Is it in the governments best interest to let older people die of the virus?

People in 30-40 age group are the most afflicted now. Florida just had a day of close to ten thousand new cases in one day! I just cancelled my dental implant procedure for the second time after three consecutive days of over 5,000 new cases in my city. I can't see lying in the chair with my mouth wide open for two hours.
 

Aneeda72 said:
My whole family are trekkies, 😂, I wish I could watch the new series but I don’t want to pay for an extra channel. Pickard should come out on dvd. I have not seen discover yet but I heard it’s really good as well.

The problem with suicide is, it is against many religions, so you have to refuse treatment.
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Yes, as a former Catholic, I know that some religions consider it a sin and religion should be respected at the end of someone's life.

I'm thrilled to hear about your trekkies! I truly believe that it broadens your cultural awareness and influences your social consciousness.
 

Sunny said:
C'est Moi, where did I ever say that I don't believe that we need to consider the economy?
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I was reacting to your post...

Sunny said:
If all people in this country over a certain age are to be thrown on the scrap heap, it should be made clear that we are also throwing the sick, the weakened, and some of the children. All this in the name of rescuing the economy.
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And there is no reason why people "over a certain age" can't decide for themselves to self-isolate just as we have been doing. No need to be dramatic with the scrap-heap B.S.
 
It occurred to me: a couple of decades ago, some guy- I think he was a politician- said the older generation essentially owes it to younger people to hurry up and die so as to not be a financial burden... and there was no coronavirus or other health issue going on then...
 
JaniceM said:
It occurred to me: a couple of decades ago, some guy- I think he was a politician- said the older generation essentially owes it to younger people to hurry up and die so as to not be a financial burden... and there was no coronavirus or other health issue going on then...
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"don't trust your soul to no backwoods county lawyer and/or those affiliated with them-
see above

Listen old folks, there are enough young folks that would like us to 'just go away,'
we do not want to become their helpers, do we?
 
I'm surprised government and others that share that viewpoint haven't thought of taking an old movie seriously...
after individuals reach 45 yrs old or so, line 'em all up to be turned into Soylent Green... :eek:
There'd be no more need for Medicare, Old-Age homes, Life Insurance that's marketed to older folks, etc.. and it could even end world hunger...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

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C'est Moi said:
I was reacting to your post...



And there is no reason why people "over a certain age" can't decide for themselves to self-isolate just as we have been doing. No need to be dramatic with the scrap-heap B.S.
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Of course you were reacting to my post. Where in my post did I say that I don't care about the economy?

About the self-isolating, isn't that what we are already doing? In those pictures of crowded beaches, roller coasters, happy drunks in bars, etc., how many "old folks" do you see? Most of us have better sense.
 
JaniceM said:
I'm surprised government and others that share that viewpoint haven't thought of taking an old movie seriously...
after individuals reach 45 yrs old or so, line 'em all up to be turned into Soylent Green... :eek:
There'd be no more need for Medicare, Old-Age homes, Life Insurance that's marketed to older folks, etc.. and it could even end world hunger...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

:oops:
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I remember that movie, ugh. 😢
 
I decided years ago after having dealings with those that want to keep people alive no matter what. No thought of quality of life, now I don't say it is all like that. My decision was never to get taken or put into a seniors center. If I get so sick that life is nothing but pain etc. I will end it myself, I refuse to put others through what I saw . In Canada there is help when you decide that it is time. I would rather go on my terms, while I can still function well enough to do what I want.
My idea (one of many) I will make sure everything is taken care of. Then I will rent/ lease or borrow (test drive) the fastest thing I can find.
:cool::devilish::devilish:. Give it the test drive of its life and mine.
Also I agree that we are nowhere near the top of any list of those to be saved. I intend to live as I have lived for what time I have left.. Government is paying for it, why not I more than paid them what I have gotten. To me life is what you make of it, at this age what have you got to lose????:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I strongly support the right to die on one's own terms, i.e., assisted suicide or whatever one wishes to call it, but ONLY if the patient requests it, and only if there are safeguards built in to prevent families deciding that rich Uncle Charlie needs to hurry up and die.

Having said that, however, I think it is both unconscionable and dangerous as hell to decide that the lives of any group of people, whether it's old people, disabled people, poor people, or any other age related, medically related or ethnic or religious group, are not as valuable as the lives of the rest of the population.

We saw with horror how that kind of thinking played out in Europe during WWII when a certain dictator decided that the government had the right to decide that certain groups had no right to take up space on the planet.
 
chic said:
I think inevitably this is what will have to happen, the economy or what is left of it, will have to be reopened whether people die or not. Otherwise no one will be left employed to pay for senior's entitlements. And then what?

I don't think we ever should have shut down to begin with, but should have taken steps to protect the vulnerable to the best of our ability.

Now everyone is just going to be in a mess not of their making. Everyone I talk to is scared, stressed beyond bearing, and can't wait to get back to normal. But normal is beyond us once you shut down or lock down because as soon as you try to come back from it people will get hit with the virus all over again. And this is what is happening.
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i think the reason they decided on the lockdowns was because covid cases were doubling every 2 days from what i had read. don't ask me for a link cuz i don't remember where i read it. it was something from the cdc. and that fauci. they said in total they saved 60 million lives just with the 3 mo of lockdown. i know it's been difficult on the economy but, they were trying to figure out a way to keep us all from dying.
 
MarciKS said:
i think the reason they decided on the lockdowns was because covid cases were doubling every 2 days from what i had read. don't ask me for a link cuz i don't remember where i read it. it was something from the cdc. and that fauci. they said in total they saved 60 million lives just with the 3 mo of lockdown. i know it's been difficult on the economy but, they were trying to figure out a way to keep us all from dying.
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I think it was more like a million lives. Unfortunately, because we reopened to soon in terms of the virus and were not strict enough we may end up with that many dead or more.

I agree Dr. Fauci, other doctors, and some government officials were/are concerned with keeping the elderly population alive. But a lot are not, especially the president, IMO. Florida, which has a concentrated elderly population, had over 9500 new cases of the virus in one day.

Glad I don’t live in Florida! The USA had over 45,000 new cases in one day. But experts are saying the figures could be much higher. The county I live in has now mandatory mask wearing but no way to enforce it. Crazy. While some places are rethinking the opening, most are not.

It is an impossible situation. But I think the elderly population is to be sacrificed upon the alter of the economy. We, the elderly, must decide on how we live the rest of our lives. Shut up away from family in our efforts to endure the virus storm; or decide to go about our business and take the risks of living as normal a life as possible without endangering others.

I am choosing as normal as possible. I wear a mask, wash my hands, and go out as needed.
 
Regardless of what is being said by some politicians, many are following the recommendations by 90% (or more) of medical doctors, RNs, virologists, scientists and epidemiologists.

The young and old people in my circle only go in public when necessary, and wear masks while there. We're keeping safe distances from outsiders, avoiding crowds like the plague they may well be, and frequently washing our hands or using sanitizer.

Bottom line - if DH & I have to keep this up for a year, we will. We won't be thrilled, but we'll do it.
Better to delay life as we'd always known it until 2021, than to play Russian Roulette with science and end up six feet under in 2020.
 
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Manatee said:
Think about that when you are 80+ and the pain won't go away.
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Manatee, here's a news flash from one of those "old folks." Not all people over 80 are living in pain and ready for death. Not even all old people over 90. I see lots of them here, still active, enjoying sports, dancing, travel, you name it. And contrary to what you might think, most older people still have their wits about them. Some unfortunately do get Alzheimers and terrible physical diseases; most do not.

Just wanted to set the record straight. No one in their right mind would regard the coronavirus as a relief; fortunately, very few people are that miserable.
Old people want to continue enjoying life just as much as younger folks do.
 
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