MPs today voted in favour of assisted dying uk

Nathan said:
Having assisted dying available should cut down on such desperate and morbid means of ending the terminal suffering.
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Nathan, that’s what I attempted to explain by stating how doctors here can end a life with zero suffering by continually injecting drugs via IV to keep the patient in a medical provided coma and not fed. Supposedly, there is no pain.

I didn’t want to make this personal, but my mother was one of the patients that I knew that went through this procedure. She died quietly and without pain. It was difficult for my sister and I to visit our dear Mother, but knowing she was at peace during the process did help. Our family’s minister made a visit to her each day and we were able to pray together, which also relieved our pain somewhat.
 
hollydolly said:
In the past few years voluntary assisted dying has become legal across most of Australia. While in New Zealand, patients must be terminally ill and expected to die within six months. That is extended to 12 months for those with a neurodegenerative condition in eligible parts of Australia.

In both countries, patients can self-administer the lethal medication. But it can also be administered by a doctor or nurse, usually via an intravenous injection.
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Slight variations between states of Australia - but correct, legal all of them now subject to criteria of sound mind and disease expected t o cause death within 6 months - or 12 months in some cases.
 
hollydolly said:
I believe there are 10 states which allow assisted dying...since 1997..initially Oregon was the first..followed by...

California, Colorado, The District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington.


In most of these states, the law states that assisted dying is not considered suicide, assisted suicide, mercy killing, or homicide
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Thanks! Good to know!
 
RuralKanuck said:
“the Bill will allow terminally ill, mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live -to seek an assisted death”
As one who supports this bill I have one question, what of those who have expressed a quick and easy passing beyond 6 months in the future but who now are now no longer “mentally competent” are they to suffer because their wishes do not fit within this criteria. Also what constitutes 'terminally ill'? We all are going to pass sooner or later and every medical professional will have a different idea of when that will probably occur, should someone decide to take this move I suspect the process would be enough to send you to the grave anyway!
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It does seem like this could be a legal nightmare, when a bottle of pills could do the same thing. If the family can "pull the plug" when you're incompetent, why can't you "pull the plug" when you are competent?
 
Suicide by train also screws up the whole system, for hours, affecting millions of people. So, I don't care for this method. Too disruptive to others, but who in that state is thinking of others?
 
HoneyNut said:
That's great, though it sounds ridiculously restrictive. When my nephew was diagnosed with a degenerative disease he committed suicide years before he would have lost the ability to care for himself, because he didn't want to live like that, if he'd had the choice of assisted death without restrictions, maybe he would have stayed with us for longer.
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That is just so very awfully tragic.
 
My state does not (yet) allow assisted suicide, though there are groups fighting to get it. I do have friends who live in other states where it is allowed, and they are all happy to have that option should it be needed. I wish we had it here. I don't expect to need it, but you never know.

So "the states" are not against it. Some states are. It's a matter of individual state law.
 
I agree with your reasoning, hollydolly, but don't
agree with assisted dying!

They say that 2 Doctors and 1 Judge, will have to
authorise the permission, between them, that was the
result of the vote in Parliament, there was no mention,
that the person, wishing to end their own life, had to
administer the fatal injection on their own, if that was
included, I would be more likely to support the move.

But, give politicians the slightest gap to manoeuvre in
the wording, then they will, I think, start to euthanise some
healthy people, because they are a burden to the system,
no matter that they are healthy, but that they get a lot of
Financial support, from the Government, or that they not
healthy enough, too often.

There will be a clause stating that, if a person is too infirm,
to administer the lethal injection themselves, then another
person in the establishment will be authorised to administer
the shot.

Maybe you can see where I am coming from, without bullet
proof rules and regulations, it can be a charter to get rid of
people who do not fit into the, "Good Citizen", bracket with
our rulers!

As you mentioned, hollydolly, the system in Canada has been
abused, do any Canadians agree with this statement or are
you happy with the availability, of the regulation?

Mike.

Mike.
 
Mike said:
I agree with your reasoning, hollydolly, but don't
agree with assisted dying!

They say that 2 Doctors and 1 Judge, will have to
authorise the permission, between them, that was the
result of the vote in Parliament, there was no mention,
that the person, wishing to end their own life, had to
administer the fatal injection on their own, if that was
included, I would be more likely to support the move.

But, give politicians the slightest gap to manoeuvre in
the wording, then they will, I think, start to euthanise some
healthy people, because they are a burden to the system,
no matter that they are healthy, but that they get a lot of
Financial support, from the Government, or that they not
healthy enough, too often.

There will be a clause stating that, if a person is too infirm,
to administer the lethal injection themselves, then another
person in the establishment will be authorised to administer
the shot.

Maybe you can see where I am coming from, without bullet
proof rules and regulations, it can be a charter to get rid of
people who do not fit into the, "Good Citizen", bracket with
our rulers!

As you mentioned, hollydolly, the system in Canada has been
abused, do any Canadians agree with this statement or are
you happy with the availability, of the regulation?

Mike.

Mike.
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NOpe sorry Mike I don't agree with any of this.... and I personally didn't mention that the Canadian system has been abused that was me copying an pasting information....

There are 10 states in the USA who allow assisted dying... there's also Dignitas sswitzerland.. when. was the last time you heard any these people being killed illegally...never....

If you've ever watched people who are screaming in pain at the end of their life, where no painkiller administered by a doctor helps.. a patient who is at home , and being looked after by an exhausted partner.. who has to work 20 hours out of 24, toileting them, washing them, listening to them begging for someone to take the pain away.,, to keep the patient alive who is agony and who is begging for death...then theres no way you would not want this law passed
 
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Virtually everyone I know in our age group has enough prescription meds on hand to end life fairly painlessly. Younger generations could probably access sufficient street drugs without too much ado - a dealer known by some friend of a friend of a friend.

Unless completely paralyzed, most Americans can arrange an easy exit, especially if they bring a warm bath into the picture.
Nathan said:
Having assisted dying available should cut down on such desperate and morbid means of ending the terminal suffering.
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Absolutely true.
 
Mike said:
I agree with your reasoning, hollydolly, but don't
agree with assisted dying!

They say that 2 Doctors and 1 Judge, will have to
authorise the permission, between them, that was the
result of the vote in Parliament, there was no mention,
that the person, wishing to end their own life, had to
administer the fatal injection on their own, if that was
included, I would be more likely to support the move.

But, give politicians the slightest gap to manoeuvre in
the wording, then they will, I think, start to euthanise some
healthy people, because they are a burden to the system,
no matter that they are healthy, but that they get a lot of
Financial support, from the Government, or that they not
healthy enough, too often.

There will be a clause stating that, if a person is too infirm,
to administer the lethal injection themselves, then another
person in the establishment will be authorised to administer
the shot.

Maybe you can see where I am coming from, without bullet
proof rules and regulations, it can be a charter to get rid of
people who do not fit into the, "Good Citizen", bracket with
our rulers!

As you mentioned, hollydolly, the system in Canada has been
abused, do any Canadians agree with this statement or are
you happy with the availability, of the regulation?

Mike.

Mike.
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I don't think Canada's system has been abused at all. A friend of ours chose it because he had bladder cancer and the dying process was extended and horrible. And people who are mentally ill (only), so far cannot get that assistance unless there are egregious conditions attached. Like a young man in Ontario who's brain made his body feel constant agonizing pain even though there was no illness involved. He was mostly bed ridden and no medications tried had ever helped. Unfortunately, he had to find a drug dealer to sell him heroin so that he had to OD in a motel room alone so his parents wouldn't get in trouble.

He was among the first few who tried to get the exemption for some mental health problems included but the law didn't change in time for him. And efforts were made to allow Alzheimer's patients to pre-sign legal documents, but I don't believe that passed as of today.

Early on, I read of a woman in the Gulf Islands of BC. As the drugs are taken by mouth, she had arranged that when she was ready in her own time, to say adieu, her husband took a mattress and cozy blankets and pillows out to an overlook under the pines where she could look out onto the ocean as the sun was coming up. She's said goodbye to her family the evening before and as the sun was rising, her husband took her out to see her last sunrise and then she took the medications. A beautiful and loving moment shared with her husband as she moved away from the pain she'd been experiencing from her cancer.
 
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But that can happen with people who are using drugs for non-suicidal reasons, also. Patients get confused, accidentally take double doses, etc. I think if a law is humane and can be supervised in a responsible manner, physician-assisted suicide should be allowed after all the i's are dotted and all the t's crossed. Of course, mistakes can be made, including by doctors performing genuine surgery trying to cure the patient, etc. But that's no reason to outlaw it.

And as Deborah said about abuse of the law, I have never heard of abuse either. We don't have mad doctors running around murdering their patients because they want to, outside of Netflix and Prime.
 

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