Mutilating their own bodies

Shalimar said:
Up until about a hundred years ago, one could by heroin etc at the corner chemist, who knows what the addiction rate was? It was common practice to give teething babies a spot of booze to help with the pain, I imagine many received laudanum, as well.
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Physicians in ancient Egypt recommended opium for quieting infants. The records exist.

Ken N Tx said:
I do not think that the young people today think of what will happen in the future. My son in law has to keep his arms covered with long sleeve shirts while on the job. Another friend ( female) has a tattoo on her wrist that future employers have committed on during job interviews.

I don't know how anyone of them with facial tattoos can get a job!!
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If a person without tattoos can't get a job because of incompetence, lack of education, etc., getting tattoos allows him to say that people were too biased to hire him. He's likely telling himself that more than he has a chance to tell others.

I once saw a color picture on the front page of a Salt Lake newspaper showing a man whose head was entirely covered with tattoos. He had murdered a prison guard who was taking him to a medical appointment so he had apparently been a low security risk. However, tattoos of this sort are obvious evidence of psychosis.
 

Shalimar said:
I might find a head converted in tattoos odd, but I would not feel it was reliable evidence of psychosis.
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Here's a medical description of psychotic behavior.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/psychosis

"Patients suffering from psychosis have impaired reality testing; that is, they are unable to distinguish personal subjective experience from the reality of the external world. They experience hallucinations and/or delusions that they believe are real, and may behave and communicate in an inappropriate and incoherent fashion. Psychosis may appear as a symptom of a number of mental disorders, including mood and personality disorders. It is also the defining feature of schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, schizoaffective disorder, delusional disorder, and the psychotic disorders (i.e., brief psychotic disorder, shared psychotic disorder, psychotic disorder due to a general medical condition, and substance-induced psychotic disorder)."
 

Big Horn said:
Here's a medical description of psychotic behavior.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/psychosis

"Patients suffering from psychosis have impaired reality testing; that is, they are unable to distinguish personal subjective experience from the reality of the external world. They experience hallucinations and/or delusions that they believe are real, and may behave and communicate in an inappropriate and incoherent fashion. Psychosis may appear as a symptom of a number of mental disorders, including mood and personality disorders. It is also the defining feature of schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, schizoaffective disorder, delusional disorder, and the psychotic disorders (i.e., brief psychotic disorder, shared psychotic disorder, psychotic disorder due to a general medical condition, and substance-induced psychotic disorder)."
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As a psychotherapist I am cognizant of the requirements of a psychotic diagnosis, I simply do not believe a tattooed head is necessarily symptomatic of a break with reality. For example, the Maori of New Zealand at one time embraced full facial tattoos,

I have seen a picture of a western missionary who embraced this practice while living among them. I sincerely doubt that he or they were psychotic. One of the most important things any psychologist learns is that a diagnosis reveals as much about the therapist as it does about the client. Just because a person may choose to live in a way I personally find bizarre or abhorant, in no way automatically qualifies them for being perceived as psychotic.
 
Shalimar, with all due respect to you and your profession, I feel it is necessary to point out that we can not compare Western man to the Maori of New Zealand. The Maori were, after all, savages of the basest nature who regularly engaged in cannibalism. For a Western man to mimic the Maori and start eating people we must, IMO, seriously consider the likelihood that he is psychotic. The same holds true of full-facial tattoos. Full facial tattoos are, after all, extremely anti-social.

I know that Shalimar is totally aware that an anti-social personality is, aka : psychopath, later renamed sociopath, but many of our readers may not be so aware.
 
I can't see that legitimate tatoo artists would do full facial tatooing. And aren't they liable for doing tatoos for people they perceive as being inebriated, mentally unstable, under age, or under the influence of drugs? It has to be done by some other people doing that kind of tatoos, such as it's done in prison.

Just recently there was a sad, sad, story about a two-year old that had been horribly physically abused early on by the father and then poisoned by the mother. The father has full facial tatoos. No one can make me believe that's anything a normal person would do. That's psychotic to me. JMO. And how does such a child get put back in such a situation in the first place?
 
Traveler said:
Shalimar, with all due respect to you and your profession, I feel it is necessary to point out that we can not compare Western man to the Maori of New Zealand. The Maori were, after all, savages of the basest nature who regularly engaged in cannibalism. For a Western man to mimic the Maori and start eating people we must, IMO, seriously consider the likelihood that he is psychotic. The same holds true of full-facial tattoos. Full facial tattoos are, after all, extremely anti-social.

I know that Shalimar is totally aware that an anti-social personality is, aka : psychopath, later renamed sociopath, but many of our readers may not be so aware.
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Actually, ritual cannibalism as a way to absorb the strength of one’s enemies, was a part of many warrior cultures, including some of the indigenous people of North America. To label such people who had such a rich history including producing phenomenal music, art, and textiles, as “base savages,” seems somewhat one dimensional, given the history of cruelty/genocide carried out against them by so called civilised Man. As for the aforementioned missionary, he did not engage in cannibalism, Christians don’t.
 
Speaking of "base savages" ...

As just two examples, both Massachusettes and New Hampshire offered bounties for Indian scalps, usually paying more for a male than a female.
 
SifuPhil said:
Speaking of "base savages" ...

As just two examples, both Massachusettes and New Hampshire offered bounties for Indian scalps, usually paying more for a male than a female.
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I have never seen any offered for sale. The situation seems to be similar to the tsantsa (shrunken head) market where lab tests never seem to indicate an original. I did read of one that was human, but it was a woman. The real ones are male warriors.

Scalps should mummify in the dry heat of Mexico and the SW U.S., but where are they?

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/HNS/Scalpin/oldfolks.html
 
Traveler said:
Shalimar, with all due respect to you and your profession, I feel it is necessary to point out that we can not compare Western man to the Maori of New Zealand. The Maori were, after all, savages of the basest nature who regularly engaged in cannibalism. For a Western man to mimic the Maori and start eating people we must, IMO, seriously consider the likelihood that he is psychotic. The same holds true of full-facial tattoos. Full facial tattoos are, after all, extremely anti-social.

I know that Shalimar is totally aware that an anti-social personality is, aka : psychopath, later renamed sociopath, but many of our readers may not be so aware.
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RadishRose said:
Who said so?
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I said so. Unless there as been some new law passed, of which I am unaware, I am still entitled to my opinion. And, my opinion is that people with full facial tattoos, and/or 2 pounds of metal hanging from their face, are extremely anti-social. People who so flagrantly ignore societies customs are, in effect, saying to the world F*** Y** !
 
Big Horn said:
I have never seen any offered for sale. The situation seems to be similar to the tsantsa (shrunken head) market where lab tests never seem to indicate an original. I did read of one that was human, but it was a woman. The real ones are male warriors.

Scalps should mummify in the dry heat of Mexico and the SW U.S., but where are they?

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/HNS/Scalpin/oldfolks.html
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I can't speak to why there are no remaining scalps, but that was a good article you posted.
 
SifuPhil said:
Speaking of "base savages" ...

As just two examples, both Massachusettes and New Hampshire offered bounties for Indian scalps, usually paying more for a male than a female.
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We've had a few "base savages" in our own culture - the gross tortures of people in the middle ages - in the name of Christianity - and burning them alive - again, in the name of Christianity. The Salem witch burnings here in America.
 
Traveler said:
I said so. Unless there as been some new law passed, of which I am unaware, I am still entitled to my opinion. And, my opinion is that people with full facial tattoos, and/or 2 pounds of metal hanging from their face, are extremely anti-social. People who so flagrantly ignore societies customs are, in effect, saying to the world F*** Y** !
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:rolleyes: No one is trying to take away your opinion.

I asked who
you said you
thanks and good night, too.
 
People who support the concept of full facial tattoos and bizarre facial piercings seem to be saying, 'It's their body and they have a right to do with it as they please'. If so, then I ask if it is also perfectly acceptable to sneeze without any attempt to cover it, just spray all over everyone ? Or how about if you are in a restaurant, enjoying your meal, and some jerk at the next table lets out the loudest belch you ever heard ? Or how about you are at a restaurant, dining with someone, and you see him picking his nose and wiping it on his sleeve. Wouldn't you be grossed out ? If you answered yes, then I ask you, why? After all, it's his body, shouldn't he be allowed to do whatever he wants to do with it.?

Society has unwritten rules for civilized behavior. When people start doing any darn thing they please, any time they darn well feel like it, then society begins to crumble.
 
Traveler said:
Then they can't have any reason to complain when the world tells them, in return, F*** Y** TOO ! Get the hell away from us. " No job. No apartment rental. In fact no anything that the law does not absolutely require us to do.
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And you would be content being a person like that?

Where does the line get drawn? Today it's tats and piercings, tomorrow it's skin color, the next day it's left-handers.

I don't know about where you live, but here in PA (and pretty much everywhere on the East coast) it's illegal to turn someone down for a job or an apartment simply based on their physical appearance.
 
Traveler said:
People who support the concept of full facial tattoos and bizarre facial piercings seem to be saying, 'It's their body and they have a right to do with it as they please'. If so, then I ask if it is also perfectly acceptable to sneeze without any attempt to cover it, just spray all over everyone ?
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That's a health matter.

Or how about if you are in a restaurant, enjoying your meal, and some jerk at the next table lets out the loudest belch you ever heard ?
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That's a manners matter.

Or how about you are at a restaurant, dining with someone, and you see him picking his nose and wiping it on his sleeve.
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That as well is a manners matter.

Wouldn't you be grossed out ? If you answered yes, then I ask you, why? After all, it's his body, shouldn't he be allowed to do whatever he wants to do with it.?
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I wouldn't be grossed out - I've seen far worse. And yes, he can do what he wants with his own body. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but it also doesn't mean you have to go on a vendetta against sneezers, belchers and nose-pickers.

Society has unwritten rules for civilized behavior. When people start doing any darn thing they please, any time they darn well feel like it, then society begins to crumble.
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If those rules are unwritten then we really don't have to follow them. It's a matter of convenience, upbringing, manners and personal likes and dislikes, nothing more.

You seem to have a rage-on for these tatted/pierced folks. Why not just live and let live, you'll reduce the amount of acids your stomach is churning out.
 
SifuPhil said:
I wouldn't be grossed out - I've seen far worse. And yes, he can do what he wants with his own body. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but it also doesn't mean you have to go on a vendetta against sneezers, belchers and nose-pickers...

If those rules are unwritten then we really don't have to follow them. It's a matter of convenience, upbringing, manners and personal likes and dislikes, nothing more.
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Do you mind people who pick their noses and draw out a really big and juicy looking booger, then hold it up to the light to examine it more closely, then finally pop it into their mouths and eat it with a mouth smacking sound and a grunt of pleasure.

The foregoing notwithstanding, I'd prefer to watch someone eat boogers while I'm eating lunch than to look at a tattooed face.
 
Big Horn said:
Do you mind people who pick their noses and draw out a really big and juicy looking booger, then hold it up to the light to examine it more closely, then finally pop it into their mouths and eat it with a mouth smacking sound and a grunt of pleasure.

The foregoing notwithstanding, I'd prefer to watch someone eat boogers while I'm eating lunch than to look at a tattooed face.
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I'll take the face
 
Big Horn said:
Do you mind people who pick their noses and draw out a really big and juicy looking booger, then hold it up to the light to examine it more closely, then finally pop it into their mouths and eat it with a mouth smacking sound and a grunt of pleasure.

The foregoing notwithstanding, I'd prefer to watch someone eat boogers while I'm eating lunch than to look at a tattooed face.
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Amen. My feelings exactly.
 

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