hillary and talking about his accomplishments and talents. Said nothing about Trump other than he would take a slower, methodical, and more conservative approach to solving immigration.

Ted Cruz spoke mostly about immigration which mirrored Trump's pretty much (they're in agreement) but added a way to patrol the borders (can't remember what it was, drones maybe? but that's already being done). Then spoke of why he's against same sex marriage. He gave an example of a church that ended up closed due to the cost of fighting for their right not to marry gays due to their religious faith and that they shouldn't have been persecuted because of religious liberty.

On a personal note: I am a Bible believer but I am for gay marriage because it's between the couple and God…we aren't to judge whether their sin is greater than our own sins we all do everyday when faced with choices by the minute…but at the same time it's the religious right of the church to choose not to perform it. The couple can go elsewhere to get married. So, no big deal.

Face the Nation Panel said Trump is not going to self destruct like originally thought and for the first time they're seeing that he could win the nomination (said by the Washington Post representative).
 

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