Modern slavery

[senior chef]

Of course, you always have the RIGHT to move on, but as you mention, it may not be an easy thing, given a person's circumstances.

The term Economic Slavery is a metaphor for being "trapped in a dead-end job".

Anyone who feels "trapped in a dead-end job" has made the mistake of taking that job in the first place.
After a lifetime of working, I never felt trapped in any dead-end job. If I couldn't move ever upward, I never took that job in the first place.

 

[Aneeda72]

Anyone who feels "trapped in a dead-end job" has made the mistake of taking that job in the first place.
After a lifetime of working, I never felt trapped in any dead-end job. If I couldn't move ever upward, I never took that job in the first place.

Thank you for making my point.

Endless discussions that go nowhere over opinions that don’t matter. And this is why I have learned not to engage with certain people on certain subjects.

 

[Buckeye]

If you think that being stuck in a job you don't like because blah blah blah is in any way akin to actual slavery, you are in severe need of an education of what it was like to be a slave in America. Jeebus...

 

[Aneeda72]

If you think that being stuck in a job you don't like because blah blah blah is in any way akin to actual slavery, you are in severe need of an education of what it was like to be a slave in America. Jeebus...

My mother, a white woman, at the age of 15 during the depression picked cotton along side all the other workers, of all colors, on her Uncles cotton farm (plantation). Planation turned farm turned ranch. It’s actually in history books. It’s actually still owned by that family today.

My mother’s father had finally died due to wounds received in WWI. Her mother lost the farm. All the older children were farmed out to relatives as was common in that time period. Your ignorance, @Buckeye of how things were is showing.

If you think YOU know what it was like to be a slave in America, an actual slave of the distance past; or an “economic slave” of the depression or modern times; you are wrong.

Sadly, there has never been and never will be a cure for what you have. This is my educated opinion. Still, it’s just an opinion, but a very knowledgeable opinion.

 

[Buckeye]

My mother, a white woman, at the age of 15 during the depression picked cotton along side all the other workers, of all colors, on her Uncles cotton farm (plantation). Planation turned farm turned ranch. It’s actually in history books. It’s actually still owned by that family today.

My mother’s father had finally died due to wounds received in WWI. Her mother lost the farm. All the older children were farmed out to relatives as was common in that time period. Your ignorance, @Buckeye of how things were is showing.

If you think YOU know what it was like to be a slave in America, an actual slave of the distance past; or an “economic slave” of the depression or modern times; you are wrong.

Sadly, there has never been and never will be a cure for what you have. This is my educated opinion. Still, it’s just an opinion, but a very knowledgeable opinion.

lol - thanks for proving me right. You do need some serious study time. Here's a link for you to consider

Slavery in the American South

Your family history is hardly unique, and certainly does not compare to actual slavery.

 

[Aneeda72]

lol - thanks for proving me right. You do need some serious study time. Here's a link for you to consider

Slavery in the American South

And your family history is hardly unique, and certainly does not compare to actual slavery.

Thank you again. Another proof of my point of endless non-important conversations that drag on forever as someone tries to prove that they are right. . They know about slavery In the America South.

I would like to see the actual proof of the not uniqueness of my family‘s history. Perhaps, @Buckeye, you could provide me with a link of family histories where a white niece is sent to work on a cotton farm (plantation) owned by her white uncle during the depression after her father died, working only for her room and board. When her fellow non related colored workers are paid a not decent wage, but a wage.

While you are at it, just for giggles, please feel free to explain the variety of better uplifting jobs a 15 year old schoolgirl, and the other workers in the middle of the great depression, could have obtained while college educated men were throwing themselves off buildings.

See, this conversation could go on endlessly. And it’s off subject. Because, now, @Buckeye wants to talk about historical slavery in America which is also off topic. In addition, @Buckeye has used the old “you need more educating about slavery in the south”. . Yup, I don’t. Really, I don’t.

 

[Buckeye]

And thanks again for showing us who you are. @Aneeda72 you are making a bunch of assumptions based on your own biases. You know nothing about me or my family, and I feel no need to disclose it. But I will say again, your family history is not unique, given the depression era in America, and does not begin to compare to actual slavery. Read the above link.

And comparing historic slavery to modern slavery is the topic of this thread. Being in a job you don't like hardly rises to the definition of slavery. Here's another link for you to ignore.

Living Conditions of Slave

 

[Alligatorob]

know what it was like to be a slave in America, an actual slave of the distance past

Of course I don't, no one alive today does. However that past isn't so distant. As a young child my mother knew some of our family's former slaves. They were of course quite old by then, but my mother remembered them well and told us about them. And I had a great great aunt, Sarah Pamela Williams , who wrote about her life, and casually mentioned the house slaves. It was recently reprinted https://www.amazon.com/Cracker-Times-Pioneer-Lives-Reminiscences/dp/1570033463 Aunt Pam lived with my grandfather when he was young and helped raise him, heard a lot about her growing up.

I don't have much direct knowledge as to how our family slaves were treated. The family mythology was that they were treated well, but I am skeptical. I have a copy of a letter written to my great great great grandmother complaining about having to sell Sarah to help pay for a move. So it isn't all so "distant" to me.

This slavery allowed the owners to buy, sell, and abuse people without much, if any, legal recourse. My ancestors, people who's names I know, pictures I have, and grew up hearing about, probably did some of that.

I just don't see that as the same thing as people being trapped in jobs, I know people had it hard, particularly in the depression, but just not the same.

 

[Warrigal]

I thought only evil, rotten, no good, useless, scum of the earth Europeans that settled in North America and eventually became the United States and scum of the earth Americans and that brought people from the African continent in the 1600's and 1700's and 1800's and enslaved them and eventually along with Europe, Australia and some other countries outlawed slavery, were the only peoples that permitted slavery! You mean America, Canada and most European countries, were not and are not the only countries that ever engaged in the slave trade??? My goodness, I had no idea!! Where is the outrage?

Indentured servitude was a form of slavery some 300 years ago and is still practised in some countries today even where it is against the law.

From Wikipedia -

Indentured servitude in British America​

Indentured servitude, the state of being a slave, in British America was the prominent system of labour in British American colonies until it was eventually overcome by slavery.[1] During its time, the system was so prominent that more than half of all immigrants to British colonies south of New England were white servants, and that nearly half of total white immigration to the Thirteen Colonies came under indenture.[2] Allegedly by the beginning of the American Revolutionary War in 1775, only 2 to 3 percent of the colonial labour force was composed of indentured servants.[3]

The consensus view among economic historians and economist [citation?] is that indentured servitude became popular in the Thirteen Colonies in the seventeenth century because of a large demand for labor there, coupled with labor surpluses in Europe and high costs of transatlantic transportation beyond the means of European workers.[4][5] Between the 1630s and the American Revolution, one-half to two-thirds of white immigrants to the Thirteen Colonies arrived under indentures.[6] Half a million Europeans, mostly young men, also went to the Caribbean under indenture to work on plantations. Most indentures were voluntary, although some people were tricked or coerced into them.[7] A debt peonage system similar to indenture was also used in southern New England and Long Island to control and assimilate Native Americans from the 1600s through the American Revolution.[8]

Indentured servitude continued in North America into the early 20th century, but the number of indentured servants declined over time.[9]

 

[Aneeda72]

And thanks again for showing us who you are. @Aneeda72 you are making a bunch of assumptions based on your own biases. You know nothing about me or my family, and I feel no need to disclose it. But I will say again, your family history is not unique, given the depression era in America, and does not begin to compare to actual slavery. Read the above link.

And comparing historic slavery to modern slavery is the topic of this thread. Being in a job you don't like hardly rises to the definition of slavery. Here's another link for you to ignore.

Living Conditions of Slave

Oh, gee, I always show who I am.

I have not asked you to disclose anything about yourself or your family. It’s all about ME, ME. As I show who I am to the world. . I made no assumptions about your family. I NEVER even mentioned your family. But, you know, I am old and perhaps I missed where I mentioned your family. I really thought I mentioned my family. And you mentioned my family. Cause it’s all about ME.

Please quote where I brought up your family. Otherwise it becomes just another tactic that people use, you in particular apparently, use to attempt to prove yourself right. Claiming my assumptions and my biases show who I am. . What assumptions? What biases? And how do those assumptions and biases relate to the topic of the thread?

Which is “modern slavery” and not a comparison of modern slavery to historic slavery. But threads always drift, so no problem there. Although you have made this one drift pretty far. The problem, as I see it, when one member attacks another member, which is what you are doing IMO, in order to prove the rightness of their opinion; it causes the thread to drift a lot.

As I have said, endlessly , and will say again . Opinions are neither right or wrong. They are merely opinions. Also @Buckeye your have failed to prove that the experiences of my family are not unique. In fact, this is unprovable as the experiences of any individual family are always unique, as families are unique. .

In any event, Modern Slavery is based on various economic conditions. History slavery was based on economic conditions. ”It’s the economy stupid” remains a very valid quote in regards to slavery of any kind.

 

[Pepper]

A woman who is forced to have a child she does not want is a slave. If you don't own your own person you own nothing.

 

[Aneeda72]

Of course I don't, no one alive today does. However that past isn't so distant. As a young child my mother knew some of our family's former slaves. They were of course quite old by then, but my mother remembered them well and told us about them. And I had a great great aunt, Sarah Pamela Williams , who wrote about her life, and casually mentioned the house slaves. It was recently reprinted https://www.amazon.com/Cracker-Times-Pioneer-Lives-Reminiscences/dp/1570033463 Aunt Pam lived with my grandfather when he was young and helped raise him, heard a lot about her growing up.

I don't have much direct knowledge as to how our family slaves were treated. The family mythology was that they were treated well, but I am skeptical. I have a copy of a letter written to my great great great grandmother complaining about having to sell Sarah to help pay for a move. So it isn't all so "distant" to me.

This slavery allowed the owners to buy, sell, and abuse people without much, if any, legal recourse. My ancestors, people who's names I know, pictures I have, and grew up hearing about, probably did some of that.

I just don't see that as the same thing as people being trapped in jobs, I know people had it hard, particularly in the depression, but just not the same.

I did not make the quote you first quoted and attributed to me about slavery. I believe that was buckeye who made that statement.

Since my extended family did not treat my mother well, I am sure they did not treat their slaves well. My mother was beaten with a small fresh branch cut off a tree. I know this for sure as she always commented on how lucky I was that she beat me with a wide leather belt and not a tree branch. Apparently a tree branch cuts more than a belt.

She always asked me if I would like to be beaten with a tree branch. My preference was not to be beaten at all. . However, saying so would have resulted in an untimely death-for me. See, it’s all about me. Although, I never appreciated the difference; between a tree branch and a belt; and I still don’t.

I also have old pictures, the old stories, but no letters. The pictures I have do not contain pictures of the slaves or the plantation/farm/ranch. I am not researching my mother’s family on ancestry as yet and will probably die before I have time to do so. My interest lies with my father’s family.

Historical slavery was legal, so, of course, slaves had no legal rights.

Attempting to compare different types slavery is impossible, and I refuse to engage in such a discussion. Slavery, in any form, is unacceptable. Yet, several forms of slavery continue to exsist In our Modern world. One form of slavery is not worst than another form of slavery. All types of slavery are horrific.

 

[Aneeda72]

A woman who is forced to have a child she does not want is a slave. If you don't own your own person you own nothing.

A 10 year old girl child, pregnant via rape, the poster child for Modern Slavery in the Deep South.

 

[Pepper]

A 10 year old girl child, pregnant via rape, the poster child for Modern Slavery in the Deep South.

Except she was from Ohio...........

 

[Aneeda72]

Except she was from Ohio...........

Yes, I realize that but thanks. The image fits as the South has always objected to Roe vs Wade. My mother’s family is from the south, her mother received a civil war pension. I’ve never investigated why it wasn’t a WWI pension.

My father’s father married a South Carolina Wright, (you are welcome for the airplanes ).

 

[Buckeye]

{shrug} I guess someone is having a really bad day. I hope it gets better for you.

And I'd like to suggest a good read "Hard Times" by Studs Terkel. Very enlightening about life during the depression, and exposes both the commonality of the poverty and the staggering disparity in wealth (sound familiar?).

 

[Aneeda72]

{shrug} I guess someone is having a really bad day. I hope it gets better for you.

And I'd like to suggest a good read "Hard Times" by Studs Terkel. Very enlightening about life during the depression, and exposes both the commonality of the poverty and the staggering disparity in wealth (sound familiar?).

So I guess you missed the part about my mother’s father dying, her mother losing the family farm, her mother having to “farm” out her older children, the extreme poverty of the family situation and, you think I need to read a book about hard times? . Not to mention my father growing up on a dirt farm in Kansas during the same time period.

As to telling me what kind of day I am having. How arrogant of you, telling me how I feel. @Buckeye I have suggestion for you, oh, never mind. As I said, there is no cure for what you have . Arrogance, however, can be cured. Therapy, lot of therapy; or you could read a book.

 

[Sunny]

Oh really? Like most of us I spent many years of my life working. If I did not care for my situation, I found another. I was no slave, and I knew no one who believed they were a “slave”. So what is your solution to your perceived life of slavery? Socialism? I worked with former victims of Vietnamese and Cambodian Socialism. I can assure you that they were overjoyed to have traded that life for a world of work in the United States, and NEVER considered themselves to be slaves of that work.

There are other alternatives than the two you give us, ElCastor. Being stuck in a miserable job with wages that no human being could live on, vs. socialism are the only two options you mention.

How about a legally mandated minmum wage?

 

[Paco Dennis]

Ironic that we are debating slavery in all it's various aspects and we our honoring Veteran's today who have put their lives on the line to protect us from becoming slaves!

 

[Aneeda72]

Ironic that we are debating slavery in all it's various aspects and we our honoring Veteran's today who have put their lives on the line to protect us from becoming slaves!

Hmm, I don’t think anyone has tried to “enslave” the US, but I could be wrong. Even the civil war wasn’t about slavery although historians disagree on this and I have no opinion.

 

[Paco Dennis]

Hmm, I don’t think anyone has tried to “enslave” the US, but I could be wrong. Even the civil war wasn’t about slavery although historians disagree on this and I have no opinion.

I guess stopping Hitler, and other Communist aggressions is preserving democracy, no?

 

[Aneeda72]

I guess stopping Hitler, and other Communist aggressions is preserving democracy, no?

. Hilter was not trying to make slaves of US citizens. This thread is about Modern Slavery. . At least that’s what the title says.

As for the oh so very scary (to some) communist or socialist, they are political parties in the modern world in which we live. As far as I know, they do not have slaves, as a group. And, as I recall, the US did not enter WWII eagerly; but attempted to avoid war for quite some time. We had to be reluctantly drawn in.

 

[Paco Dennis]

. Hilter was not trying to make slaves of US citizens. This thread is about Modern Slavery. . At least that’s what the title says.

As for the oh so very scary (to some) communist or socialist, they are political parties in the modern world in which we live. As far as I know, they do not have slaves, as a group. And, as I recall, the US did not enter WWII eagerly; but attempted to avoid war for quite some time. We had to be reluctantly drawn in.

Tell me where all these slaves.. like jews, sex slaves, etc... come from except authoritarian strong men? Oh, please don't lecture me on what the OP says. I know...and my post is my opinion, no less and no more that every other post on this thread. OPINIONS!

 

[Aneeda72]

Tell me where all these slaves.. like jews, sex slaves, etc... come from except authoritarian strong men?

What? “Like Jews”? @Paco Dennis, you are standing on dangerous ground. Stop, just stop. I am out of this conversation with you. Wtheck?

 

[Paco Dennis]

What? “Like Jews”? @Paco Dennis, you are standing on dangerous ground. Stop, just stop. I am out of this conversation with you. Wtheck?

Promise? Good!