Life after death.... myth or fact

Keesha said:
Who’s this WE you speak of. Please don’t speak for me. I am NOT afraid of death whatsoever . Death is actually pretty incredibly amazing but I’m not about to try and convince anyone of such a thing. We all find out eventually.
What’s pathetic are people who aggressively put down other people’s beliefs. What others believe is non of our business; as long as they aren’t hurting others. Most humans need to have something to believe in that’s bigger than themselves
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Never heard of agnostics banging on doors encouraging people to believe as they do. Count the number of pro-religion programs on any Sunday vs. agnostic shows. How much money goes to religion vs, agnostic organizations annually? YOU wrote "
Most humans need to have something to believe in that’s bigger than themselves"[/QUOTE] I rest my case. How many religious factions are there in the world? Why so many? Because no one can decide on what God is. Sad.​
 

Lord Elpus said:
Thing is,Grampa D; it matters not whether I believe in God-but whether he believes in me.

I think maybe his conviction I exist isn't 100%,but he prefers to err on the side of caution,'just in case'.
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Sure God is a he not a she and why does mankind identify God that way? Maybe God is a gas or a light.
 
If there is life after death then there is no death rather, just a transformation like from childhood to adulthood.
 

Grampa Don said:
Ah, but it does matter a lot to believers. How many people have died for their religion? How many still do? Look at the young fellow who was recently killed trying to convert a tribe in the south pacific.

What you do doesn't matter, but what you say does if they feel it is an attack.

Maybe I should clarify. I'm not a believer, but I'm not an atheist either. I just don't worry about it.

Don
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On your fist sentence, perhaps you're right....??

On your last sentence , we agree completely .

As for the young guy in the Pacific ?....As I understand it, that island, those folks have had a "NO ONE WELCOME" reputation for years. He had to know..shame on him.
 
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"I think the apostle Paul said it well in Corinthians “and if the Messiah has not been raised, your faith is worthless and you are still imprisoned by your sins. But at this moment the Messiah stands risen from the dead, the first one offered in the harvest of those who have died.”

From that I guess prehistoric mankind is out of luck. Curious about all the animals. Do those have an after life or by the luck of the draw they are excluded? Seems to me if believing a creator created those and they carry, nurture and raise their offspring isn't that comparable to what humans do.

If animals are part of the afterlife do man-eaters continue with their earthly ways?

Surely those that are bible savvy have some reference they can point to regarding prehistoric mankind & animals.
 
I don't understand whereas the discussion of politics is not allowed here, but that nasty attacks against very personal beliefs are. I'm really astounded. Go, ahead, make fun of that, too. You know you want to.
 
Of course there is life after death. Look at your children, your grandchildren. You're still here in them as our great grandparents are in us. The genes and the DNA live on, one life remains within another.
 
Grampa Don said:
Based on fossil evidence, hominins apparently go back about 4 million years. Modern humans about 50 to 100 thousand. Who knows when religion began. Imagine yourself in this situation. You're smart, and you see all these unexplainable things around you; animals, plants, the seasons, the sun, moon, and planets. You see people die mysteriously and natural disasters, and you wonder why. It's natural to think that something or someone is in control, and you try to figure out how to get on their good side. So, maybe you sacrifice an animal and things get better, and you say AHA that works. Eventually you have people who specialize in this sort of activity. It's happened in every culture.

Lower animals aren't smart enough to think or worry about their own deaths. That's their gift.

Don
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I've read a little on the subject of human evolution, and if I remember correctly well over half the time any early humans existed they were unable to conceptualise the world in the way apparent since then. The appearance of cave paintings is one way mankind showed an ability to think about concepts never previously possible to the even earlier hominids. It took such a vast amount of time for this change to occur it is thought to have been a sea change I believe, "being able to think differently" than previous generations were able to do, or any other animals, or mammals on earth.
 
Lara said:
Not myth. Not fact. "It's Faith".
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I've had a very close friend for over thirty years that has a college degree in Theological Studies, at one time had his own church for several years, is still a church Deacon and is now also in law enforcement.

Needless to say we've had many discussions about religion through the years about some of the things in the bible that are hard for me to believe and scientifically impossible.....the parting of the Red Sea, life after death, being turned into a pillar of salt, turning water into wine etc. etc quickly come to mind.

He said the same thing to me that Lara did above......it's all about having faith, even though you know in your mind it's impossible you go with what you feel in your heart.

I won't go into my religious beliefs or my political and racial views because discussing them only leads to a debate and no matter how lengthy the discussion I very seriously doubt that anyone has ever changed their views on a subject such as religion simply because of reading conflicting views on a forum.

No matter what the subject or how lengthy the debate.....the end result is that every person feels and believes what they feel and believe.
 
Lara said:
Not myth. Not fact. It's Faith.
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I just wanna contend a bit

For me, faith is not blind

My faith is not based on believing the unbelievable

There is too much proof for that

It’s more in what Martin Luther discovered (after several sessions of self-flagellation)
Faith that God covers my shortcomings (my paraphrase)

Our righteousness is like 'filthy rags', no matter how we try

God’s sacrifice, I lay my faith in that

Faith…heh….I’m freaking counting on it


His death, sometimes depicted as a war hero’s death, is so much more

He died the death, mine, the eternal one
First time separated from His Father
That was His agony…feeling His Father’s withdrawal
Not knowing

His death, gives me a shot at the new earth

I can’t imagine how that’ll be

But I try, with what I see in the here and now

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Grampa Don said:
So, people who aren't Christians are swine. That kind of says something, doesn't it. No hate there.

Don
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Actually no. That isn't it at all. The saying means to share something with someone who won't understand. My apologies, I thought at our age, everyone would know the meaning and not twist it into some offense like the current generation tends to do.
 
Gary O' said:
I get it

And I applaud the open honesty

I was wunna those
…and I was quite good at it

Shut down many a Christian in their tracks, with their own arguments

Called myself agnostic (loopholes what they are)

Happened onto a scholar

He showed…’xcuse me, proved to me, thru biblical prophecies, how that book is THEE book

Daniel and The Revelation, tied to the other 64 books
It’s an involved study, months, years
But so worth it

It became fascinating, even while studying with a critical mind

Turned me around

Didn’t make me a saint

But, hey, The Man has this

And it breaks this stubbornly incorrigible soul
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Lovely post, Gary.
 
Gary O' said:
I just wanna contend a bit

For me, faith is not blind

My faith is not based on believing the unbelievable

There is too much proof for that

It’s more in what Martin Luther discovered (after several sessions of self-flagellation)
Faith that God covers my shortcomings (my paraphrase)

Our righteousness is like 'filthy rags', no matter how we try

God’s sacrifice, I lay my faith in that

Faith…heh….I’m freaking counting on it


His death, sometimes depicted as a war hero’s death, is so much more

He died the death, mine, the eternal one
First time separated from His Father
That was His agony…feeling His Father’s withdrawal
Not knowing

His death, gives me a shot at the new earth

I can’t imagine how that’ll be

But I try, with what I see in the here and now

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Even lovelier post Gary.

I feel the same way.
 
BlueDragonfly said:
Actually no. That isn't it at all. The saying means to share something with someone who won't understand. My apologies, I thought at our age, everyone would know the meaning and not twist it into some offense like the current generation tends to do.
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I, for one, got it. It's a metaphorical statement about wasting your effort trying to convince people who don't want to be convinced.
 
Butterfly said:
I, for one, got it. It's a metaphorical statement about wasting your effort trying to convince people who don't want to be convinced.
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Yes, what it means is don't bug people who don't want to hear it.

If anyone really relishes this kind of argument, there are many skeptic boards that would love to have you.

Which is what I thought I was getting away from.
 
OK, I found this on the subject:

Before Jesus says, “Do not cast your pearls before swine,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred.” An analogy mentioning dogs is also used in Proverbs: “As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly” (Proverbs 26:11). A dual reference to swine and dogs is also found in 2 Peter 2:22, “Of [false teachers] the proverbs are true: ‘A dog returns to its vomit,’ and, ‘A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.’” In His sermon, Jesus uses dogs and pigs as representative of those who would ridicule, reject, and blaspheme the gospel once it is presented to them. We are not to expose the gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have no other purpose than to trample it and return to their own evil ways. Repeatedly sharing the gospel with someone who continually scoffs and ridicules Christ is like casting pearls before swine. We can identify such people through discernment, which is given in some measure to all Christians (1 Corinthians 2:15–16).

They really didn't like dogs much in those days, did they? I wonder how many people in the modern world would agree with that philosophy?

Well, leaving the dogs and pigs out of it, I do, pretty much, and I am a nonbeliever. I think it just makes sense to stop preaching whatever gospel you believe in, when you see it is not appreciated, and is not convincing people. Although using the "dogs and pigs" and "casting pearls" analogy is kind of snarky, it does make sense. If your biblical ideas (or any ideas, for that matter!) are being met with hostility and rejection, it makes sense to knock it off.
 
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