Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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Myrtle said:
My guess is Iran. They've been backing the Houthis for awhile now.
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Hamas in Gaza makes their own (which is why a missile broke apart on its way to Israel and hit that hospital parking lot in Gaza instead).

Most recently, Hamas dug up miles of donated underground water and sanitation pipes to make missiles out of them (which is why they currently have water and sanitation issues).
 
rgp said:
So the Quran just taught hate since ????

If that's the case, then it will never end .
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Yes. The prophet Mohamed told his people that Allah told him that all Jews must die. The Qur'an (or Hadith) even promises that no Jew can hide, because every rock and tree they hide behind will say "There is a Jew hiding behind me."

It will end one of 2 ways; when every Jew is dead, or when Arabs no longer accept that every Jew must be annihilated (and that rocks and trees can talk).
 
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Murrmurr said:
Hamas in Gaza makes their own (which is why a missile broke apart on its way to Israel and hit that hospital parking lot in Gaza instead).

Most recently, Hamas dug up miles of donated underground water and sanitation pipes to make missiles out of them (which is why they currently have water and sanitation issues).
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Yes, you are right that they have homemade and they are not always good. According to this they've also gotten a lot of training, missile components for advanced rockets, etc. smuggled in from Iran.

Initially, Iran’s Quds Force, together with Hezbollah, instructed Hamas engineers in making rockets from common materials like pipes, fertilizer and sugar, said Ido Levy, an associate fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a pro-Israel think tank, in a 2021 paper. This, he wrote, enabled Hamas to begin domestic production of its short-range Qassam rocket, which the militants fired at Israeli towns just north of the Gaza Strip.

Later, Iran began smuggling the components of its own home-manufactured Fajr 3 and Fajr 5 ballistic missiles, with ranges of 27 miles and 47 miles respectively, into Gaza by hiding them aboard ships with cargoes bound for European ports on the Mediterranean.
How Did Hamas Acquire Advanced Rockets?

That article runs down their history of missile making.
 
rgp said:
As far as WWIII ? Worried might not be the best word but ... the thought has crossed my mind.

Look at the world ....

Russia is in Ukraine

Palastine is attacking Isreal

North Korea is a constant threat to [all] [IMO]

China wants to rule the world ... again opinion...

I'm sure I'm forgetting something / someone but .... just the above tells me just how unstable the the globe is.
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I think all it would take is for China to invade Taiwan. But, like you, not something I can control.
 
Supernatural said:
Any of you worried at the possibility of WW3, with all these miniwars popping up, here and there?

Genuinely, I'm concerned. Aren't you?
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The video posted by Hearlady in post 629 explains the lack of ability of surrounding Muslim countries to challenge the might of the Israeli and U.S. military. And it explains why Russia and China might not want involved.

Of course illogical religious beliefs can cause countries like Gaza to make illogical decisions despite their lack of ability. So anything could happen. But a cursory look at Gaza today should dissuade surrounding Muslim countries from making similar mistakes at the state level. Their local terrorist groups are bad enough.

So I tend to think it’s not WW3 from Israel's current conflict . But a wider war with various Muslim terrorist groups is bad enough.
 
Myrtle said:
My guess is Iran. They've been backing the Houthis for awhile now.
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Indeed, Myrtle. Drilling down a bit further, how is it a US destroyer was on station to intercept it? Human sources on the ground in Yemen or satellite imaging? Or both detected the threat.

Bringing up GooglePro for a look see, great circle route would have taken the missile over the full length of Saudi Arabia without detection had the launch succeeded. How is that, esp. after all the billions in equipment US has provided Rhiad with? A straight line distance of some 1,500 miles or 2500 kilometers, give or take. Pretty good capability for a bunch of rag-tag mountain boys.

Curious in order to effect a shoot down the US destroyer would have to have OTH (over-the-horizon) targeting capability. Unknown where the destroyer was on station, Red Sea or Gulf of Aden. Either way, one heck of a shot. OTH was alluded to in a presser when US forces were pulling out of Afghanistan. Guess the technology works.
 
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It's Saturday morning in Israel.

IDF says it hit multiple Hamas sites in overnight Gaza strikes

By Emanuel Fabian Today, 7:41 am

The Israel Defense Forces says it carried out strikes against numerous Hamas sites in the Gaza Strip overnight.
The sites include command centers and various other infrastructure belonging to the terror group, the IDF says.
The military adds that it also struck a number of anti-tank missile launch sites and sniper positions in high-rise buildings.

The military publishes footage of the strikes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715586328224477488
 
Naturally said:
It's Saturday morning in Israel.

IDF says it hit multiple Hamas sites in overnight Gaza strikes

By Emanuel Fabian Today, 7:41 am

The Israel Defense Forces says it carried out strikes against numerous Hamas sites in the Gaza Strip overnight.
The sites include command centers and various other infrastructure belonging to the terror group, the IDF says.
The military adds that it also struck a number of anti-tank missile launch sites and sniper positions in high-rise buildings.

The military publishes footage of the strikes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715586328224477488
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That is a much more damage than occurred at the hospital that Hamas claimed was caused by the IDF deliberately sending a missile.
 
ArnoldC said:
Curious in order to effect a shoot down the US destroyer would have to have OTH (over-the-horizon) targeting capability. Unknown where the destroyer was on station, Red Sea or Gulf of Aden. Either way, one heck of a shot. OTH was alluded to in a presser when US forces were pulling out of Afghanistan. Guess the technology works.
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The destroyer was already stationed in the Red Sea near the southern border of Egypt
.https://abcnews.go.com/International/security-incident-involving-us-navy-destroyer-red-sea/story?id=104147141
The US has several destroyers stationed in the Mediterranean Sea as well. And 2 aircraft carriers.
 
I'll have more to say in this thread another time because it's late. But for now I'll say Hamas should have known that with all the analytical tools and intelligence from Israel and the U.S. involved in this terrible situation, one if not both governments would discover that Hamas was behind the hospital bombing. The trouble, as reported on the news, many Palestinians probably won't believe that conclusion, thus creating more of a rift and more chaos.

On a somewhat personal, sad note, the Imam of one of the largest mosques in the county, who was a very dear friend of my husband, lost 15 family members in Palestine. He was such a big help to our family after my husband passed away, including helping with the funeral and repast. I am not a betting woman, but I'd bet my last dollar that that despite his family's terrible loss, he would never advocate for violence against Israel and certainly not support Hamas.

Some people are either too ignorant to know, or they refuse to acknowledge this fact because they are Islamophobic: Not everyone who shows support for the Palestinian people supports Hamas! Let me say that again: Because we feel for and support the rights of Palestinian people does not mean we support Hamas and condone their heinous actions!!
 
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This talk of WWIII brings up a question in my mind. There are so many conflicts big and small happening now in all corners of the world. I guess what I'm asking is what *determines* what would be defined as a world war? Would we *know* that's what it is right away? Would the determination be a certain number of countries being involved?

When Pearl Harbor was bombed, did people like my grandparents know it was WWII or was it just named that well into the conflict? It's not even 5 a.m. yet, so I hope this isn't a question my pre-coffee brain should know the answer to. I woke up with a thought in my head "wow, what if we're already IN WWIII? And then got to wondering what would need to happen for us to know.

Thank you all for putting up with my prattle... going for my :coffee: now. I reserve the right to delete this post if someone gives me an answer so obvious that it causes me extreme embarrassment. :oops:
 
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ArnoldC said:
Indeed, Myrtle. Drilling down a bit further, how is it a US destroyer was on station to intercept it? Human sources on the ground in Yemen or satellite imaging? Or both detected the threat.

Bringing up GooglePro for a look see, great circle route would have taken the missile over the full length of Saudi Arabia without detection had the launch succeeded. How is that, esp. after all the billions in equipment US has provided Rhiad with? A straight line distance of some 1,500 miles or 2500 kilometers, give or take. Pretty good capability for a bunch of rag-tag mountain boys.

Curious in order to effect a shoot down the US destroyer would have to have OTH (over-the-horizon) targeting capability. Unknown where the destroyer was on station, Red Sea or Gulf of Aden. Either way, one heck of a shot. OTH was alluded to in a presser when US forces were pulling out of Afghanistan. Guess the technology works.
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I think we touched on what was abandoned in Afghanistan early in this thread. i should read more about that and where and how it is being used now. Maybe you will talk more about that, Arnold.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Some people are either too ignorant to know, or they refuse to acknowledge this fact because they are Islamophobic: Not everyone who shows support for the Palestinian people supports Hamas! Let me say that again: Because we feel for and support the rights of Palestinian people does not mean we support Hamas and condone their heinous actions!!
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To be perfectly honest it’s a hard sell for some. Do I believe you support Hamas? No, of course not. I don’t believe the lady I got to know from Lebanon does either but all of this country is not like the big cities. Many of us had not encountered a lot of people from the Middle East. For many, the first time the Middle East was really on our horizon was 9/11. We see in this thread that some know very little about Israel, as well, but Jewish people were a part of the makeup of the country.

The fact that we are all from such different backgrounds but we are talking about this in a civil way in the wee hours gives me some hope for humanity.

Kate, there’s nothing wrong with your question. From reading I’ve done and stories passed down, I think people knew WWII was an all consuming war for survival. It did pretty much involve the whole world. The war effort affected everyone. They called WWI the Great War, the war to end all wars, but it didn’t, and there they were, making sacrifices in food, gas, tires, clothing, everything really and worrying about their family members doing the fighting. They were genuinely worried that Hitler could take over the world. We‘ve had war since but not like that. At least that is my impression.

Now it’s after 4 AM, the cats think it’s time for breakfast and I have to have some coffee.
 
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CallMeKate said:
This talk of WWIII brings up a question in my mind. There are so many conflicts big and small happening now in all corners of the world. I guess what I'm asking is what *determines* what would be defined as a world war? Would we *know* that's what it is right away? Would the determination be a certain number of countries being involved?

When Pearl Harbor was bombed, did people like my grandparents know it was WWII or was it just named that well into the conflict? It's not even 5 a.m. yet, so I hope this isn't a question my pre-coffee brain should know the answer to. I woke up with a thought in my head "wow, what if we're already IN WWIII? And then got to wondering what would need to happen for us to know.

Thank you all for putting up with my prattle... going for my :coffee: now. I reserve the right to delete this post if someone gives me an answer so obvious that it causes me extreme embarrassment. :oops:
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Interesting question. WW II began when Hitler invaded Poland on 3 September 1939. Britain declared war 2 days later because of an existing treaty. I don't know when Italy and Russia joined in but Australia was involved immediately after Britain's declaration of war.

However, it was probably not referred to as WW II until some time later. WW I was initially referred to as the Great War.

Must do some research.
 
Okay, now that I'm more awake, I found this on homework.study.com
Answer and Explanation: In order to qualify as a world war, at least one of three criteria must be met: the conflict takes place between multiple nations across the globe, battles are fought in many different locations, and the war must be fought against great powers with significantly advanced technology.

Sooo.... that said and knowing what's going on, how close are we? Multiple nations... check. (although it's not the same conflict so probably not.) Different locations... check. Advanced technology... does Russia qualify for that? But it says at least ONE must be met. :unsure: Maybe my waking-up question of "what if we're already in it?" wasn't so goofy after all?
 
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