I Have Been Seeing War Bulletins About Russia's Intentions

ohioboy said:
My question is once the attack plan was in place, despite Putin's claim it was simply a military exercise, why weren't preemptive measures taken to thwart it?
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because Putin has nukes and he is nuts and the world community is very nervous about opposing him, or how to oppose him, without risking nuclear war. Like a Mafia don, he has used that threat, to get away with horrible things in Ukraine, and before that, in Georgia, Chechnya and Syria.

This time is different. The world community is responding. And it is not likely that the world community is going to back down to him. Hopefully, the brinksmanship will end.

Hopefully, his generals will convince him to come to some negotiated peace...
 
JonSR77 said:
because Putin has nukes and he is nuts and the world community is very nervous about opposing him, or how to oppose him, without risking nuclear war. Like a Mafia don, he has used that threat, to get away with horrible things in Ukraine, and before that, in Georgia, Chechnya and Syria.

This time is different. The world community is responding. And it is not likely that the world community is going to back down to him. Hopefully, the brinksmanship will end.

Hopefully, his generals will convince him to come to some negotiated peace...
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Yes.
 

On this board we have already gone over this several times starting weeks ago if anyone wondering has bothered to actually go to and read posted links. So WRONG QUESTION.

Of course the war cannot be justified by Russia's action, and that is just the way neocon warmongers want the issue looked at by the Western public. But then there is more as the war and all its death and destruction really did not need to happen. The real question ought be,

"Did neocon militarists set up Ukraine leaders into believing NATO would really come to their aid, would become part of NATO, if they continued to provoke Russia and their warmonger Kremlin leaders enough that they would actually eventually attack and cause a horrible destructive war?

And as was for weeks predicted, Russia did attack, Ukraine leaders were then apparently instructed by the neocons to show the world how horrible their people were suffering bombed from their world, escaping out of their homeland, massive destruction, and death. As if they did so for long enough weeks plastered daily over compliant Western media, pleading for help, that yes NATO would eventually come to their aid. But a few weeks in after the neocon warmongers admitted they, well would not actually go into Ukraine and Ukraine would never be allowed into NATO, and rather this was all along going to be a PROXY WAR, even Zelenski admitted he was played.
 
David777 said:
On this board we have already gone over this several times starting weeks ago if anyone wondering has bothered to actually go to and read posted links. So WRONG QUESTION.

Of course the war cannot be justified by Russia's action, and that is just the way neocon warmongers want the issue looked at by the Western public. But then there is more as the war and all its death and destruction really did not need to happen. The real question ought be,

"Did neocon militarists set up Ukraine leaders into believing NATO would really come to their aid, would become part of NATO, if they continued to provoke Russia and their warmonger Kremlin leaders enough that they would actually eventually attack and cause a horrible destructive war?

And as was for weeks predicted, Russia did attack, Ukraine leaders were then apparently instructed by the neocons to show the world how horrible their people were suffering bombed from their world, escaping out of their homeland, massive destruction, and death. As if they did so for long enough weeks plastered daily over compliant Western media, pleading for help, that yes NATO would eventually come to their aid. But a few weeks in after the neocon warmongers admitted they, well would not actually go into Ukraine and Ukraine would never be allowed into NATO, and rather this was all along going to be a PROXY WAR, even Zelenski admitted he was played.
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whatever.
 
Murrmurr said:
America has also tried to justify a few outright military invasions of other countries.

No, there's no justification for Russia's decision to invade Ukraine.
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This thread is not about America, just so you know, but about Russia!! I agree there's no justification for what Russian has done but they have given reason we can discuss.
 
Russian ballistic missile weapons systems

Avangard

AVANGARD-1.jpg

www.nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russian-avangard-hypersonic-icbm-serious-threat-169298

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avangard_(hypersonic_glide_vehicle)


Burevestnik

SKYFALL-2.jpg

www.nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russias-skyfall-nuclear-cruise-missile-danger-and-not-only-its-enemies-165699

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik


Kinzhal

KINZHAL-3.jpg

www.nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-bombardments-escalate-its-ground-forces-struggle-201353

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal


Status-6 Poseidon

STATUS-6 POSEIDON-4.jpg

www.nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/does-poseidon-missile-give-russia-edge-naval-combat-194610

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status-6_Oceanic_Multipurpose_System


RS-28 Sarmat

SARMAT-7.jpg

www.nationalinterest.org/tag/sarmat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat


Interesting rebuttal

www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-war-between-russia-and-the-US
 
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Ruthanne said:
what do you think of Russia's justification?
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I think it is mostly Putin's justification. I understand that he will soon be turning 70, he is isolated from reality and he somehow wants to leave his legacy, whatever that is. He could have actually taken credit for improving the Russian economy and quality of life since he gained power, but now his legacy will be one of disdain by both the Russian people and most of the world.
 
dseag2 said:
I think it is mostly Putin's justification. I understand that he will soon be turning 70, he is isolated from reality and he somehow wants to leave his legacy, whatever that is. He could have actually taken credit for improving the Russian economy and quality of life since he gained power, but now his legacy will be one of disdain by both the Russian people and most of the world.
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I hear you you.

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John cycling said:
The US and NATO have been invading toward Russia for many, many years.
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NATO has expanded, not!!! invaded. Every new NATO country does so willingly after completing a membership plan of action and submitting a bill of ratification. No country is co-opted or unwillingly absorbed. As for expansion towards Russia, they seem to think NATO violated some sort of agreement not to expand near them but there's never been a treaty or formal agreement limiting NATO's membership in the Baltics or Scandinavia.


Definitions:

Expand: to increase the extent, number, volume, or scope

Invade: to enter for conquest or plunder, encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another.
 
AnnieA said:
NATO US has expanded, not!!! invaded. Every new NATO country does so willingly after completing a membership plan of action and submitting a bill of ratification. No country is co-opted or unwillingly absorbed. As for expansion towards Russia, they seem to think NATO violated some sort of agreement not to expand near them but there's never been a treaty or formal agreement limiting NATO's membership in the Baltics or Scandinavia.


Definitions:

Expand: to increase the extent, number, volume, or scope

Invade: to enter for conquest or plunder, encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another.
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Iraq?
 
I'm surprised that anyone needs to ask such a question! However, this whole business has brought certain things out into the open. It shows how complacent the whole of Europe has become.
 
RadishRose said:
I don't think the OP had anything to do with Iraq, amigo.
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Yes it does. It is a question about Russia's intentions. It has been stated as Putin's #1 reason that NATO quits invading countries close to it's borders. Some believe NATO doesn't invade ( which is a direct provocation for war ), but in truth it DOES invade countries like Iraq. Where was the demonizing of the US for invading Iraq under false premises lies/propaganda, killing 1000's of innocent children and civilians? Why didn't NATO send arms to the Iraqi's to defend themselves from a oil crazed administration? Did we see televised disaster caused by the thousands of atrocities to the Iraqi people? Tell me why it is ok to demonize Putin and not the US and NATO for the same thing, and knowing that the invasion of Iraq is far and away the eviler act?
 
Paco Dennis said:
Yes it does. It is a question about Russia's intentions. It has been stated as Putin's #1 reason that NATO quits invading countries close to it's borders. Some believe NATO doesn't invade ( which is a direct provocation for war ), but in truth it DOES invade countries like Iraq. Where was the demonizing of the US for invading Iraq under false premises lies/propaganda, killing 1000's of innocent children and civilians? Why didn't NATO send arms to the Iraqi's to defend themselves from a oil crazed administration? Did we see televised disaster caused by the thousands of atrocities to the Iraqi people? Tell me why it is ok to demonize Putin and not the US and NATO for the same thing, and knowing that the invasion of Iraq is far and away the eviler act?
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Thanks for your explanations. I just understand this current crisis to be a separate thing from Iraq.
 
Yes...it is a semi-seperate set of circumstances, but now it involves almost every nation in the world, including the middle east. The problem is the war mongers are threatening and escalating the possibility of WWIII. $Billions of military aid are flowing into Ukraine. This is headed for a devastatingly long and deadly war that could possibly go nuclear.

It is very clear to me that the cheer leading for a big war is a monumental mistake. The cheer leading should be for diplomacy, and an immediate stop to the killing.
 
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Paco Dennis said:
Yes...it is a semi-seperate set of circumstances, but now it involves almost every nation in the world, including the middle east. The problem is the war mongers are threatening and escalating the possibility of WWIII. $Billions of military aid are flowing into Ukraine. This is headed for a devastatingly long and deadly war that could possibly go nuclear.

It is very clear to me that the cheer leading for a big war is a monumental mistake. The cheer leading should be for diplomacy, and an immediate stop to the killing.
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But negotiations/diplomacy aren't working. The stipulations Putin demands on Ukraine are ridiculous. Basically he's saying he'll stop killing if Ukraine promises to become defenseless plus give him a chunk of their country.

Putin keeps changing his story. He's given at least 3 different reasons for the invasion at three different times depending on how things unfold. Like that a kid on his bike who messes up on the jump-ramp; when the other kids laugh he says "I meant to do that."
 

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