Jayland Walker Killed by at Least 60 Bullets Fired By Police

fuzzybuddy said:
I don't know if it's cultural thing or what-but black guys run from the cops. Whites seem to surrender???? I've seen way too many reality cop shows to know a black guy will try to run from the cops, and make a mad dash to his 'hood', because he knows the area and thinks he can hide from the cops. Of course, the cops are hell bent in not letting the black guy escape. It's almost a video game.
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Another reality that we would prefer not to discuss is that where the offender is known, approximately 50% of annual homicides in the US are committed by Black offenders, while Blacks comprise just 13% - 14% of the population. Some of those deaths are police officers, but where is all the hand wringing when a White police officer is killed?
 

No doubt that folks have been killed by police who shouldn't have been killed, there is also no doubt that there are people who want to kill police officers -

Intentional killings of police officers spiked by an alarming 59% in 2021 compared to the previous year, according to newly released FBI data.

There were 73 law enforcement officers feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2021, according to preliminary year-end data from the FBI.

Just a guess that more officers have been unjustly killed by civilians than civilians unjustly killed by police.

It is not surprising that people under stress may act based on their preconceived perceptions.
 
Ruthanne said:
I don't know. I didn't see all of the videos. They did not show it all on tv. That will probably be determined later.
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A full report later is what I originally hoped for. The little bits of info filtering out make it reasonable to voice an opinion. For me I can't understand to logic of shooting at Walker as described. The claim he shot at police has yet to be verified. Details like was the gun fired recently, was the clip full or was ammo missing? Was there any gun powder residue on him or the window sill of the car? How did the police hear shot or shots being fired over the wail of sirens? Really difficult for me to grasp is the quantity of times he was shot & the amount of bullets found in his body.

All that for evading police at a traffic stop. 8 officers fearing for their lives while shooting at his back just way more than I can grasp.
 

It’s a horrible incident, but in fairness to the officers involved, I’m not sure how they would decide who should shoot at s suspect and who should standby.

I would like to know more about the alleged gunshot during the chase, why Mr. Walker felt the need to wear a ski mask, etc…

IMO it’s a tragic incident that could have been prevented if Mr. Walker had complied with the initial traffic stop.

I don’t have any animosity towards the officers involved if they were following their training, but that training may need to be reviewed and improved.

I hope a full report is made available so we can have a better understanding of exactly what happened.
 
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SeniorBen said:
There are a LOT of bad cops out there. While most are good, honorable, and decent people — probably fairly large majority — there are a LOT of bad ones who seem to be trigger happy, and until that stops, the entire force looks bad. Even if it's only 10% that are bad, that's still a lot.
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So do you think your 10% estimates of bad and/or trigger-happy people applies across the entire population, or just the police department. Obviously if 10% of the police are bad/trigger-happy they should either be in jail, or at least fired from the force.

Unless the police department purposely hires bad ones, your estimate should apply to the general population as well. Do you think 10% of the overall population are bad/criminal/trigger-happy and should also be dealt with in some fashion?

For purposes of discussion, there are over 324,882 police officers currently employed in the United States. 1,136 people were killed by police in 2021, officers were charged with a crime in only 12 of these cases. One percent of all killings by police.

346 police officers were shot in the line of duty in 2021 — 63 of whom were killed
 
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rgp said:
Well ...... that's your opinion . Every news cast I have heard on the incident says he shot at them from the car ..... and a gun and an extra clip were found in the car .

While i respect your opinion , I completely disagree.

From CNN , through Google .....


"A chase ensued and police said shots were fired at officers from the vehicle during the pursuit.
After chasing the vehicle "for several minutes," the department said the person slowed down and fled from the vehicle while it was still moving, leading officers on a "foot pursuit" which ended in a parking lot."
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I guess a lot of this rides on the definition of "unarmed." Yes, the police reported finding a gun in his car. But when he got out of the car and was just walking, was he armed? Owning a gun, or even having used it before getting out of the car, does not make a person armed. If he shot at police from the car, he of course should have been arrested. But why the necessity to kill him?

This sounds to me more like an excess of adrenaline on the part of the police, followed by a lame excuse. The job of the police is not to be executioners. Feels like George Floyd all over again.
 
HarryHawk said:
So do you think your 10% estimates of bad and/or trigger-happy people applies across the entire population, or just the police department. Obviously if 10% of the police are bad/trigger-happy they should either be in jail, or at least fired from the force.

Unless the police department purposely hires bad ones, your estimate should apply to the general population as well. Do you think 10% of the overall population are bad/criminal/trigger-happy and should also be dealt with in some fashion?

For purposes of discussion, there are over 324,882 police officers currently employed in the United States. 1,136 people were killed by police in 2021, officers were charged with a crime in only 12 of these cases. One percent of all killings by police.

346 police officers were shot in the line of duty in 2021 — 63 of whom were killed
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There are far more dangerous occupations than being a police officer, and they all pay a lot less. Police officer isn't even in the top twenty.
 
I'm still in favor of an investigation to present facts but meanwhile. Thought about this today.

Wearing a ski mask, I think I read that he was acting strange since the woman he was going to marry died. Gun wedding ring on front seat of his car. 2nd. night evading the police. Some of the indicators in this list.

Inducing Officers to Shoot," compiled by Dr. Vivian B. Lord and published by Looseleaf
Law Publications. Through his research and personal experience, Dr. Perrou has identified
15 indicators that can help you recognize when you may be facing an SbC situation.
The 15 indicators are:
• The subject is barricaded and refuses to negotiate.
• The subject has just killed someone, particularly a close relative, his mother, wife or
child.
• The subject says that he has a life-threatening illness.
• The subject's demands of police do not include negotiations for escape or freedom.
• The subject has undergone one or more traumatic life changes
( death of a loved one, divorce, financial devastation, etc.)
• Before the encounter, the subject has given away all of his money or possessions.
• The subject has a record of assaults.
• Subject says he will only surrender to the person in charge.
• Subject indicates that he has thought about planning his death.
• Has expressed an interest in wanting to die in a "macho" way.
• Has expressed interest in "going out in a big way."
• Subject expresses feelings of hopelessness or helplessness.
• The subject dictates his will to negotiators.
• The subject demands to be killed.
• The subject sets a deadline to be killed.
If you find that several of these indicators are present, you may be dealing with a subject
who wants to be killed and someone who may be willing to take any steps to reach that
goal including, of course, firing on you. In situations like this, tactical vigilance is critical.
Your recognition of the fact that a subject is interested only in having you shoot him
should NOT cause you to hesitate to do so if at any point you feel your life is threatened.
Remember, this subject wants to die and he may stop at nothing to reach his goal,
including taking you or a fellow officer with him.
In "Suicide by Cop: Inducing Officers to Shoot,"

https://mpitraining.com/wp-content/...tent/external_files/Calibre-Press-Article.pdf

It's not me trying to excuse the quantity of bullets he was shot with. Just a thought about why he might have did what he did.
 
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Sunny said:
I guess a lot of this rides on the definition of "unarmed." Yes, the police reported finding a gun in his car. But when he got out of the car and was just walking, was he armed? Owning a gun, or even having used it before getting out of the car, does not make a person armed. If he shot at police from the car, he of course should have been arrested. But why the necessity to kill him?

This sounds to me more like an excess of adrenaline on the part of the police, followed by a lame excuse. The job of the police is not to be executioners. Feels like George Floyd all over again.
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If he was shooting at them from the car, then jumped out running, .... it would be very reasonable to assume he still had a weapon at that time .{I would} as such they persued him with that thought in mind.

Again ..... My main argument/debate in all these situations is simply ...... why do people defend the criminal ? and disparage the police ? the ones on our side ? Makes no sense to me.
 
rgp said:
If he was shooting at them from the car, then jumped out running, .... it would be very reasonable to assume he still had a weapon at that time .{I would} as such they persued him with that thought in mind.

Again ..... My main argument/debate in all these situations is simply ...... why do people defend the criminal ? and disparage the police ? the ones on our side ? Makes no sense to me.
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People only disparage the police when their actions are as bad or worse than criminals.
 
Knight said:
I'm still in favor of an investigation to present facts but meanwhile. Thought about this today.

Wearing a ski mask, I think I read that he was acting strange since the woman he was going to marry died. Gun wedding ring on front seat of his car. 2nd. night evading the police. Some of the indicators in this list.

Inducing Officers to Shoot," compiled by Dr. Vivian B. Lord and published by Looseleaf
Law Publications. Through his research and personal experience, Dr. Perrou has identified
15 indicators that can help you recognize when you may be facing an SbC situation.
The 15 indicators are:
• The subject is barricaded and refuses to negotiate.
• The subject has just killed someone, particularly a close relative, his mother, wife or
child.
• The subject says that he has a life-threatening illness.
• The subject's demands of police do not include negotiations for escape or freedom.
• The subject has undergone one or more traumatic life changes
( death of a loved one, divorce, financial devastation, etc.)
• Before the encounter, the subject has given away all of his money or possessions.
• The subject has a record of assaults.
• Subject says he will only surrender to the person in charge.
• Subject indicates that he has thought about planning his death.
• Has expressed an interest in wanting to die in a "macho" way.
• Has expressed interest in "going out in a big way."
• Subject expresses feelings of hopelessness or helplessness.
• The subject dictates his will to negotiators.
• The subject demands to be killed.
• The subject sets a deadline to be killed.
If you find that several of these indicators are present, you may be dealing with a subject
who wants to be killed and someone who may be willing to take any steps to reach that
goal including, of course, firing on you. In situations like this, tactical vigilance is critical.
Your recognition of the fact that a subject is interested only in having you shoot him
should NOT cause you to hesitate to do so if at any point you feel your life is threatened.
Remember, this subject wants to die and he may stop at nothing to reach his goal,
including taking you or a fellow officer with him.
In "Suicide by Cop: Inducing Officers to Shoot,"

https://mpitraining.com/wp-content/...tent/external_files/Calibre-Press-Article.pdf

It's not me trying to excuse the quantity of bullets he was shot with. Just a thought about why he might have did what he did.
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I have thought about that also. It's just so sad, what happened and for whatever reason. I'm waiting to see what the investigation brings.
 
rgp said:
How in the world can they [the police] be doing worse than the criminals ? When they are trying to apprehend the criminals . The ones that have only crime on their mind. Only think about ways to prey on us ?
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That sounds like a lot of corporations in their quest to wring every last dollar out of the American public. The difference is, they have the power to influence legislators and often write legislation passed by federal and state congresses that makes their predatory and unethical behavior perfectly legal, to which they're defended by the uninformed and misinformed with the mantra: well, corporations are just taking advantage of the laws as they're written.

While corporations don't go around stabbing or shooting people, they're far more dangerous. They sometimes kill people by producing dangerous products or by contaminating the environment with hazardous materials and toxins.

But of course, corporations are the "job creators" whereas poor people who commit crimes are not.
 
Here's another example of out of control or just plain incompetent cops. An armed man in a downtown Denver crowd last night allegedly posed a "significant threat." So what do the cops do? They open fire on the man, striking five innocent bystanders in the process. The armed man never fired a shot.
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/

Unreal. Good thing the cops arrived to protect... ummm... they must have been protecting someone.
 
Ruthanne said:
It is a lot of bullets.. I explained according to my local news and what they explained. Very sad case.
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Latest I heard it is now 46 bullets. But as I & others have said which one of them killed him ? So 46 - 60 does it matter ? IMO the reapeated fire from the police was very likely adrenaline.
 
Knight said:
I'm still in favor of an investigation to present facts but meanwhile. Thought about this today.

Wearing a ski mask, I think I read that he was acting strange since the woman he was going to marry died. Gun wedding ring on front seat of his car. 2nd. night evading the police. Some of the indicators in this list.

Inducing Officers to Shoot," compiled by Dr. Vivian B. Lord and published by Looseleaf
Law Publications. Through his research and personal experience, Dr. Perrou has identified
15 indicators that can help you recognize when you may be facing an SbC situation.
The 15 indicators are:
• The subject is barricaded and refuses to negotiate.
• The subject has just killed someone, particularly a close relative, his mother, wife or
child.
• The subject says that he has a life-threatening illness.
• The subject's demands of police do not include negotiations for escape or freedom.
• The subject has undergone one or more traumatic life changes
( death of a loved one, divorce, financial devastation, etc.)
• Before the encounter, the subject has given away all of his money or possessions.
• The subject has a record of assaults.
• Subject says he will only surrender to the person in charge.
• Subject indicates that he has thought about planning his death.
• Has expressed an interest in wanting to die in a "macho" way.
• Has expressed interest in "going out in a big way."
• Subject expresses feelings of hopelessness or helplessness.
• The subject dictates his will to negotiators.
• The subject demands to be killed.
• The subject sets a deadline to be killed.
If you find that several of these indicators are present, you may be dealing with a subject
who wants to be killed and someone who may be willing to take any steps to reach that
goal including, of course, firing on you. In situations like this, tactical vigilance is critical.
Your recognition of the fact that a subject is interested only in having you shoot him
should NOT cause you to hesitate to do so if at any point you feel your life is threatened.
Remember, this subject wants to die and he may stop at nothing to reach his goal,
including taking you or a fellow officer with him.
In "Suicide by Cop: Inducing Officers to Shoot,"

https://mpitraining.com/wp-content/...tent/external_files/Calibre-Press-Article.pdf

It's not me trying to excuse the quantity of bullets he was shot with. Just a thought about why he might have did what he did.
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You might be right. It does sound like suicide by cop.
 
Ruthanne said:
News article: Jayland Walker Story

Jayland Walker was gunnned down by 8 police officers and at least 60 to 90 bullets were fired They said he fired a shot out of his car before fleeing his car running while police pursued him. He was initially stopped for a traffic incident.

The family wants answers. Akron, Ohio is under curfew after a night of unlawfulness. There has been an outpouring of support for the family and the police are being condemned for what they did.

This reminds me of another story of a black couple in Cleveland who were shot at over 137 times. That story follows below.

Story:
News Story From Cleveland


This just seems like overkill for one thing and then why do they have to kill people anyway when they disobey the law? I'm sure other things could have been done besides this.
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He shoots at the cops when he is pulled over, then he shoots at the cops while driving and the when the car does come to a stop and the cops don't know he is unarmed, he runs. Then they open fire on him and kill him. 3 times he could have stopped and lived. 3 times he decided not to. but you see it as over kill. Humm, if they would have let him go and he killed others, would you be okay with that. Just why was he wearing a mask? No, if your pulled over, put your hands on the wheel, wait in the car and do what is instructed. At worse you end up at the police station. Oh if you placed in the police car....stay there!
 
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It is too bad that the individual was killed. This individual was involved in two high speed chases on two successive days. What would have been even sadder if he had killed some totally innocent people as he was being chased on either one of those days -

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/n...ing-high-speed-chase-grieves-demands-answers/

BREAKING: Family members have identified the young girl killed during a Brooklyn Center police chase as Blessings McLurain-Gray. Police were chasing murder suspect Hakeem Muhammad when he slammed into a car McLaurin gray was in with her family. She was six years old.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
This is what I posted in the thread about the Highland Park shooter.
And I must point out that yet again...another White boy gets arrested and will live to stand trial. But a young, unarmed Black man who was running away from cops after a car chase was shot by 8 officers, at least 60 times! Had he killed anyone? NO! Had he shot anyone? NO! Makes me sick!! 🤬

I have a Black son, 4 Black grandsons and several more step-sons and step-grandsons (well one of those looks White). This is something that hurts me, angers me, concerns me and yes, frightens me! It could happen to my "babies"....none of whom are criminals, because it's all too common in this country. I know it won't bring Jayland back and nothing takes the place of your child but I hope the family sues the bazoobas out of the city and wins the case.
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Let me get this straight, he shoots at cops and misses. So you think the cops should not shoot to kill a man that they didn't know if he was armed that's running away. Sounds like this guy wanted to be shot by a cop after all he tried it twice. Race has nothing to do with it. He could have just exited the car and put his hands on the hood and it would have ended. Now I guess the 8 cops should have stood there and worked out who was going to shoot so that not so many bullets would be used. Rule number one, don't shoot at cops! Stop making it a race thing when it's his actions that got him shot.
 
Creek Pirate said:
He shoots at the cops when he is pulled over, then he shoots at the cops while driving and the when the car does come to a stop and the cops don't know he is unarmed, he runs. Then they open fire on him and kill him. 3 times he could have stopped and lived. 3 times he decided not to. but you see it as over kill. Humm, if they would have let him go and he killed others, would you be okay with that. Just why was he wearing a mask? No, if your pulled over, put your hands on the wheel, wait in the car and do what is instructed. At worse you end up at the police station. Oh if you placed in the police car....stay there!
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Exactly ! But so many fail to see this ??
 
Creek Pirate said:
Let me get this straight, he shoots at cops and misses. So you think the cops should not shoot to kill a man that they didn't know if he was armed that's running away. Sounds like this guy wanted to be shot by a cop after all he tried it twice. Race has nothing to do with it. He could have just exited the car and put his hands on the hood and it would have ended. Now I guess the 8 cops should have stood there and worked out who was going to shoot so that not so many bullets would be used. Rule number one, don't shoot at cops! Stop making it a race thing when it's his actions that got him shot.
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Of corse i agree here as well.
 

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