I Guess We Men Do See Things Differently Than Women.

Warrigal said:
I've been thinking about this topic seriously and from a different perspective.

Speaking generally, men and women do see things differently. Men underestimate the maternal instinct, that manifests long before girls are able to have babies. During our marriage I am sure that my husband would have stepped forward to protect me and our children but he wasn't as alert to the many threats to their safety and welfare as I was. The only times that I was implacable during our marriage was when he wanted to do something that I considered to be unsafe with the children. He could not understand why I was being difficult when I was usually very easy going.
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And then there are those of us women who don't have the maternal instinct and are looked down upon by other women (and some men) because of it.
 

I suspect there might be a large difference between men and some women because we have bred for them Those kinds of women were more valued by men so were more likely to mate with and produce offspring. Gradually over the millennia those differences have become inbred in our species.
 
officerripley said:
And then there are those of us women who don't have the maternal instinct and are looked down upon by other women (and some men) because of it.
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I'm sorry that your experience has been so negative. IMO many people don't actually need reasons to look down on women. The opposite side of the coin to your experience is women who choose to have children are disparaged as breeders.

I'm not a biologist but I am aware that it is unwise to make generalisations based on scientific studies. I did learn long ago (so the learning may be well out of date) that some human and other animal behaviour is driven by innate instincts.

I am not really up to explaining instincts, drives and learned behaviour but examples of them are given in this wiki link

Instinct - Wikipedia

Below is probably a more recent explanation based on more modern studies
Note - the numbering below is different on Wiki because I deleted some of the points.

In humans[edit]​

Among possible examples of instinct-influenced behaviour in humans are the following.

  1. Infant cry is believed to be a manifestation of instinct. The infant cannot otherwise protect itself for survival during its long period of maturation. The maternal and paternal bond manifest particularly in response to the infant cry. Its mechanism has been partly elucidated by observations with functional MRI of the parent's brain.[25][26]
  2. Hormones are linked to specific forms of human behaviour, such as sexuality.[28] High levels of testosterone are often associated in a person (male or female) with aggressiveness.[29][30] Decrease in testosterone level after the birth of a child was found among fathers.[31][32]
  3. Maternal bond or maternal instinct is when a mother develops a relationship to a child to provide for its well-being. Maternal oxytocin is the hormone and neuropeptide thought to be responsible for predisposing women to showing bonding behavior and bonding.[35][36]
  4. Cooperation behavior or social instinct has been postulated as an instinct necessary for the future survival of people.[39]
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Warrigal said:
The opposite side of the coin to your experience is women who choose to have children are disparaged as breeders.
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I haven't heard of that but I guess it doesn't surprise me; as you said, "...many people don't actually need reasons to look down on women." The area that I find myself stranded in here is usually so traditional and with such fixed ideas about womanhood (i.e., motherhood) that I guess that's why I haven't heard of it but instead have gotten the shocked, "You chose not to have children?!" I'm sorry if you've experienced the "breeder" comments. How humans do judge.
 
Murrmurr said:
and also I'm not wrong.

I think (in reality) girls associate horses with Princes and Knights in shining armor and other romantic conjurings.

Men see speed and strength, and maybe potential for a good day at the races.
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I think girls like horses because they are magnificent, noble creatures. Girls are sympathetic because (unlike dogs) horses are a captured enslaved species, and girls feel affection because horses allow themselves to be hugged and petted and related to.
 
officerripley said:
I haven't heard of that but I guess it doesn't surprise me; as you said, "...many people don't actually need reasons to look down on women." The area that I find myself stranded in here is usually so traditional and with such fixed ideas about womanhood (i.e., motherhood) that I guess that's why I haven't heard of it but instead have gotten the shocked, "You chose not to have children?!" I'm sorry if you've experienced the "breeder" comments. How humans do judge.
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I haven't myself. It started up as a thing long after my kids were grown up.
 
I gave up hoping for compliments from my husband a long time ago. If pressed he just says I always look nice. I think men are oblivious to details.

But us ladies always notice anything new about each other. I've always been a woman who gets on well with women.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Why are women shorter than men?
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I have met a lot of women taller than me. I'm 5' 8". There's a married woman at work that I joke about hockey with and other things. She's over 6 feet tall. Matter of fact, her husband whom I worked with in another nursing home, is also shorter than her. I have long since stopped thinking that women are shorter than men..
 
Yes, it isn't true as a fact, but it is true generally. I liked how Bing Chat answered the question.

According to the data from the web search results, women are generally shorter than men in most countries and regions of the world. The average height of women is usually lower than the average height of men by several centimeters or inches. However, there are some exceptions where women are taller than men, such as in some African countries like Lesotho and Eritrea1

The difference in height between men and women is partly due to genetics, hormones, nutrition, and environmental factors. Some studies suggest that testosterone, a hormone that is more abundant in men, promotes bone growth and muscle mass, which may contribute to height2 On the other hand, estrogen, a hormone that is more prevalent in women, may limit the growth of long bones and cause earlier closure of growth plates3

The height gap between men and women has also changed over time, as both sexes have experienced different rates of growth due to improved living standards, health care, and nutrition. Some historical evidence indicates that women were closer to men in height in the past, but the gap widened during the Industrial Revolution and the 20th century4 However, some recent studies suggest that the gap may be narrowing again in some regions, such as Europe and North America5

Therefore, based on the available information, it is fair to say that women are shorter than men on average, but there are variations across countries and over time.
 
officerripley said:
I haven't heard of that but I guess it doesn't surprise me; as you said, "...many people don't actually need reasons to look down on women." The area that I find myself stranded in here is usually so traditional and with such fixed ideas about womanhood (i.e., motherhood) that I guess that's why I haven't heard of it but instead have gotten the shocked, "You chose not to have children?!" I'm sorry if you've experienced the "breeder" comments. How humans do judge.
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Using the term "breeders " is common in the gay and lesbian world to describe natural child birth. I find it hugely laughable because all of those people are the result of exactly that, males and female having sexual intercourse. JimB.
 
Paladin1950 said:
I have met a lot of women taller than me. I'm 5' 8". There's a married woman at work that I joke about hockey with and other things. She's over 6 feet tall. Matter of fact, her husband whom I worked with in another nursing home, is also shorter than her. I have long since stopped thinking that women are shorter than men..
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Once upon a time a 6 foot woman would have been seen as some kind of oddity.. but not now.. at least not here where I live. The woman and the men are routinely tall now.. nothing for a woman to be 5.10 or 6 ft here .. and men 6 inches taller.. even the teen boys are 6 feet plus.

What I would like to know is why does a woman at 6 ft...look so much taller than a man at 6 ft.. ?
 
officerripley said:
I haven't heard of that but I guess it doesn't surprise me; as you said, "...many people don't actually need reasons to look down on women." The area that I find myself stranded in here is usually so traditional and with such fixed ideas about womanhood (i.e., motherhood) that I guess that's why I haven't heard of it but instead have gotten the shocked, "You chose not to have children?!" I'm sorry if you've experienced the "breeder" comments. How humans do judge.
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...but it doesn't stop there. If like me you only have one child, one is constantly harangued to have another... if you have 2 the same sex you're told you should try for more to get an opposite sex. This happens to women almost exclusively.. not the men
 
hollydolly said:
Once upon a time a 6 foot woman would have been seen as some kind of oddity.. but not now.. at least not here where I live. The woman and the men are routinely tall now.. nothing for a woman to be 5.10 or 6 ft here .. and men 6 inches taller.. even the teen boys are 6 feet plus.

What I would like to know is why does a woman at 6 ft...look so much taller than a man at 6 ft.. ?
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High heels?
 
hollydolly said:
I knew someone would say that...no of course not... ..the women always look taller.. rarely do women 6 feet tall wear high heels unless they're on the catwalk
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I haven't worn high heels since my twenties and the only way I can look tall is to stand next to my friend who is actually a dwarf, and half my height.

I haven't measured my height in a long time. In my youth I measured a full 5' 1 1/2 " (155 cm). I'm an inch taller than my sister and three inches taller than my mother was, so clearly our height is defined by our genetics. Hubby is (was) six foot (180 cm) so our daughter is a lot taller than me, however, she is about average for her cohort of school friends.

It is interesting to note that English sailors circa 1870s were not much taller than me. One of my ancestors on Dad's side sailed to Australia on the HMS Dido, an English ship of the line. He deserted in Sydney and is mentioned in the NSW Police gazette together with a full physical description. So are other English navy deserters. The tallest seem to be about 5' 4". Quite a number were only 5' 2"

The children of the original transported convicts grew to be much taller than their parents. This phenomenon indicates that genetics alone is not the determinator of height. Environment and nutrition also play a big part.
 
Paladin1950 said:
Yesterday at the nursing home where I work, one woman in my department came in with a different hair style. My supervisor (also a woman) went on for awhile about it. She saw me and said, "Rob! Look at Beth's hair!" I looked at her hair, and turned to my supervisor and said, "What's the big deal? She's always had hair!":giggle:
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This is definitely the wrong thing to say to any lady. She made the effort to change her hair and you should have said how lovely she looks. To a lady, hair style is a big thing.

Of course, if the hair style is really way out or crazy, I just wouldn't say anything. I believe it's called diplomacy!
Yes, men and women do look at some thing differently. It's best to remember this.
 

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