Mutilating their own bodies

I'm pretty sure some of the extremests do it to freak others out. Those that have something like the Rose tatoo, and some ears pierced, or a nose, just feel it's pretty, and yes, some are very pretty. One reason I don't have anything but pierced ears (wow, pretty extreme though, 2 holes in each, lol) is I couldn't handle the needles, plus, as someone else said, it's permanent. I change my mind too much to commit to a life-long "decor" on my bod. Not to forget a beautiful Rose would not look so hot wrinkling up as I grow older:(
 

Denise1952 said:
Speak of ink, I was wondering if it is healthy to have that (not to mention the dye colors) shot into your skin? I mean I grew up with a lot of the guys having tatoos on their arms etc. and never heard of any being infected or sick from one. Guess I can google it.
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Tattoo shops are regulated & (I assume) inspected, but anything can happen. I've never worried about it.
 
this would change the topic, but I have to mention that those pants worn at half-mast seem to defy gravity, and a genuine mystery to this sleuth, LOL!
 

It seems to me that with every passing new generation, things get weirder and weirder.
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Spoken like a true geezer!

Here's an old Broadway song from Bye Bye, Birdie:


Kids!
I don't know what's wrong with these kids today!
Kids!
Who can understand anything they say?
Kids!
They a disobedient, disrespectful oafs!
Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers!
While we're on the subject:
Kids!
You can talk and talk till your face is blue!
Kids!
But they still just do what they want to do!
Why can't they be like we were,
Perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Kids!
I've tried to raise him the best I could
Kids! Kids!
Laughing, singing, dancing, grinning, morons!
And while we're on the subject!
Kids! They are just impossible to control!
Kids! With their awful clothes and their rock an' roll!
Why can't they dance like we did
What's wrong with Sammy Kaye?

What's the matter with kids today!

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Sunny said:
Spoken like a true geezer!

Here's an old Broadway song from Bye Bye, Birdie:


Kids!
I don't know what's wrong with these kids today!
Kids!
Who can understand anything they say?
Kids!
They a disobedient, disrespectful oafs!
Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers!
While we're on the subject:
Kids!
You can talk and talk till your face is blue!
Kids!
But they still just do what they want to do!
Why can't they be like we were,
Perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Kids!
I've tried to raise him the best I could
Kids! Kids!
Laughing, singing, dancing, grinning, morons!
And while we're on the subject!
Kids! They are just impossible to control!
Kids! With their awful clothes and their rock an' roll!
Why can't they dance like we did
What's wrong with Sammy Kaye?

What's the matter with kids today!

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A good reminder that things haven't changed much:rolleyes:
 
Sunny said:
Spoken like a true geezer!


Perhaps. I would, however, remind you that for most of human history, peoples lives, their thinking and their behaviors did not change one tiny bit from generation to generation. If we were to look at Egyptian history from 3000 B.C. up until their final downfall at the hands of Alexander in the 3rd century B.C., absolutely nothing changed in their day-to-day lives. Yes, there were some new inventions, like the wheel, and some improvements in metallurgy, but a man or woman from 3,000 B.C. would be totally at ease if they were magically transported into 500 B.C.

That is not true of todays world. Things change so rapidly that by the time we even start to understand society, new waves are overtaking us. In all of human history, no generation has been forced to deal with the changes that we, the boomers, have had to cope with.

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I vastly prefer living in a time, difficult changes or otherwise, to living in a past where, assuming I survived the rigours of childbirth, I would be fortunate if half of my children lived to maturity. In the eighteen hundreds, early twentieth century, thousands of homeless, illiterate kids roamed the big cities, orphans, or turned out by their poor parents. They lived rough, often lawless lives, usually died very young. I think modern day people would have difficulty dealing with them.
 
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Sunny said:
Spoken like a true geezer!


Perhaps. I would, however, remind you that for most of human history, peoples lives, their thinking and their behaviors did not change one tiny bit from generation to generation. If we were to look at Egyptian history from 3000 B.C. up until their final downfall at the hands of Alexander in the 3rd century B.C., absolutely nothing changed in their day-to-day lives. Yes, there were some new inventions, like the wheel, and some improvements in metallurgy, but a man or woman from 3,000 B.C. would be totally at ease if they were magically transported into 500 B.C.

That is not true of todays world. Things change so rapidly that by the time we even start to understand society, new waves are overtaking us. In all of human history, no generation has been forced to deal with the changes that we, the boomers, have had to cope with.

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I see your statement as true also Traveler. There are so many more of us now too, and things we see, just on the internet, are things that were NEVER seen by many in older times.
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I see today's problems as being wholly related to the decline of mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual well-being. And I think it's been from the beginning, a steady decline.
 
Denise1952 said:
I see today's problems as being wholly related to the decline of mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual well-being. And I think it's been from the beginning, a steady decline.
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That reminds me of a conversation I had 20 years ago with a lady friend. We were discussing the rapid rate of change and the decline of civilized behavior. She said to me, "My mother said the same thing to me during the 1960's, that everything was going to pot." I replied, "Yes, and your mother was right. Things have been going downhill for a very long time."

The world is going to "hell in a handbasket". True today. True 50 years ago. And true when the extended family of Mom, Pop, kids, grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins began to break up. Today, without the constant, ever present, steadying hand of older and wiser adults around to shepherd the youngsters, the children are left to their own, and all too often getting into serious trouble and starting down a path that will destroy them.

Children, without almost constant adult supervision, are grave danger, for those children will learn some pretty horrific things, in the streets.
Remember that sweet-faced infant that smiled up at you from the crib? Well, today too many of them are now full blown addicts by age 18.
The rate of childhood suicide is, today, far, far more prevalent than at any time in human history. The above are symptoms of a society falling apart.
 
I suspect that the rate of childhood suicide in the cities during the end of nineteenth and beginning of twentieth centuries, among the thousands of street kids, far eclipsed our normal stats. The history of that time, with some very stark pictures, is readily available. One of the things a psychotherapist learns early on in their career, is that fundamentally, people have not changed very much, yes, there are exceptions, evil exists as it always has, but most individuals just want to live a happy and productive life, however, with the rise of all the multimedia, sensationalism skews our point of view.
 
Traveler said:
That reminds me of a conversation I had 20 years ago with a lady friend. We were discussing the rapid rate of change and the decline of civilized behavior. She said to me, "My mother said the same thing to me during the 1960's, that everything was going to pot." I replied, "Yes, and your mother was right. Things have been going downhill for a very long time."

The world is going to "hell in a handbasket". True today. True 50 years ago. And true when the extended family of Mom, Pop, kids, grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins began to break up. Today, without the constant, ever present, steadying hand of older and wiser adults around to shepherd the youngsters, the children are left to their own, and all too often getting into serious trouble and starting down a path that will destroy them.

Children, without almost constant adult supervision, are grave danger, for those children will learn some pretty horrific things, in the streets.
Remember that sweet-faced infant that smiled up at you from the crib? Well, today too many of them are now full blown addicts by age 18.
The rate of childhood suicide is, today, far, far more prevalent than at any time in human history. The above are symptoms of a society falling apart.
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You are right Traveler, well said. I see the "NEW AGE" as nothing new at all;)
 
Shalimar said:
I suspect that the rate of childhood suicide in the cities during the end of nineteenth and beginning of twentieth centuries, among the thousands of street kids, far eclipsed our normal stats. The history of that time, with some very stark pictures, is readily available. One of the things a psychotherapist learns early on in their career, is that fundamentally, people have not changed very much, yes, there are exceptions, evil exists as it always has, but most individuals just want to live a happy and productive life, however, with the rise of all the multimedia, sensationalism skews our point of view.
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Very true.

Also, after a dip in the 20th-century stats in the late '80's - mid '90's, the suicide rates for ALL age groups have risen again, especially amongst teenaged girls.

The reasons? Poor economy, loss of access to medical aid (one of the largest predictors of suicide), and a switch from using cocaine to using heroin and Rx painkillers.
 
Up until about a hundred years ago, one could by heroin etc at the corner chemist, who knows what the addiction rate was? It was common practice to give teething babies a spot of booze to help with the pain, I imagine many received laudanum, as well.
 
Shalimar said:
Up until about a hundred years ago, one could by heroin etc at the corner chemist, who knows what the addiction rate was? It was common practice to give teething babies a spot of booze to help with the pain, I imagine many received laudanum, as well.
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A point to be considered.
 
Shalimar said:
Up until about a hundred years ago, one could by heroin etc at the corner chemist, who knows what the addiction rate was? It was common practice to give teething babies a spot of booze to help with the pain, I imagine many received laudanum, as well.
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In my hometown we had an old doctor that wrote prescriptions for opiates to treat melancholia and female complaints. When he died from an overdose many of his patients went through painful periods of withdrawal because the new doctors did not share his methods.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware that the old doctor had any tattoos or piercings at the time of his death.
 
Aunt Bea said:
In my hometown we had an old doctor that wrote prescriptions for opiates to treat melancholia and female complaints. When he died from an overdose many of his patients went through painful periods of withdrawal because the new doctors did not share his methods.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware that the old doctor had any tattoos or piercings at the time of his death.
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That is frightening. I believe in the sixties, it was common practice to give housewives Valium.
 
It seems to follow that the more population, the more troubles. Probably also, the more good, but not sure about the latter as I look around. On the whole though, I wonder if just the fact that there are "more people" does equal worse today??
 
I heard Stevie Nicks say her getting off Klonopin, a controlled substance, was worse than heroine. Maybe the drugs of choice have changed?? Easily acquired with a prescription, and horribly addicting.
 
Shalimar said:
I suspect that the rate of childhood suicide in the cities during the end of nineteenth and beginning of twentieth centuries, among the thousands of street kids, far eclipsed our normal stats. The history of that time, with some very stark pictures, is readily available. One of the things a psychotherapist learns early on in their career, is that fundamentally, people have not changed very much, yes, there are exceptions, evil exists as it always has, but most individuals just want to live a happy and productive life, however, with the rise of all the multimedia, sensationalism skews our point of view.
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Shalimar, I will yield to your greater knowledge of statistics but I did locate this. A jump from 6.5 youngster suicides per100,000 in 1900, to 13 in 1999
1900-1995 Suicide Rate for 15-24 Year Olds Chart Creator.png
 
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