Many people are not exactly distraught over Queen Elizabeth’s death.

mrstime said:
I m sorry to see the Queen gone, because I can't stand ole Charlie since I once saw him admit that he was tired of waiting to be king. So seems to me he was wishing his mother dead!
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I don't have any particular feelings for him one way or the other, but I have often wondered if he would ever see the throne.
 

The royal family is governed by the "firm".

Its wicked to point out at this time, but there is a lot of revenue gained by publicizing royalty.

The royals are part of the charade and the brits will have it no other way.

This family just happened to be at the right place and time and have to live by it.
This is my understanding, i could be wrong.
 
Della said:
That Readers Digest story is just quoting the Andrew Morton book which was entirely Diana's words telling her side of the story. At the time that's all anyone heard because Charles was hardly in a position to go on TV like she did and have a tit for tat fight. The royals just don't air their dirty laundry in public.

Diana cheated on Charles first and he just turned to his long time best friend for comfort. Diana is the one who had endless affairs, some with married men, and was such a pain in the palace she fired over forty servants.
https://www.newsweek.com/princess-d...rry-mannakee-royal-protection-officer-1639903
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9703/05/britain.diana/
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I've always seen them as two selfish people who married for the wrong reasons.
 

I don't understand the reasoning/timing behind this thread. It seems like it could have waited a few weeks. It is a whole lot like people demonstrating within earshot of a memorial service for someone's beloved grandmother. It just seems disrespectful of the queen and all of the people who are mourning for her.
 
Bonnie said:
Heartwarming picture from last night ...whatever it means.

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I understand that William extended an olive branch to Harry and he graciously accepted it. He was absent from his Grandmother's death and was kind of left out of a lot of the commentary we have been hearing the past few days. From that, I take it that Harry is still kind of an outsider to many of those in the U.K. If you have ever listened to Harry on any of the U.S. talk shows, you can tell that he is not sincere or is very gracious for the life that he has lived. I think someday he will have a heavy price to pay for his indifference that he has portrayed to others.

Myself, I really don't like Harry or his wife. I think they have a lot of baggage to carry around. OTOH, I think William is a true Brit that stands by his family no matter what others say or write about them. As we would say here in America, William is a true Patriot to his country and family.

I never studied anything about the British monarchy or for that matter, even the present day. All that I studied was during the Churchill days during WWII. But, I really like William. He has proven himself time and time again. not only to be a true British patriot, but a real decent and sincere person. He's the type of man that I would enjoy spending an afternoon with picking his brain. I never realized how much I thought of this young man, but now I need to learn more.
 
Pecos said:
I don't understand the reasoning/timing behind this thread. It seems like it could have waited a few weeks. It is a whole lot like people demonstrating within earshot of a memorial service for someone's beloved grandmother. It just seems disrespectful of the queen and all of the people who are mourning for her.
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As a republican I admit feel pressured into supporting something they don’t believe in. It's to express an opinion without being branded disrespectful, so therefore I’ve been silent while the country grieves. As someone who believes the monarchy is an outdated concept that compromises our democratic right and signifies colonialism, I am suddenly being turned into the bad guy for deciding not to celebrate that aspect of the Queen’s life. People blur the line between her as a person, who did a lot of amazing things, and her as a Monarch.

Admiration for the Queen has largely repressed republicanism, with the issue likely to be imbued with renewed energy. The Queen was the monarchy for most people and has been all our lives. Charles will not inherit that level of deference and respect, and this really does change the whole dynamic.

Polls have consistently shown that the vast majority of Britons back the monarchy, republicans have long accepted they had no chance of changing the system while the Queen was alive. Charles though, is a very different kettle of fish.

What I do find distasteful is any sort of derogatory remarks, as my mother always said: "If you can't speak kindly of someone, then saying nothing can often speak volumes."
 
During a gathering with my children and their spouses last evening, this subject came up. One of my sons works in sports television so that's one of the prisms through which he sees the world.

He said the monarchy is basically a cross between being UK's team mascot and one of the lesser Kardashians.

Think about it. Like royalty, mascots have virtually no role with what's happening on the field of play, most people in the stands occasionally enjoy their antics but mostly tolerate them unless they get crazy obnoxious, little kids love them, they get trotted out for PR and social events, and when one moves on from the job a replacement is swiftly appointed and is expected to don the ridiculous costumes and behave very much the same way as his/her predecessor.

Like Kardashians, they receive a tremendous amount of money for reasons mostly unknown, are famous for being famous, are controversial, and the rest of the world is a little mystified by their popularity.

Edited to add: I'm not for or against the monarchy, nor do I hold strong feelings about the Queen. My heart goes out to those who mourn her passing - their loss is real.
 
StarSong said:
During a gathering with my children and their spouses last evening, this subject came up. One of my sons works in sports television so that's one of the prisms through which he sees the world.

He said the monarchy is basically a cross between being UK's team mascot and one of the lesser Kardashians.

Think about it. Like royalty, mascots have virtually no role with what's happening on the field of play, most people in the stands occasionally enjoy their antics but mostly tolerate them unless they get crazy obnoxious, little kids love them, they get trotted out for PR and social events, and when one moves on from the job a replacement is swiftly appointed and is expected to don the ridiculous costumes and behave very much the same way as his/her predecessor.

Like Kardashians, they receive a tremendous amount of money for reasons mostly unknown, are famous for being famous, are controversial, and the rest of the world is a little mystified by their popularity.

Edited to add: I'm not for or against the monarchy, nor do I hold strong feelings about the Queen. My heart goes out to those who mourn her passing - their loss is real.
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Well said. And you say awkward is your superpower??!
 
StarSong said:
During a gathering with my children and their spouses last evening, this subject came up. One of my sons works in sports television so that's one of the prisms through which he sees the world.

He said the monarchy is basically a cross between being UK's team mascot and one of the lesser Kardashians.

Think about it. Like royalty, mascots have virtually no role with what's happening on the field of play, most people in the stands occasionally enjoy their antics but mostly tolerate them unless they get crazy obnoxious, little kids love them, they get trotted out for PR and social events, and when one moves on from the job a replacement is swiftly appointed and is expected to don the ridiculous costumes and behave very much the same way as his/her predecessor.

Like Kardashians, they receive a tremendous amount of money for reasons mostly unknown, are famous for being famous, are controversial, and the rest of the world is a little mystified by their popularity.

Edited to add: I'm not for or against the monarchy, nor do I hold strong feelings about the Queen. My heart goes out to those who mourn her passing - their loss is real.
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Very insightful. In a humorous way, that about sums it all up!
 
Oh those Kardashians! ... they want to have a time capsule made of their importance to society and modern life ...lol
Lucky space aliens who find it! ....😀


The reality television series revolving around the Kardashian-Jenner family, Keeping Up With the Kardashians aired on E! for over two decades. With the show coming to an end, the KUWTK finale went on air on June 10, 2021, in which Khloe Kardashian was seen wanting to do a ‘time capsule’ for the members to look back at, years from now. Ever since the last episode of Keeping Up With the Kardashians final season aired, fans have been sharing their thoughts about Khloe’s time capsule idea and while some have been adoring the concept, a few others have found elements of humor in it already.
 
Bonnie said:
Oh those Kardashians! ... they want to have a time capsule made of their importance to society and modern life ...lol
Lucky space aliens who find it! ....😀


The reality television series revolving around the Kardashian-Jenner family, Keeping Up With the Kardashians aired on E! for over two decades. With the show coming to an end, the KUWTK finale went on air on June 10, 2021, in which Khloe Kardashian was seen wanting to do a ‘time capsule’ for the members to look back at, years from now. Ever since the last episode of Keeping Up With the Kardashians final season aired, fans have been sharing their thoughts about Khloe’s time capsule idea and while some have been adoring the concept, a few others have found elements of humor in it already.
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I've always thought the Kardashians were little more that a modern version of the Gabor sisters, Dahling.
 
Senenity said:
The royal family is governed by the "firm".

Its wicked to point out at this time, but there is a lot of revenue gained by publicizing royalty.

The royals are part of the charade and the brits will have it no other way.

This family just happened to be at the right place and time and have to live by it.
This is my understanding, i could be wrong.
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Exactly about image which is used to protect the institution. In the meantime while everyone is paying attention to the royals the actual UK government can do a lot stuff that doesn't get the scrutiny it deserves. The royals are best publicity agents money can buy.
 
When it comes down to how Americans view the royal family, probably a lot of our "knowledge" comes from the movies or series about them. What do we really know?

In the movie "The Queen," Elizabeth was portrayed as being rigid and pretty much uncaring about Diana's death, until she realized the grief and love for Diana from her subjects. She finally did her best to make amends. From what I have read about it, that story was probably basically true.
One news article called her reaction to Diana's death her biggest mistake.

As for King Charles, he is treated as a very unsympathetic character in the series "The Crown." When his beautiful, loving wife, brimming with youthful enthusiasm, performs a surprise (and very lovely) dance for Charles on his birthday, when they are attending a performance at a theatre, I think it was an opera, don't really remember, he sat there stiffly, looking horrified, and afterward they had a big fight about it He told her he had never been so humiliated. She was trying to please him, and demonstrate her love!

But... who knows how true that awful portrayal of Charles was? It was a movie, after all. It may have never happened. And yet, it did color my opinion of him. Makes me wonder how much we really do know about anything.
 
I'm on the fence about the queen and royal family. On one hand, they haven't fed my family or paid my bills, and frankly, they wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire. They have no say in the running of this country (they aren't allowed to intervene politically - Boris Johnson, the ex prime minister even lied to the queen and nothing was done) They would be the first to be protected if the shtf...not us, the people.

On the other hand I do see how they attract tourism, which is good I suppose. 🤷‍♀️ I don't hate them...they just don't feature in my life. But I wouldn't disrepect them if they walked into my house.
 
Senenity said:
The royal family is governed by the "firm".

Its wicked to point out at this time, but there is a lot of revenue gained by publicizing royalty.

The royals are part of the charade and the brits will have it no other way.

This family just happened to be at the right place and time and have to live by it.
This is my understanding, i could be wrong.
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I think they wish they could reduce us all to serfdom again and keep us forever silent. :unsure:
 
StarSong said:
During a gathering with my children and their spouses last evening, this subject came up. One of my sons works in sports television so that's one of the prisms through which he sees the world.

He said the monarchy is basically a cross between being UK's team mascot and one of the lesser Kardashians.

Think about it. Like royalty, mascots have virtually no role with what's happening on the field of play, most people in the stands occasionally enjoy their antics but mostly tolerate them unless they get crazy obnoxious, little kids love them, they get trotted out for PR and social events, and when one moves on from the job a replacement is swiftly appointed and is expected to don the ridiculous costumes and behave very much the same way as his/her predecessor.

Like Kardashians, they receive a tremendous amount of money for reasons mostly unknown, are famous for being famous, are controversial, and the rest of the world is a little mystified by their popularity.

Edited to add: I'm not for or against the monarchy, nor do I hold strong feelings about the Queen. My heart goes out to those who mourn her passing - their loss is real.
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Starsong, that is the best explanation of a constitutional monarchy.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Starsong, that is the best explanation of a constitutional monarchy.
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Thanks. When my son made that offhand remark about UK royalty being akin to a sports mascot I stashed it in my brain. Upon reading what was new in this thread today, I pondered it further and fleshed it out, then added the Kardashian bit. It's obviously a little simplistic but not too far from the truth, at least from where I sit.
 
Sunny said:
I think it was an opera, don't really remember, he sat there stiffly, looking horrified, and afterward they had a big fight about it He told her he had never been so humiliated. She was trying to please him, and demonstrate her love!
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It was a ballet. Diana had called the company and asked to dance a part in their production. The dance company could hardly refuse so they paired her with their best male dancer and gave her a simple dance to do. Even so she looked awkward and towered over her partner. Charles was embarrassed because royals do not "perform" amateur theatrics in public, ever, so I doubt if she really thought that would please him. To most people it was just Diana showing off again.
 
as a Brit,i gotta laugh at all this rubbish you have been fed,:LOL:,,,spanish,wasent it the french who helped you get independance,,,
thanks to those who mourn with us,,,,,
 
Packerjohn said:
It's laughable and rather silly that whenever someone dies, the stories come out how strange or evil those people were. I remember when country singer, Buck Owens died. Shortly after there were stories of how abusive Buck to his wife. Apparently, he tried to hit his wife with a golf club? Then when Liberace and Rock Hudson died we found out that both of them prefered "boys" to girls. What a "shocker" for fans of Rock Hudson, the handsome man from Hollywood and the heart trob of many a lady.

Stop blaming the poor Queenie as having ruled an "empire of evil." Remember, the Belgians, the Germans, the Italians and even Spain and Portugal had empires. If you care to study history, this period of time was called the "Age of Empires."

You can't change history but you certainly can learn from it.
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Some will learn from it, others use it as an excuse for even worse behavior in the present, and a reason to blame others for their own short comings.
 

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