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TabbyAnn

TabbyAnn

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In reading the New Testament and the Quran, the pacifist nature of Jesus and the violent nature of Muhammad become apparent. Jesus taught a self-improvement course for controlling oneself and Muhammad taught a violent political system for controlling others.

As the worldly ruler of Mecca, Muhammad wrote laws in the Quran that would be illegal in the United States today, like chopping off hands for stealing, beatings for adultery, beheadings for infidels, polygamy for men, and so on.

So in order for Muslims to practice the teachings in the Quran, without running afoul of the laws in most countries, they would have to take over the country and establish Sharia law. And we are watching that happen today. Some countries have established political Parties that are opposed to allowing any more Muslims to enter the country. In the United States however, we treat Islam as a religion, gives tax breaks to its mosques, and pretend the violent Islamists aren’t true Muslims, when in fact they are.
 

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A good discussion on NPR with Islamic scholars has made the case that there is a big difference between Muslims who follow Shria law and those who don't. With Shria law being the cause of the violence that is not mainstream for those who follow the Koran. In short, Sharia law is misinterpretation of the Koran...
 

I have heard a similar discussion, Ralphy.....I agree with you.
there is good and evil in all societies...
 
Interesting.

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Dame Warrigal said:
I regard Jesus of Nazareth as a revolutionary (as was Gandhi centuries later).
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Excellent. I agree.

Perhaps with the addition of the Buddha, who did not set out to become a religion himself. Perhaps Jesus, too, was of that frame of mind. Gandhi escaped that happening to him. All 3 pacifists, teachers.
 
It appears to the majority of Westerners that Islam is blood thirsty, violent and certainly mysoginistic... I have yet to see proof that it is otherwise.. Actions speak louder than words..
 
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Ralphy1 said:
A good discussion on NPR with Islamic scholars has made the case that there is a big difference between Muslims who follow Shria law and those who don't. With Shria law being the cause of the violence that is not mainstream for those who follow the Koran. In short, Sharia law is misinterpretation of the Koran...
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I'm hearing in pc world now don't associate Islam and Muslim, they are not interchangeable words.
 
Ramblin Rose said:
Both the Bible and the Quran can be interpreted according to what the reader wants to see.
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The only intelligent way to interpret the Quran is to read it for yourself. The chapters are called Suras.

Read Sura 47 verse 3 which says “When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads until ye make a great slaughter of them”.
How exactly would you interpret this??

Read Sura 5 verse 42 which says “As to the thief, whether man or woman, cut ye off their hands in recompense for their doings.”
How exactly would you interpret this??

Read Sura 24 verse 2 which says “The whore and the whoremonger, scourge each of them 100 stripes and let not compassion keep you from carrying out the sentence of Allah. “
How exactly would you interpret this??

I could go on and on, but the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Muhammad are both very straightforward. They don't leave a lot to interpretation.
 
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TabbyAnn said:
The only intelligent way to interpret the Quran is to read it for yourself. The chapters are called Suras.

Read Sura 47 verse 3 which says “When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads until ye make a great slaughter of them”.
How exactly would you interpret this??

Read Sura 5 verse 42 which says “As to the thief, whether man or woman, cut ye off their hands in recompense for their doings.”
How exactly would you interpret this??

Read Sura 24 verse 2 which says “The whore and the whoremonger, scourge each of them 100 stripes and let not compassion keep you from carrying out the sentence of Allah. “
How exactly would you interpret this??

I could go on and on, but the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Muhammad are both very straightforward. They don't leave a lot to interpretation.
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Convenient omission. This is why a lot of hardcore religious types are taken as hypocritical: either you can walk the talk or you don't. But that's a problem too because then you have people actually attempting to walk the talk which in reality is not possible which circles right back to the first post/premise including a convenient new modification ie sharia law and/or variations.
 
I read today something that disgusted and frightened me no end!

In Saudi Arabia a man was sentenced to 50 lashes every Friday until 1,000 had been completed; THEN imprisoned for TEN YEARS for insulting Islam.

A few minutes ago The Independent reported:
Authorities in Saudi Arabia have publicly beheaded a woman in Islam’s holy city of Mecca, prompting further criticism of the country’s human rights record.

Laila Bint Abdul Muttalib Basim, a Burmese woman who resided in Saudi Arabia, was executed by sword on Monday after being dragged through the street and held down by four police officers.
She was convicted of the sexual abuse and murder of her seven-year-old step-daughter.
A video showed how it took three blows to complete the execution, while the woman screamed “I did not kill. I did not kill.” It has now been removed by YouTube as part of its policy on “shocking and disgusting content”.


 
RadishRose said:
I read today something that disgusted and frightened me no end!

In Saudi Arabia a man was sentenced to 50 lashes every Friday until 1,000 had been completed; THEN imprisoned for TEN YEARS for insulting Islam.

A few minutes ago The Independent reported:
Authorities in Saudi Arabia have publicly beheaded a woman in Islam’s holy city of Mecca, prompting further criticism of the country’s human rights record.

Laila Bint Abdul Muttalib Basim, a Burmese woman who resided in Saudi Arabia, was executed by sword on Monday after being dragged through the street and held down by four police officers.
She was convicted of the sexual abuse and murder of her seven-year-old step-daughter.
A video showed how it took three blows to complete the execution, while the woman screamed “I did not kill. I did not kill.” It has now been removed by YouTube as part of its policy on “shocking and disgusting content”.
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Chris Hayes from Msnbc actually pointed out the hypocrisy of some of the countries with human rights issues marching with the world leaders in Paris. He cited public flogging and prison sentence for a Saudi Arabian who started a blog to discuss issues. And this the problem I have when I hear this isn't Islam or true Muslim. Intermingle with politics the religion will be used for power and discipline rather than spirituality or self improvement.
 
There was an article in the Washington Post today about the mass exodus of Jews out of France and into Israel. The article said that in a way, this is fulfilling Sharia law, which desires to rid France of its Jewish population, which has been there since the time of Jesus.
 
Josiah09 said:
Religion = the major cause of hostility in world today.
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Not only Today...but throughout human history. If it were possible to go clear back to the days of the Egyptian Pharaoh's and all the way up to today, religious fanaticism has probably killed more people than all the major wars of the 20th century. I'll bet that Hell has had to be expanded many times, over the centuries, to accommodate all those who committed atrocities in the name of their various religions.
 
QuickSilver said:
It appears to the majority of Westerners that Islam is blood thirsty, violent and certainly mysoginistic... I have yet to see proof that it is otherwise.. Actions speak louder than words..
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That is why I am not a Muslim. I am however a Christian and my freedom to practise my religion depends on everyone being free to practise theirs. I will speak out in defence of that right for myself and others.

None of us, however, have the right to break the laws of any country we find ourselves in.
If we choose to do so as a matter of conscience then we have to face the consequences.
 
Islam is EVIL!! IMO
Good comparison Tabby.
They think they can gain other countries and win. I don't really think they will. I think many countries have had their own laws and improved those laws for years and years to make it work in today's society. The Quran does not allow for changes for growth in society. That's the problem with it. If it were not so barbaric in what it says, it may be even slightly tolerable by the rest of the world.
I think IS is pissing off the world!!! Well that's good right? You can't just go live in another country and expect that country to bow to their barbaric rules, when that country in all it's diversity has made it work and accepts many nationalities.
RamblinRose: you nailed that one:
Both the Bible and the Quran can be interpreted according to what the reader wants to see.
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Left open for interpretation so that the basic rules can adapt to the times!!!! IS does not see this!!! Muhammad was evil in my opinion. He was not a scholar, but a thief. Do we listen to thief's? No, we do not! But his followers did. His Quran was first of all written by his followers after her died. It therefore was rewritten in the beginning. Most likely interpreted in a way his followers thought and not what it was actually supposed to be. But who really knows, since the first words where not written but told!!!
 

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