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Ok, here's what my English Standard Version says, which I'm not saying is wrong or right k:

John 10:34English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?

Isn't that a possessive apostraphe?

Also, on the other verses:


Psalm 82 English Standard Version (ESV)

Rescue the Weak and Needy

A Psalm of Asaph.


When I read this I see God "reaming" this bunch. The g is not capitalized so I am thinking they call themselves gods.

82 God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked? Selah
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Give justice to the weak and the fatherless;
maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”


[SUP]5 [/SUP]They have neither knowledge nor understanding,
they walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.


[SUP]6 [/SUP]I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.”[SUP][a][/SUP]


[SUP]8 [/SUP]Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit all the nations!

the verse in red is different then the one in ESV. That's where I get very concerned about translations, it's another confusion. But it is still not a capital which the bibles I've read are usually careful about that. Again, it's in our interpretation. Also by saying we are sons, or they were, is true if you believe, because God created all according to the bible. So sons yes, prodigal sons, maybe;)
 

Debbie you need to read more than the bible
here is a list of works that lack official inspiration
Dead Sea Scrolls
all the Cathederals in Europe with Gothic design
John Milton . Paradise lost
Dantes inferno
Byron, Keats and Shelly
Bacon and Newton who both practiced alchemy and esoteric mystism
the Egyptian Book of the Dead


i could go on but I fear it would be fruitless , your quotes will only lead you in circles
 
If I read all those books I'd be more confused then anything. I respect the fact you've read so many books, I've always thought that made people smarter, and I sort of put them on a pedestal. But I'm ok too, having not read as many and honestly, I get brain-overload pretty easy. And just maybe, we "don't need" to read all those books. If we "want" to, that's another thing.
 

It is important to remember to read things that communication=information. Not communication=manipulation

for ever quote in the holly beblie there is a contradiction and at least one misquote.
 
Debby said:
Freedom of speech? Religion?
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Passionate opposition. My freedom of speech.

Not kidding, Debby.
There are some appalling publications out there designed to push certain ideas that lead to abuse of naïve people seeking spirituality.

One evening we had someone come to our church to spruik the "Toronto Blessing" which provokes hysterical behaviour in susceptible people. After one young woman collapsed on the floor in an apparent faint, one of the elder women stood up, stepped over her body and exited the building muttering something like "That's it, I'm leaving". The rest of us were feeling much the same way but were too polite to do anything about it. We've never had a repeat performance in our church but in a neighbouring church a lot of casting out of demons went on, including some involving very young children with behaviour problems.

I have been passionately opposed to biblical fundamentalism and the kind of evangelism that promotes it for all of my adult life and I do bin literature that is aligned with it but not in someone else's church though, so while I would want to bin the material that NWLady saw, I wouldn't actually do it.

People assume that all Christians have the same politics, philosophy, values and beliefs. We don't. We can be as passionate about things we perceive as being wrong as anyone else on this planet. And we can also turn a blind eye when it suits us. We're human, and therefore fallible, just like anyone else. What we hope will save us from ourselves is the example set by Jesus of Nazareth, who is our guiding light and moral compass. Divine or not? It doesn't matter to me. Show me a better ideal to follow or just leave me alone to get on with my life and I'll leave you alone too, but if someone opens a conversation, I will always join in.
 
Forgot, to say it is all someone saying Christ said something, and never an original quote. Which has already been pointed out but somehow needs repeating again ....... And again ...... And again ...... And
 
Well, I think that if the bible brings comfort, and peace to someone, I am all for it. It's the misuse of the bible that upsets me. I don't make fun of it because just because I have lost my faith in it, doesn't make it an untruth.
 
Plants used to cause altered states of consious were definitely involved. Probably not as much as today. Also seizures etc. however it doesn't change much. IF a group of people did stuff because their leader had words in the other world that changed history does't make the history any less real even by western interpretation.
 
Well, I think that if the bible brings comfort, and peace to someone, I am all for it. It's the misuse of the bible that upsets me. I don't make fun of it because just because I have lost my faith in it, doesn't make it an untruth.
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Denise, I agree with you. For many the bible is the ultimate way of life and brings them much peace.
 
This is the value of most religions.. it gives people something to lean on, and peace that everything is in someone else's hands.. (GOD). I personally would rather be the one in charge of my own life, taking the credit OR the blame for all events.
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes... I think there was a lot of smoking and chewing of herb back then too.... lol!
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Maybe so, but there's always been a need with "most" people to believe in God, something to save us from ourselves and each other. If you look at when Jesus came, it was horrible times, more horrible then we now complain about, at least in this country. Maybe Jesus wasn't God, but He gave people hope. I believe peace of mind can go on no matter the outside circumstances.
 
QuickSilver said:
This is the value of most religions.. it gives people something to lean on, and peace that everything is in someone else's hands.. (GOD). I personally would rather be the one in charge of my own life, taking the credit OR the blame for all events.
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If it ever came to having to lean on a person or God, thanks, but I'll lean on God.
 
flowerchild said:
Denise, I agree with you. For many the bible is the ultimate way of life and brings them much peace.
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Yes, and many christians I've met were actually "following" Christ (no one is perfect of course, still human) and the New testament (I mean they were following Him and the NT).
 
QuickSilver said:
This is the value of most religions.. it gives people something to lean on, and peace that everything is in someone else's hands.. (GOD). I personally would rather be the one in charge of my own life, taking the credit OR the blame for all events.
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You are right about that Denise. Hope is a good thing, hang on and hope gets us thru the tough times!
 
nwlady said:
Maybe so, but there's always been a need with "most" people to believe in God, something to save us from ourselves and each other. If you look at when Jesus came, it was horrible times, more horrible then we now complain about, at least in this country. Maybe Jesus wasn't God, but He gave people hope. I believe peace of mind can go on no matter the outside circumstances.
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You and me both! :)
 
QuickSilver said:
One has to be leery of religions who's dogma and rulings can change by a bunch of men getting together and voting on it.. If MAN can change the tenants of a religion, how much is divinely commanded? In other words.. if man can change it, God didn't make it. Most organized religions were invented by man.... for MAN.. and I mean that in the universal and gendered sense.. and like most things man does... for power and for profit.
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All religions were invented by man. I agree with everything else you say.
 
Actually, some of the Israeli Jews bombed all manner of innocent people last summer. Accused of some war crimes also, and attempts to assassinate unfriendly press. Exactly what century is Warren Jeffs stuck in? My own experience of ritual abuse was sanctified by pseudo Christian biblical travesty stuff. People will twist any religion, or political base for their own evil ends, if so motivated. We are a violent species, finding all manner of reasons to abuse and kill each other.
 
People need to feel that there is some control over the accidents of nature. Having a God, gives them someone they can call on to "fix" things. The problem is that the God, ( whichever one that may be ), that they look to for help is just the imaginary creation of another human being. Given the thousands of different Gods that have come and gone, it is obvious, at least to me, that even if there is a God, no one has a clue about its nature, what it thinks, or what it wants, if anything.
Acceptance is the key. "Everything that has a beginning has an ending. Make your peace with that, and all will be well".
 
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