How do you feel about abortion?

Ok,Just back up a second! Why the hell should the responsibility for birth control fall on me or any man?
Just for practicality sakes, MY God I am not the one getting pregnant. Sure it would be nice if your prospective stud was considerate,but! Plain and simple the ultimate responsibility falls on the woman. Fair, right, wrong, has nothing to do with it.
 

Robusta said:
Ok,Just back up a second! Why the hell should the responsibility for birth control fall on me or any man?
Just for practicality sakes, MY God I am not the one getting pregnant. Sure it would be nice if your prospective stud was considerate,but! Plain and simple the ultimate responsibility falls on the woman. Fair, right, wrong, has nothing to do with it.
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Fair or not, I'm sure some men who are paying exorbitant child support payments might beg to differ after some cute little bundle of joy appeared at their door some nine months later or even 1-15 later from a one night stand or other encounter. Court imposed payments happen all the time. So, you surely just as much will be getting pregnant.
 
Ah, April, the voice of reality/sanity. Too bad guys. No glove, no love. Rrrraaassppberry. I have no sympathy for men who do not take precautions. My son had a box of condoms(bought by me) in his room at sixteen. That way, if he was ever accused of impregnating anyone, pfuilll. He knew his childhood would end if he became a father. He was and is highly responsible. Besides, guys, remember Aids?
 

Robusta said:
Ok,Just back up a second! Why the hell should the responsibility for birth control fall on me or any man?
Just for practicality sakes, MY God I am not the one getting pregnant. Sure it would be nice if your prospective stud was considerate,but! Plain and simple the ultimate responsibility falls on the woman. Fair, right, wrong, has nothing to do with it.
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True, you won't be the one getting pregnant, but it is your body part that entered into the equation, remember? Either take responsibility or don't throw your sperm around.
 
Robusta said:
Ok,Just back up a second! Why the hell should the responsibility for birth control fall on me or any man?
Just for practicality sakes, MY God I am not the one getting pregnant. Sure it would be nice if your prospective stud was considerate,but! Plain and simple the ultimate responsibility falls on the woman. Fair, right, wrong, has nothing to do with it.
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LOL....unbelievable.
 
Robusta said:
Ok,Just back up a second! Why the hell should the responsibility for birth control fall on me or any man?
Just for practicality sakes, MY God I am not the one getting pregnant. Sure it would be nice if your prospective stud was considerate,but! Plain and simple the ultimate responsibility falls on the woman. Fair, right, wrong, has nothing to do with it.
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HAHAHAHA.. Until that court Summons appears on your doorstep... then let's talk "responsibility" That DNA proves you are the daddy... better be ready to pay for 18 years and beyond if the kid wants to go to college..
 
I knew that would hit the fan!
But seriously,When you are ultimately the one that has the biological capability of giving birth to another living being,why oh why, would you, under any circumstance relinquish your control of that function?
Like I said right, wrong, morality, fairness, social norms and expectations are constructs having nothing to do with the reality of being faced with the fact that you, not him, is pregnant.
 
Robusta said:
Ok,Just back up a second! Why the hell should the responsibility for birth control fall on me or any man?
Just for practicality sakes, MY God I am not the one getting pregnant. Sure it would be nice if your prospective stud was considerate,but! Plain and simple the ultimate responsibility falls on the woman. Fair, right, wrong, has nothing to do with it.
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Yes I agree a woman should take care of herself in this area, but what modern self respecting woman, would want to be involved sexually with the type of man you describe?
 
I am a bit late coming to this thread, but to give another perspective, in Russia abortion was the main form of birth control during the Soviet era. The majority of women had several abortions during their life. Many of Lisa's friends had in excess of twenty. The other interesting thing is that there is in general no emotion attached to the abortion, the woman sees it as a fact of life and has no regrets. This implies that an emotional reaction to having an abortion is a learned cultural response?

The current problem here is the Orthodox church is gradually taking over state moral affairs, with Putin's blessing. They are bringing in laws to charge heavily for abortions which will affect poor people of course. They have already censored the theatre and cinema, where all swear words are removed, its going back a century in many ways. The gay community doesn't stand a chance at all.
 
Merlin, bravo, I cannot imagine any woman of my acquaintance wanting any sexual involvement with a man who espoused such an antideluvian perspective re sexual/reproductive responsibility. This attitude goes far beyond a woman taking care of herself. Stud, indeed. Creeps me out, therapist that I am.
 
Merlin, fascinating sociological slant on guilt as a learned response to abortion. Interesting also that Putin, former KGB thug,supports many of the Orthodox teachings. I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that the Russian priests tended to be arrogant, why do you think that is?
 
QuickSilver said:
HAHAHAHA.. Until that court Summons appears on your doorstep... then let's talk "responsibility" That DNA proves you are the daddy... better be ready to pay for 18 years and beyond if the kid wants to go to college..
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Yup! Geez, it's not like the woman gets herself pregnant -- ultimate responsibility on the woman, my rear end! I doubt child support is very pleasant to cough up ever month just because you can't be bothered about birth control. If I were a male, I'd be being VERY careful. I believe it is the moral (and legal) responsibility of both parties, but I just never trusted the man to do it. Still wouldn't.
 
Shalimar said:
Merlin, fascinating sociological slant on guilt as a learned response to abortion. Interesting also that Putin, former KGB thug,supports many of the Orthodox teachings. I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that the Russian priests tended to be arrogant, why do you think that is?
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Its about control Shali, the Orthodox church here has a great deal of power it being such a religious country, Putin is basically a weak man inside, and is terrified of losing power/control, (as most leaders are) so he hitches a ride on the church. There is a video clip somewhere that Lisa showed me a while ago which shows a priest going up to Putin to kiss his hand, and Putin hastily pulls his hand away in disgust.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Settle down gentlemen. This is primarily an issue for women because for too long men had all the say about it.

IMO the only thing I want to hear from men is how they have felt if they have had to suffer the loss of one of their unborn children.

I contemplated having a abortion when I was 19 years old and unmarried. I am glad that at that time it was illegal and my then boyfriend and I decided to marry and face the responsibility of raising our child. She is now one of our greatest blessings and I am very glad that she was not terminated just because she was inconvenient.

That said, I make no judgement on any woman who decides to seek a termination. Women don't choose abortion IMO. Sometimes it is the only choice available in their particular circumstances. They decide to have one but would prefer to have better choices.
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Dame Warrigal,IMHO, that is not quite right about it being "primarily an issue for women". It takes 2 to tango and the man has some rights when the question is raised about aborting the child, his child also.
2 people were a part of the act,2 people were unprotected, a baby is formed so both people have the right to make the decision, not just the women.
 
merlin said:
Yes I agree a woman should take care of herself in this area, but what modern self respecting woman, would want to be involved sexually with the type of man you describe?
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Merlin very well said.
Some thought has to be put in train before 2 humans climb into a bed as to the end result. Both must think before the next day when it is all over and too late.
 
koala said:
Dame Warrigal,IMHO, that is not quite right about it being "primarily an issue for women". It takes 2 to tango and the man has some rights when the question is raised about aborting the child, his child also.
2 people were a part of the act,2 people were unprotected, a baby is formed so both people have the right to make the decision, not just the women.
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I think I covered the feeling of the man who loses his unborn child. Grandparents, if they are aware of the pregnancy, also feel that they have lost something. However, at the last post, the woman must have the final say. Forcing her to carry a baby to full term has, too often in the past, been used to subjugate women.
 
merlin said:
Its about control Shali, the Orthodox church here has a great deal of power it being such a religious country, Putin is basically a weak man inside, and is terrified of losing power/control, (as most leaders are) so he hitches a ride on the church. There is a video clip somewhere that Lisa showed me a while ago which shows a priest going up to Putin to kiss his hand, and Putin hastily pulls his hand away in disgust.
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Could it be Putin has learned from the USA? He sees how easy it is to control people by dragging religeon into politics?
 
Just my opinion but the Russian Orthodox Church was once the state religion of Russia. It was a symbol of the Russian nation and supported the Czars and the nobility. After the revolution it was abolished because the new regime didn't trust it. Since Glasnost it has gradually emerged from the shadows but is threatened by the encroachment of other faiths such as Roman Catholicism and evangelical Protestantism. I suspect a deal between Putin and the Orthodox leadership. He is effectively the new czar and the church is supporting him. At least, that is how I see it.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Just my opinion but the Russian Orthodox Church was once the state religion of Russia. It was a symbol of the Russian nation and supported the Czars and the nobility. After the revolution it was abolished because the new regime didn't trust it. Since Glasnost it has gradually emerged from the shadows but is threatened by the encroachment of other faiths such as Roman Catholicism and evangelical Protestantism. I suspect a deal between Putin and the Orthodox leadership. He is effectively the new czar and the church is supporting him. At least, that is how I see it.[/QUOTE]

Yes Dame I have just asked Lisa's opinion and she strongly agrees with the latter highlighted comment, (and probably the history but that is relying on history books), but says there is very little support for Roman Catholicism or Protestantism, though possibly Islam could become a threat in the future.

Putin uses "God" a lot in his recent speeches, and they sound to me, a bit like some of the George Bush speeches about doing God's work.
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