I Have Been Seeing War Bulletins About Russia's Intentions

Ruthanne

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Lately I've seen bulletins in the news about why Russia is fighting Ukraine. Do you think this war can be justified by Russia and why?
 

Your kidding us, right? War is never justified unless you think that there are too many people on this planet and a "nice" way to solve that problem is to shot women and children and bomb all the cities. Everyone these days is talking about "moving forward." I suppose this war is Putin's Plan for Moving Forward."
 
Packerjohn said:
Your kidding us, right? War is never justified unless you think that there are too many people on this planet and a "nice" way to solve that problem is to shot women and children and bomb all the cities. Everyone these days is talking about "moving forward." I suppose this war is Putin's Plan for Moving Forward."
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No way am I kidding. Just asked a question no matter how strange you think that is. This is a forum for debate and analysis.
 
before Rome would invade a country...which was always about plunder, increasing wealth and etc...they would engage in a propaganda campaign to diminish the enemy and make them look like uncivilized savages...so that Rome was a "civilizing force."

so the manure of the bull, coming from Russia, is a very very ancient war strategy.

The word "barbarian" comes from how the ancient Romans would mock their adversaries, saying that their language sounded like gibberish, that they were just making the sound "bar, bar, bar, bar, bar."
 
of course there is a justification for the invasion of Ukraine. I don't know what it is but Russia is selling it to it's people. Nationalism, defense from NATO, economic warfare, ethnic destiny. I'm sure they have clever people who can justify anything and a media that can reinforce it. Remember WMD.
 
wimhof said:
of course there is a justification for the invasion of Ukraine. I don't know what it is but Russia is selling it to it's people. Nationalism, defense from NATO, economic warfare, ethnic destiny. I'm sure they have clever people who can justify anything and a media that can reinforce it. Remember WMD.
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What is WMD?
 
The US and NATO have been invading toward Russia for many, many years.
The US in particular has been building a presence in the Ukraine for quite a few years.

What would the US response be if Russia was setting up military bases in Mexico and Canada?
Consider those answers when considering how Russia is responding to the continuing invasions toward them.

WMD = weapons of mass destruction, the US excuse for the invasion of Iraq and for murdering millions of their citizens.
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John cycling said:
The US and NATO have been invading toward Russia for many, many years.
The US in particular has been building a presence in the Ukraine for quite a few years.

What would the US response be if Russia was setting up military bases in Mexico and Canada?
Consider those answers when considering how Russia is responding to the continuing invasions toward them.

WMD = weapons of mass destruction, the US excuse for the invasion of Iraq and for murdering millions of their citizens.
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(The US) Invading to you may be trying to get protection for territories by other nations, and against possible Russian invasions. Russian has proven they will take over any country they can in the past. So we have NATO to defend against Russia--unless you object?

If Russia was setting up military basis in Canada and Russia you could be sure we would defend ourselves. And whose side are you on anyways?
 
John cycling said:
The US and NATO have been invading toward Russia for many, many years.
The US in particular has been building a presence in the Ukraine for quite a few years.

What would the US response be if Russia was setting up military bases in Mexico and Canada?
Consider those answers when considering how Russia is responding to the continuing invasions toward them.

WMD = weapons of mass destruction, the US excuse for the invasion of Iraq and for murdering millions of their citizens.
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Yes but who started it in the Middle East anyway--Osama bin Laden and 911 and before that the insanity of Iraqiis. Who's side are you on anyways?
 
John cycling said:
The US and NATO have been invading toward Russia for many, many years.
The US in particular has been building a presence in the Ukraine for quite a few years.

What would the US response be if Russia was setting up military bases in Mexico and Canada?
Consider those answers when considering how Russia is responding to the continuing invasions toward them.

WMD = weapons of mass destruction, the US excuse for the invasion of Iraq and for murdering millions of their citizens.
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there was exactly ZERO build up of either US or NATO forces, prior to Putin's invasion of Ukraine, prior to his previous invasion of Ukraine, prior to his atrocities in Georgia, Chechnya and Syria.


The UN declared his actions in Syria to be war crimes. I am sure they will shortly declare his actions in Ukraine to be the same.

Virtually the entire world community agrees and does not cite any provocation from the US or NATO...at all.
 
My question is once the attack plan was in place, despite Putin's claim it was simply a military exercise, why weren't preemptive measures taken to thwart it?
 
John cycling said:
The US and NATO have been invading toward Russia for many, many years.
The US in particular has been building a presence in the Ukraine for quite a few years.

What would the US response be if Russia was setting up military bases in Mexico and Canada?
Consider those answers when considering how Russia is responding to the continuing invasions toward them.

WMD = weapons of mass destruction, the US excuse for the invasion of Iraq and for murdering millions of their citizens.
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to be clear, I am hardly in agreement with everything that the US does.

I think the US helped save the entire world during WWII. And I think the US has done an enormous amount of good, all over the world.

I think the US has also, sometimes, been in bed with greedy corporations and done their bidding, instead of serving the democratic interests of the people.

It seems like every major nation has done some good and also been involved in some level of corruption.


But, two wrongs don't make a right.

Just because the US lied about WMD in Iraq, hardly justifies Putin's actions. If he wants to push the idea that he "needs" to be imperialistic to defend Russia, he can say those words. But just because those words come out of his mouth, does not make them true.

If that idea was legitimate, the world community would be split between its support for Ukraine and its support for Russia.

But the world community is NOT split. It is 141 against Russia. 5 for Russia and 35 abstentions.

Even China refused to support Russia, choosing, instead, to abstain.
 

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