Las Vegas votes to make it a crime to sleep on city sidewalks

Talked to a friend just the other day about his son, my godson. He did the drug thing for a few years, actually tells his dad that Scientology ! got him off those. Now he is involved with the Hare-Krishna , and trying to make his name known, find success, writing music in Nashville . What makes a kid/now a man [41] do that?

My point is, what makes anyone do what they do? Drugs, alcohol, cults , religion,....virtually anything just outside the norm.......or way outside the norm ? Sad to say I doubt we will ever know, and perhaps sadder yet, we will likely never be able to correct.

Only they know, and only they can turn themselves around.
Hey----Give this man a chance. If he is off drugs, that's a good start. That Hare Krishna stuff is usually a fad for most people, unless he has already shaved his head and bought a sari and a tambourine, then maybe not. Hare Krishna is a by-product of the Hinduism religion, so how many of them are around? Probably more than I think.

This reminds me of the time when I first stepped off of a train in New York City and my wife and I were walking up the platform to the stairway when we were approached by 2 Krishna's (they were actually 2 young boys) asking for what else, but money. I had to ask the youngest one how old he was. He told me 14 or 15, I forget. I asked him if the other dude was his brother. He said he was. I asked him how old he was and he told me, I believe 17. I then asked if they lived in the City. One said no and the other shook his head, No. I asked them where they were from and the oldest said they were from Connecticut. I asked them why don't they go home and go to the movies or something else that kids their age do and enjoy life. The oldest tells me, "Oh, we're not Hare Krishna's, we are filling in for our sister who was supposed to be doing this, but had to be in a wedding." I said to him, "Wait a minute. You're taking your sister's place begging." He said, "Yeah, if she doesn't do it, she has to get someone else to fill in for her or else she could get kicked out or something bad like that." By now, I had a smile on my face. I asked him how old was his sister. He said 22. Next, I asked him, "Why didn't you shave your head." The oldest boy says, "Hey, I'm just trying to collect some money for these guys and I'm not into this stuff myself." I said, "I'll tell you what. I'll give you a $50.00 bill, but only if you stop this foolishness and go home." He said, "Mister, you got a deal." I asked him how he got there. He said by train. I said, "OK, you go get your ticket for the next train home and come back here within 10 minutes, show me the ticket and I'll give you the $50.00 bill. He did just that. I really liked this kid, actually I liked both boys. They were good kids that were trying to help out there sister. I love family loyalty. They actually reminded me of Wally and Beaver, only they were older.
After we walked away, my wife, who was smiling all the time, told me that she knew that I was going to get them to leave. I told her, "Well, I wasn't sure that they would, but I thought that the $50.00 would kind of nudge them into making the right choice." This probably happened back in the late 80's, I guess.
 

So then, answering the original post/title,
people who are homeless would be supposed to find more hidden, even more dangerous, places to sleep?

And they couldn't report if they are assaulted, or get medical help for it, or they'd be arrested?
And this would be so that the wealthy tourists would not "see" them?

:oops::cry:
I guess the fact that the homeless have a variety of issues that Las Vegas is trying to address and the need for the income from tourism should be tossed. Think of it this way. What would your solution be if several homeless set up a camp in your yard or on the sidewalk in front of your apartment if either of those were your home. They couldn't access your bathroom so they defecated & urinated on your lawn or the sidewalk . Your income was impacted because you had to pay to get the unsanitary conditions cleaned up.

An attempt to address the situation by taking positive steps albeit legal consequences that seems harsh & unrealistic that more than likely will be modified as time passes. Will there be homeless that take advantage of the assistance being offered I'm guessing there will be some. Just like I'm guessing there will be those that refuse help.

After the fact isn't something that has been ignored. Finding a solution has been the main problem since homelessness began many years ago all over America.
 
The local news interviewed a homeless man here. He bragged about how everyone in
Austin was so nice -- "they give us food, they give us money, we can party all day. It's great, man!" Yes he actually said that. While a lot of the homeless are mentally ill, a lot of them are just bums who don't want to work. And what do you do with the mentally ill? You can't keep them in an asylum unless they sign themselves in, or they are a danger to themselves or others. So they live on the streets and self-medicate. Should we provide free housing? My experience tells me if you subsidize something, you get more of it. I have no answer, but letting people live, and pee, and poop, and do drugs on the street isn't working.
 

There are about 3.5 million homeless folks in the US. We can solve this without any new government spending at any level. Just pass ordinances that every senior citizen with a spare bedroom take into their own home 1 homeless person per unused bedroom.

You and Don Quixote have something in common. 😁 Not a criticism, just an observation.
 
The local news interviewed a homeless man here. He bragged about how everyone in
Austin was so nice -- "they give us food, they give us money, we can party all day. It's great, man!" Yes he actually said that. While a lot of the homeless are mentally ill, a lot of them are just bums who don't want to work. And what do you do with the mentally ill? You can't keep them in an asylum unless they sign themselves in, or they are a danger to themselves or others. So they live on the streets and self-medicate. Should we provide free housing? My experience tells me if you subsidize something, you get more of it. I have no answer, but letting people live, and pee, and poop, and do drugs on the street isn't working.

Here in Hawaii it's illegal to feed the homeless (as a group, not meant as individually) because they want it done by authorized people who actually will talk to those on the streets and try to convince to accept help.. Much of those are social workers. And many of those, yes, don't want to get help where they will have to follow rules. Unfortunate, but true.
 
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You and Don Quixote have something in common. 😁 Not a criticism, just an observation.
I don’t think asylums exist anymore, but I remember not too long ago hearing that some states were considering bringing them back again to help solve some of their community’s mental healthcare issues. IMO, I would be totally against it if they included performing lobotomy’s, shock treatments and other cruel treatment of patients. There has to be a more humane method to help people
 
We called the placing of mental patients in institutions 'warehousing.' I just realized this fact: warehousing of patients ended, through lawsuits, at the same time that rents began to dramatically rise and that year was 1979/80. There was no correlation between those events, but it did begin the humongous homeless problems we are suffering from.
 
Hey----Give this man a chance. If he is off drugs, that's a good start. That Hare Krishna stuff is usually a fad for most people, unless he has already shaved his head and bought a sari and a tambourine, then maybe not. Hare Krishna is a by-product of the Hinduism religion, so how many of them are around? Probably more than I think.

This reminds me of the time when I first stepped off of a train in New York City and my wife and I were walking up the platform to the stairway when we were approached by 2 Krishna's (they were actually 2 young boys) asking for what else, but money. I had to ask the youngest one how old he was. He told me 14 or 15, I forget. I asked him if the other dude was his brother. He said he was. I asked him how old he was and he told me, I believe 17. I then asked if they lived in the City. One said no and the other shook his head, No. I asked them where they were from and the oldest said they were from Connecticut. I asked them why don't they go home and go to the movies or something else that kids their age do and enjoy life. The oldest tells me, "Oh, we're not Hare Krishna's, we are filling in for our sister who was supposed to be doing this, but had to be in a wedding." I said to him, "Wait a minute. You're taking your sister's place begging." He said, "Yeah, if she doesn't do it, she has to get someone else to fill in for her or else she could get kicked out or something bad like that." By now, I had a smile on my face. I asked him how old was his sister. He said 22. Next, I asked him, "Why didn't you shave your head." The oldest boy says, "Hey, I'm just trying to collect some money for these guys and I'm not into this stuff myself." I said, "I'll tell you what. I'll give you a $50.00 bill, but only if you stop this foolishness and go home." He said, "Mister, you got a deal." I asked him how he got there. He said by train. I said, "OK, you go get your ticket for the next train home and come back here within 10 minutes, show me the ticket and I'll give you the $50.00 bill. He did just that. I really liked this kid, actually I liked both boys. They were good kids that were trying to help out there sister. I love family loyalty. They actually reminded me of Wally and Beaver, only they were older.
After we walked away, my wife, who was smiling all the time, told me that she knew that I was going to get them to leave. I told her, "Well, I wasn't sure that they would, but I thought that the $50.00 would kind of nudge them into making the right choice." This probably happened back in the late 80's, I guess.


Never said I wasn't giving him a chance....just relating a true story
 
I was thinking the same thing, we never saw homeless people in the 50’s or 60’s who are they, where are they coming from? I know some of them are Veterans n that is our biggest shame of all!🙁
"We" didn't see them. That doesn't mean they weren't there. They were called hoboes or bums or any number of other names.
 
"We" didn't see them. That doesn't mean they weren't there. They were called hoboes or bums or any number of other names.


Back in the day as they say........they [Bums] weren't proud of being bums/hobos. They were [for the most part] just lazy, and wanted their 'freedom'. They didn't 'expect' freebies from society, they 'bummed' what they could, but expected to be turned down. They knew society found them disgusting , and expected nothing more. They stayed/lived in hobo camps, usually near the rail line.

Today, so many of them just think they should be supported by us, housed by us , taken care of in every fashion............jmo.
 
Back in the day as they say........they [Bums] weren't proud of being bums/hobos. They were [for the most part] just lazy, and wanted their 'freedom'. They didn't 'expect' freebies from society, they 'bummed' what they could, but expected to be turned down. They knew society found them disgusting , and expected nothing more. They stayed/lived in hobo camps, usually near the rail line.

Today, so many of them just think they should be supported by us, housed by us , taken care of in every fashion............jmo.
Those bums weren't just lazy; many of them were products of the depression, lost their jobs when young, or were too young to ever have one, and never recovered.

Also, in 1950 the population was about 152 million. In 2019 it's just under 330 million. The "official" count of homeless Americans is just over a half million. Way off base! First and foremost, is the lack of affordable housing. Cite me one, just ONE, case of a homeless family that likes being homeless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States
 
Those bums weren't just lazy; many of them were products of the depression, lost their jobs when young, or were too young to ever have one, and never recovered.

Also, in 1950 the population was about 152 million. In 2019 it's just under 330 million. The "official" count of homeless Americans is just over a half million. Way off base! First and foremost, is the lack of affordable housing. Cite me one, just ONE, case of a homeless family that likes being homeless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States


Exactly how does one recover ? Get another job...might not be the job one wants, but a job & a safe place to sleep at night beat the hell out of sleeping on the ground, in the cold, near a rail line. If one was employable @ one time? they are again when the economy recovers.

"Cite me one, just ONE, case of a homeless family that likes being homeless."

Since I do not know any, can't say. But I will say....ol mom & pop are strung out on drugs, she might even be hookin' for some drug money, they bang out a couple of kids, that cling to them because they have no way to support themselves......There's your family, and yes they 'likely' , like things the way they are....the kids know no difference .
 
Yup. More sweeping generalizations. More tarring 'em all with the same brush. If it's true for one, it's true for all. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I'm done.
 
The term "Skid Row" originated in Seattle, but was used in other locations also, such as Los Angeles. It originally meant an area where logs were "skidded" (transported) to a landing site, often on the waterfront. The neighborhoods around these areas became known as places where "bums," homeless people, alcoholics, etc. often hung out. This started in the 19th century and became very prevalent in the 1930's. (No big surprise there).

I don't know why the skid row neighborhoods became popular with the homeless; maybe the police just didn't bother them in those locations. But homelessness has been with us for centuries. It is certainly not a new phenomenon.
 
This reminds me of how Idi Amin delt with unemployment in Uganda back in the 70's.

He made it illegal to be unemployed. Problem solved. :)
 
Yup. More sweeping generalizations. More tarring 'em all with the same brush. If it's true for one, it's true for all. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I'm done.


If you choose to call it "generalizations" ? Fine.....but I refuse to not see, what is the obvious . Are there special circumstances/situations for some ? Of course , but in general the obvious is true for the lot.

As for.....


"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Back atcha.
 
If you choose to call it "generalizations" ? Fine.....but I refuse to not see, what is the obvious . Are there special circumstances/situations for some ? Of course , but in general the obvious is true for the lot.

As for.....


"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Back atcha.

Ain't it great to have people that you can kick when they're down?

Makes ya feel like a BIG MAN doesn't it rpg?:)
 
Ain't it great to have people that you can kick when they're down?

Makes ya feel like a BIG MAN doesn't it rpg?:)


Well, since you seem to be fine with name calling.....go look in the mirror asshole....

I see reality, I have no idea what you see.
 
Until the government decided they could address all social issues (this is back in the 1930-40's), there are many charities both religious and secular based that took are of homeless. But many organizations including fraternal societies went away or reduced their "footprint."

I don't want this to become too political, but much of the blame does rest with our elected servants (they are not leaders).

Rick
 
Good point, GreenSky, and I don't think every discussion of how we are being let down by our government institutions (national and local) could really be considered "political."

Rgp, nice. Really nice. With every post, you reveal more and more of who you are. :confused:
 
If you choose to call it "generalizations" ? Fine.....but I refuse to not see, what is the obvious . Are there special circumstances/situations for some ? Of course , but in general the obvious is true for the lot.

As for.....


"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Back atcha.
This 8 minute video might re-enforce what many refuse to think about when it comes to homeless people.

U.S.
California woman recounts horrific story of homeless man pouring hot feces on her head
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Heidi Van Tassell speaks with Fox News about the horrific assault on her by a homeless man who dumped a canister of hot feces on her head while she was leaving a Los Angeles restaurant. She recounts the assault, the immediate aftermath, and why she thinks the homeless crisis is only getting worse.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-woman-recounts-horrific-story-234349499.html
At least Las Vegas is trying to do something.
 
Good point, GreenSky, and I don't think every discussion of how we are being let down by our government institutions (national and local) could really be considered "political."

Rgp, nice. Really nice. With every post, you reveal more and more of who you are. :confused:


And that would be ?
 


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