Falcon
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Hey, Whatever it takes ! Better than doing nothing !
If You Can't Beat 'Em, Throw Rocks At 'Em
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RadishRose
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Well, it's more like they were willing to give guns to teachers who want the responsibility and who are highly trained. Not like that clown last week who fired the damn thing accidentally while teaching about gun safety!
I believe it was only a thought.
Big Horn
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High school students are certainly old enough to be armed. An armed society is a polite society for obvious reasons. I started carrying a gun when I was in my second year of high school. I was thirteen. Carrying instills responsibility. Armed individuals always avoid confrontation. We only draw when it's necessary.
I'm glad that I grew up at a time when packing iron was considered at worst to be a minor eccentricity. My high school was private, but the area had begun to have problems. I did notice that armed students never had trouble with locals. I think that carrying a gun modifies the image of the person carrying.
I'm glad that I grew up at a time when packing iron was considered at worst to be a minor eccentricity. My high school was private, but the area had begun to have problems. I did notice that armed students never had trouble with locals. I think that carrying a gun modifies the image of the person carrying.
SifuPhil
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Yes, the numerous shooters are very polite.
Butterfly
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This is without a doubt the most damn-fool thing I've ever heard. It sounds like something out of a Monty Python movie (the Holy Grail one comes to mind), and would be hysterically funny if it wasn't just so flat stupid! Somebody should do a drug test on the idiot that thought this one up. In-freakin'-credible!
those were my very first thoughts when I begun to read this thread this morning
That's insane. Whats next; rock throwing class? Like everyone has said, someone throws a rock at the shooter is sure to garner the shooter's attention. Even if 15 kids are throwing rocks, the shooter will continue to fire his weapon and take out as many people as he can. I worked up in that area of PA for awhile and I know the culture of the people. Most of them are not to be messed with and just want to be left alone and live their quiet life, but this rock throwing idea is a little over the top.
IKE
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Agree BF.
I also like the idea of training and arming responsible and thoroughly screened teachers that volunteer to be armed to protect their students as well as themselves.....in the amount of time that it takes law enforcement to be notified, arrive and locate the shooter several lives could be saved by having a armed and trained teacher put a end to the situation.
About the buckets of rocks, are the students supposed to haul them around with them all day, from class to class? Do they take them to recess and to the lunchroom also? Are all kids, of all ages, supposed to be armed with these rocks? What about kids who are aggressive bullies? Does the idiot who proposed this really think they will just keep the rocks sitting sedately by their side? (Math lesson gets a little boring? Whizzzz! Ping!)
This idea is so absurd that I suspect it was just proposed as a joke.
This idea is so absurd that I suspect it was just proposed as a joke.
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i dont approve of teachers having guns--she would have to keep it locked up and by time a shooter came in it would take time to unlock the drawer-- i think if they stopped the back packs and had metal detectors at the doors and had security at every door that would do their job and not be messing with their cell phones--these kids dont need backpacks-- if the teachers would do their job a kid wouldnt need home work. kids are in school all day and dont need to be staying up till 10 oclock at night to do home work
TonyK
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The rocks are stored in the classroom closet Sunny. Our schools have keys to lock classroom doors. This only slows down a shooter. The rocks are a last resort if I understood the article. I'd assume all staff are trained on how to protect their students in the event they are stuck in a classroom and a shooter is roaming the halls.
As a sub, I'd consider every option available to me if I ever have to face this situation.
As a sub, I'd consider every option available to me if I ever have to face this situation.
SifuPhil
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Agreed - every logical option.
But pitting rocks against a firearm is, IMHO, a very large de-evolutionary step.
In fact, I'd rather see armed and trained teachers. It wouldn't cost as much as full-time security (need to hire private ones, don't think the local police can afford the manpower) and it would be on a voluntary basis.
I understand that people argue that a teacher is there to teach, not play sheriff, but this isn't 1958 anymore. It's a brave new world where we're scrambling to come up with ANY solution, even a temporary one like this.
TonyK
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I'm seeing leaders floundering while trying to do the right thing for America. A lot of rhetoric but very few satisfactory solutions. Where is the blue-ribbon panel of doers and thinkers who will provide solutions effective by the next school year in the fall?
The Secretary of Education, Congressmen and women, Generals, NRA delegate, gun manufacturer delegate, students, school architects, etc. etc. should be willing to adopt new plans and set time frames to implement them.
Instead of this our leaders are rehashing debates about the second amendment and finding stories about David and Goliath rock stars that don't accomplish anything. One simple idea is to hire more veterans who want to teach and serve their students by protecting them in a crisis. One of my schools has three former Marines teaching there who all have combat experience. We need as many ideas as possible and people motivated to adopt them.
The Secretary of Education, Congressmen and women, Generals, NRA delegate, gun manufacturer delegate, students, school architects, etc. etc. should be willing to adopt new plans and set time frames to implement them.
Instead of this our leaders are rehashing debates about the second amendment and finding stories about David and Goliath rock stars that don't accomplish anything. One simple idea is to hire more veterans who want to teach and serve their students by protecting them in a crisis. One of my schools has three former Marines teaching there who all have combat experience. We need as many ideas as possible and people motivated to adopt them.
Lara
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This is crazy on so many levels. Plus, rocks are weapons and the mean kids, more than likely, may throw them at each other on the playground when they get mad enough. It seems to me, when given a weapon, guys (and some gals) are itching to use it.
SifuPhil, I don't think arming teachers would ever be a viable answer. For one thing, the teachers would never agree to it, never mind all the other things wrong with it. I think, expense or no expense, we need (good) security guards in the schools. And the entrances to the schools should be monitored by security personnel and x-ray devices, the same as we have in airports and museums. You can't even get into a sports stadium without going through security. So, why not the schools? Makes a lot more sense to me than arming teachers.
SifuPhil
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I've heard that several teachers (at least) have already volunteered their services. I also like TonyK's idea about hiring teachers who are also vets. Two birds with one stone.
Who is going to pay for the security guards? Would you welcome a huge increase in your local school tax? Would everyone else?
I don't see the need for expensive x-ray machines / metal detectors at the entrances - I don't think many of these shooters are packing an automatic rifle in a backpack.
Did you know that they have successfully 3-D printed, and fired, non-metallic pistols?
What about when little Johnny goes to basketball practice after class, when the metal detectors are shut off? He puts the guns in his locker and the next day ...
Sifu, there will always be a few exceptions. But the vast majority of the teachers' unions are solidly against this dumb idea.
Who will pay for the security guards? Well, who pays for the security guards now, at airports, sports stadiums, concert venues, etc.? Why should this be any different? Are you really serious? Arm teachers in order to save a few piddly bucks for security personnel? There would be a massive teacher walkout, ultimately resulting in much more expense to the public. Or the complete breakdown of our public school system.
I just read a tragic article about a disturbed teenager, whose parents knew he was disturbed, removing a gun from his house and shooting his girlfriend's parents dead with it, and trying to kill himself. He's critically injured. The gun was not secured, he just helped himself to it. Who is to say that every teacher will be so wonderful about keeping the gun locked up, and then be able to get it out in time to use it? And there are unfortunately a good number of disturbed kids, including in regular public school classrooms, who would just love to get their hands on that gun. All it takes is a moment of inattention.
BTW, the reason he killed the girl's parents is that they tried to get her to break up with him, because he was a neo-Nazi. So because of her choice of a boyfriend, this teenaged girl will now have to live with this tragedy against her parents, for the rest of her life. But ultimately, the blame goes to his idiot parents, who should be locked up for keeping an unsecured gun in the house, knowing that their son was suicidal and dangerous.
About little Johnny and his basketball practice, I really think there are more important matters at issue than worrying about that. Just keep the security guards on duty an extra hour or two, for God's sake!
I used to be a teacher. I would quit instantly if I were expected to keep a gun in the classroom. So would every teacher I know. This is an incredibly insane idea.
Who will pay for the security guards? Well, who pays for the security guards now, at airports, sports stadiums, concert venues, etc.? Why should this be any different? Are you really serious? Arm teachers in order to save a few piddly bucks for security personnel? There would be a massive teacher walkout, ultimately resulting in much more expense to the public. Or the complete breakdown of our public school system.
I just read a tragic article about a disturbed teenager, whose parents knew he was disturbed, removing a gun from his house and shooting his girlfriend's parents dead with it, and trying to kill himself. He's critically injured. The gun was not secured, he just helped himself to it. Who is to say that every teacher will be so wonderful about keeping the gun locked up, and then be able to get it out in time to use it? And there are unfortunately a good number of disturbed kids, including in regular public school classrooms, who would just love to get their hands on that gun. All it takes is a moment of inattention.
BTW, the reason he killed the girl's parents is that they tried to get her to break up with him, because he was a neo-Nazi. So because of her choice of a boyfriend, this teenaged girl will now have to live with this tragedy against her parents, for the rest of her life. But ultimately, the blame goes to his idiot parents, who should be locked up for keeping an unsecured gun in the house, knowing that their son was suicidal and dangerous.
About little Johnny and his basketball practice, I really think there are more important matters at issue than worrying about that. Just keep the security guards on duty an extra hour or two, for God's sake!
I used to be a teacher. I would quit instantly if I were expected to keep a gun in the classroom. So would every teacher I know. This is an incredibly insane idea.
RadishRose
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Sunny, I was under the impression that NO teacher would be required. Only those who volunteer and would already have been trained to use and would receive raises. I'm not 100% for it either though.
Aunt Bea
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I'm afraid that the issue of school safety will end up similar to the fight against terrorism/Homeland Security. We will create a huge bureaucracy and add another trillion dollars to the deficit without really solving the problem.
It seems to me that we need to make sure that the current systems are working properly before we start throwing money at the problem. I also believe that every school in America should perform a security assessment and use existing resources to improve the security and safety of students. Once these basic steps are taken I think we should look at improving the reporting and providing assistance for people in our schools and the surrounding communities that exhibit emotional or mental issues. I realize that not all of these people will become school shooters but the decent thing to do is to help people in crisis.
I also think that we need to look at some common sense changes to the current gun laws, background checks, etc...
I'm afraid that the way things appear to be going we will spend billions of dollars on things that turn our schools into fortresses. While the people intent on causing mayhem will change their approach by capturing a school bus full of kids or attacking students on the sports field, etc... If the focus is only on guns then these evil doers will change their weapon of choice to poison, drones, vehicles, bombs, etc...
No matter what we do the person intent on destruction will always have the advantage. IMO we need to spend the bulk of our time and energy on teaching people to evaluate their surroundings, perform risk assessments, protect themselves and report anything that seems odd or suspicious.
It seems to me that we need to make sure that the current systems are working properly before we start throwing money at the problem. I also believe that every school in America should perform a security assessment and use existing resources to improve the security and safety of students. Once these basic steps are taken I think we should look at improving the reporting and providing assistance for people in our schools and the surrounding communities that exhibit emotional or mental issues. I realize that not all of these people will become school shooters but the decent thing to do is to help people in crisis.
I also think that we need to look at some common sense changes to the current gun laws, background checks, etc...
I'm afraid that the way things appear to be going we will spend billions of dollars on things that turn our schools into fortresses. While the people intent on causing mayhem will change their approach by capturing a school bus full of kids or attacking students on the sports field, etc... If the focus is only on guns then these evil doers will change their weapon of choice to poison, drones, vehicles, bombs, etc...
No matter what we do the person intent on destruction will always have the advantage. IMO we need to spend the bulk of our time and energy on teaching people to evaluate their surroundings, perform risk assessments, protect themselves and report anything that seems odd or suspicious.
hearlady
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If there was a shooter I would want my child to run if clearly safe to, hide if it was secure, but if the shooter got close fall down and play dead. Don't stand up and throw rocks and make yourself a target.
First and foremost teach children to value human life and to recognize other children who don't and speak up and up and up.
First and foremost teach children to value human life and to recognize other children who don't and speak up and up and up.
Warrigal
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I am astounded by this suggestion. It is quite insane and a diversion from the important issue of legislating for gun safety through restricted licensing. Bite the bullet before more bodies are riddled with them.