If you know god, then what?

rbtvgo said:
Based on what logic?
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In my experience, most people who rule god out preemptively do so because they have a model of what the world is and how it works and since can't see how god could fit, he just doesn't exist. It is everyone's prerogative to believe what they will where god is concerned but it has always seemed to me that everyone would be better off admitting they don't know. Most non believers prefer the sense the word makes to them without god while believers should admit they believe in trust and hope and not get pushy about it. When either side gets smug and condescending about it they won't be heard by the other side.
 

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rbtvgo said:
The principles do not come first. It is really very simple. Sit down, clear your mind and pray. Finish your prayer and go about your day.
When things happen to surprise you remember your efforts to reach God. Then reach out to HIM again.
Most times we talk more then we listen. He doesn't have to explain himself to you. You need to explain yourself to him. He is GOD, you are his creation.
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It wasn't me that said principles come first and don't tell me how to manage my spiritual life.
 
Our belief in the creator has no bearing on whether or not God exists. An ant has a better chance of toppling Rome, than we do of denying there isn't something much bigger running this show. I think it comes down to pride - you're not the boss of me and you can't tell me what to do.
 

ChiroDoc said:
I always liked Aldous Huxley's comment when asked, what is God.
He replied, "God is the inner experience of principles applied."
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I take this to mean that Huxley considers a set of ethics that we learn in order to work together as principles. If we apply them we achieve a sense of contentment, which he calls God. It's rather poetic, and therefore not totally clear, but as poetry we can insert our own understanding into it. He leaves the door open for discussion. It's a clever way to say something, which often requires one to work their way to find their own meaning in a thought.
 
JustDave said:
I take this to mean that Huxley considers a set of ethics that we learn in order to work together as principles. If we apply them we achieve a sense of contentment, which he calls God. It's rather poetic, and therefore not totally clear, but as poetry we can insert our own understanding into it. He leaves the door open for discussion. It's a clever way to say something, which often requires one to work their way to find their own meaning in a thought.
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I hate poetry.
 
Poetry doesn’t exist for those who don’t notice the limitations of language. Words are crude placeholders that can’t possibly render every human experience. Useful for accomplishing tasks cooperatively and recording rainfall but not for what it is like to be human. That is what poetry is for.

“A curiosity about the limitations of language has motivated much of my work. Poetry dances with silence and all our sensations outside its words, sensations that build meaning and knowledge in ways words can’t. Even words describing a tender embrace in careful detail are only tender with the embraces we’ve felt, in our bodies, some memory of tender touches. If our experiences are limited, as when we’re young, stories can build some of those memories in us, constructed on what we do know, filled in by imagining. Poetry is a bit different than stories, at least for me. Poetry relies on what remains unsayable, what is not words.”

A More Visceral Sense of Language’s Limitations · Speak Mag

Leah Souffrant
 
rbtvgo said:
The principles do not come first. It is really very simple. Sit down, clear your mind and pray. Finish your prayer and go about your day.
When things happen to surprise you remember your efforts to reach God. Then reach out to HIM again.
Most times we talk more then we listen. He doesn't have to explain himself to you. You need to explain yourself to him. He is GOD, you are his creation.
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Was Hitler one of "God's creations?"
 
"God is the inner experience of principles applied" according to Huxley. Had to keep running that thru my mind. Finally it hit. To Huxley, God is not an entity but just a verb.
In other words there is no God according to him.
Okay.....let's run with that. Creation now becomes a puzzle. The balance of nature is now a puzzle. We exist because???????? another puzzle.

The wisdom of the wise is foolish, as the Bible says, Psalms, look it up.
Oh no! pick up a bible....not going to happen. Don't need to read, I know, period!

"God is the inner experience of principles applied"..................................where did the principals come from????????

People talk like they are experts on our existence, origins and intellect. Like it just happen................Magic!

We accept evolution for all things except ourselves.

WE are Masters of the Universe and excluded from the natural order of things. We will decide all things based on our superior understanding that we magically have.

"God is the inner experience of principles applied", profound, worthy of thought coming from a higher mind than we have. Therefore, it must be true.

No, it is not. It is one mans thoughts, nothing more.

Think for yourselves. He is the creator and we are the creation.
 
rbtvgo said:
very true. Someone bigger is running the show.
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Interesting, and very thought provoking. If we look for God in the matter that is around us, we find each thing gets smaller and smaller. We can't see the atoms, but it is smaller than that. Science now has theories that matter is infinitesimal small strings that somehow are interacting with each other. Invisible, and almost indivisible, so far. When we are able to see even smaller by 10000 times, when will it end. Now were back to infinite. God is that big. Does the universe have an edge? Square one again. :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
Interesting, and very thought provoking. If we look for God in the matter that is around us, we find each thing gets smaller and smaller. We can't see the atoms, but it is smaller than that. Science now has theories that matter is infinitesimal small strings that somehow are interacting with each other. Invisible, and almost indivisible, so far. When we are able to see even smaller by 10000 times, when will it end. Now were back to infinite. God is that big. Does the universe have an edge? Square one again. :)
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People want to know!
 
MarkD said:
I liked your post because I'm a big fan of Aldous Huxley but, like rbtvgo, I wonder what exactly he meant by that. My favorite book by him is The Perennial Philosophy which has much that would apply in this thread.
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To me, Huxley meant if one follows spiritual principles, one will come to an understanding of God.

It tickles me though that some act as if they absolutely know the truth about God. But IMO God is what makes sense to each individual. After all, there are no facts.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Interesting, and very thought provoking. If we look for God in the matter that is around us, we find each thing gets smaller and smaller. We can't see the atoms, but it is smaller than that. Science now has theories that matter is infinitesimal small strings that somehow are interacting with each other. Invisible, and almost indivisible, so far. When we are able to see even smaller by 10000 times, when will it end. Now were back to infinite. God is that big. Does the universe have an edge? Square one again. :)
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Yes, things are likely both infinitely large and infinitely small at the other end. They keep thinking they've discovered the tiniest particle. But what is that particle made of?

I suspect that there is no beginning or ending to the universe. It's almost impossible to imagine. And no one knows the answers. Will we find out after death? Who knows?
 
ChiroDoc said:
Yes, things are likely both infinitely large and infinitely small at the other end. They keep thinking they've discovered the tiniest particle. But what is that particle made of?

I suspect that there is no beginning or ending to the universe. It's almost impossible to imagine. And no one knows the answers. Will we find out after death? Who knows?
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Infinity outside theoretical physics has not been proven. Yet, looking at infinity as a loop seems to cast a new light somehow, like a perpetually running machine --which does exist.
Also, as far as we know, everything within the universe has a cause. So, what caused man, or the universe, or God if he is in the universe?
Of course, most anything is possible, but one can't help wondering.
 

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