My last thought about this situation

squatting dog

squatting dog

We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
Location
Arkansas, and also Florida
If you can't grasp this, then all hope is lost. :cry:

It is time to reassert our Constitutional rights before they are forever lost.
While we may now find ourselves in a flood of decreasing freedom as more authoritarian power lords over us, just remember that no one drowns simply by falling into the water. They die by staying underwater.

As this Chinese flu lock down goes into its third month, we are beginning to come to the realization that it is not as severe a problem as first envisioned. In fact, the reasons for the initial stay-at-home orders have passed. Originally the disruption of our freedoms was to slow the pandemic so hospitals were not overrun, like in Italy. We are beyond that point now. In fact, any stay-at-home orders are in direct contravention to the rights guaranteed
us in the Constitution.

"CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE PEACEABLY, AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES"

Those first words in our Bill of Rights, are rights that are endowed to us by our creator.
So, why are churches and synagogues doors shut yet Mosques are free to operate?
Another shining example, Michigan... why are liquor and marijuana stores remaining open, yet, gardening stores are unable to sell any products? Why is the ability to buy seeds and grow our own food prohibited?
How does a marijuana distributor protect us from the China flu, while the sale of squash seeds does not?
 

I grasp your train of thought, but disagree with it.

squatting dog said:
If you can't grasp this, then all hope is lost. :cry:

It is time to reassert our Constitutional rights before they are forever lost.
While we may now find ourselves in a flood of decreasing freedom as more authoritarian power lords over us, just remember that no one drowns simply by falling into the water. They die by staying underwater.

As this Chinese flu lock down goes into its third month, we are beginning to come to the realization that it is not as severe a problem as first envisioned. In fact, the reasons for the initial stay-at-home orders have passed. Originally the disruption of our freedoms was to slow the pandemic so hospitals were not overrun, like in Italy. We are beyond that point now. In fact, any stay-at-home orders are in direct contravention to the rights guaranteed
us in the Constitution.

"CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE PEACEABLY, AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES"

Those first words in our Bill of Rights, are rights that are endowed to us by our creator.
So, why are churches and synagogues doors shut yet Mosques are free to operate?
Another shining example, Michigan... why are liquor and marijuana stores remaining open, yet, gardening stores are unable to sell any products? Why is the ability to buy seeds and grow our own food prohibited?
How does a marijuana distributor protect us from the China flu, while the sale of squash seeds does not?
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squatting dog said:
If you can't grasp this, then all hope is lost. :cry:

It is time to reassert our Constitutional rights before they are forever lost.
While we may now find ourselves in a flood of decreasing freedom as more authoritarian power lords over us, just remember that no one drowns simply by falling into the water. They die by staying underwater.

As this Chinese flu lock down goes into its third month, we are beginning to come to the realization that it is not as severe a problem as first envisioned. In fact, the reasons for the initial stay-at-home orders have passed. Originally the disruption of our freedoms was to slow the pandemic so hospitals were not overrun, like in Italy. We are beyond that point now. In fact, any stay-at-home orders are in direct contravention to the rights guaranteed
us in the Constitution.

"CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE PEACEABLY, AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES"

Those first words in our Bill of Rights, are rights that are endowed to us by our creator.
So, why are churches and synagogues doors shut yet Mosques are free to operate?
Another shining example, Michigan... why are liquor and marijuana stores remaining open, yet, gardening stores are unable to sell any products? Why is the ability to buy seeds and grow our own food prohibited?
How does a marijuana distributor protect us from the China flu, while the sale of squash seeds does not?
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Mosques are/were permitted to be open ?
 
I have always tried to see the perspective from both sides of the fence. You cant blindly be against something just because....
The current Covid situation is something to be concerned about, for sure...
Its so evident that FEAR is being used on both sides of the fence and causing a greater split in among the people of our great nation...
We together will get through this... PLEASE... accept the fact that people will die... Hell we all will...
Its your choice to die fighting for a life, or hiding and waiting for someone to bring it to find you..
Approach life with caution and common sense..... And do the best to enjoy this time you have.
 
Sunny said:
Squatting Dog, what Constitutional rights are you being deprived of?
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Because I happen to be in a free state where common sense applies, I've been fortunate. However, I guess you're ok with others not having the right to peacefully assemble or go to a church of their choice, (including sitting in your own car listening to a sermon on the radio).
 
squatting dog said:
Because I happen to be in a free state where common sense applies, I've been fortunate. However, I guess you're ok with others not having the right to peacefully assemble or go to a church of their choice, (including sitting in your own car listening to a sermon on the radio).
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What state are you in? Mosques are closed here as well as churches and temples. What's to prevent anyone from sitting in their car and listening to a service on the radio? Whatever that law is, it hasn't reached my state and I hope it never does. I still need my car almost daily.

Peace - Chic.
 
My area has been "back-open" for a week or more from what i see....I counted four restaurants with cars in their parking lot the other day, and the chiropractors parking lot had several in it as well.
 
Google has just told me that there are 7.8 Billion people on this planet. People die everyday. Some die from old age, others die from lack of food. Then there are gun violence, traffic accidents, suicide, etc. etc. This is not the 1st pandamic disease & it certainly wouldn't be the last.

However, because of the Internet & because the young generation has never faced a war, it has become a media circus on the internet. According to a local radio news this morning, family violence is up 400% in some areas. It made no sense to hoard all that toilet paper. Most wouldn't agree with me, but to shut the planet down was an excessive extreme. If we don't get back on track & get back to work, most countries will go bankrupt.

Maybe Donald Trump has the right idea when it comes to getting American back working. After all, he knows money. It's amazing how the world wide web is used to scare the Bjesus out of the ordinary person, forcing them out of work & telling them that sitting at home & watching 12 hours of Netflax each day is good for you; after all, "WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER". Now, I personally think that ole' cowboy philosopher from Oklahoma, Will Rogers, had it pretty right when he said, "If Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?"
 
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Truncated version of something a friend posted on fb:

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it’s dangerous, but allows personal lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.​
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When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make-up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.​
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When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about your health!​
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When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!​
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When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.​
 
AnnieA said:
Truncated version of something a friend posted on fb:

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it’s dangerous, but allows personal lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.​
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When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make-up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.​
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When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about your health!​
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When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!​
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When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.​
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Some questions:

What state has prevented residents from purchasing cucumber seeds?
What governor is having his hair and makeup (professionally) done 5 days a week?
What state jailed someone for taking a walk in a park?
Chiropractic & massage therapy cannot be managed without considerable personal contact, unlike the purchase of groceries (including liquor).
What state is (newly) demanding mail in voting?

Just wondering,.
 
Squatting Dog, since you want to hear from the people of Maryland, here's a response from one Maryland person. I looked up this over-the-top item, since, other than what you posted, I heard and saw nothing about this. (And even if it's true, what's wrong with the police shutting down a restaurant that is violating the law?) The masthead on your "news article" says it's published by a group called Gateway Pundit, which says, "We report the truth, and leave the Russia-collusion fairy tale to the conspiracy media." Sounds an awful lot like a quote from, er, ...

Anyway, I googled this group, and here's what Wikipedia has to say about them:

The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right[3][4] news and opinion website. It was founded prior to the 2004 United States presidential election,[5] according to its founder, Jim Hoft, to "speak the truth" and to "expose the wickedness of the left."[6] In 2016, it provided favorable coverage of Donald Trump's presidential campaign and, after Trump's election, was granted press credentials by the White House.[7] The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes.[8]
 
StarSong said:
Some questions:

What state has prevented residents from purchasing cucumber seeds?
What governor is having his hair and makeup (professionally) done 5 days a week?
What state jailed someone for taking a walk in a park?
Chiropractic & massage therapy cannot be managed without considerable personal contact, unlike the purchase of groceries (including liquor).
What state is (newly) demanding mail in voting?

Just wondering,.
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Michigan governor banned sales of gardening supplies but didn't prohibit lottery ticket sales.
Any governor you see doing a TV press conference.
Several I've read about including parents with children present.
Not sure about chiropractic.
Have seen/heard discussion here and there re mail in voting.

Out of the 50 states there's been some stupid stuff. Michigan has been the most ridiculous in banning the sale of gardening supplies and initially not allowing lawn mowing services ...think they've straightened some of that out.

Edit: Found a Forbes article from today that Michigan governor clarified gardening issues this past Friday.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksi...rden-centers-greenhouses-reopen/#417ccd9458f3
 
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C'est Moi said:
I am fine with a "recommendation" to self-isolate. I have not left my house/yard in nearly 2 months. I am NOT OK with a police state. I will never willingly let go of any of my Constitutional rights, and I hope other people feel the same.
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I strongly agree.

IMO if we were heading into a police state or if the government was intentionally trying to take away my rights we would not see so many people working so feverishly on a timeline to safely reopen/reimagine the country and get people back to work.

So far I'm more than ok with what has been asked of me.

IMO the current situation is not much different than the governor declaring a state of emergency that closes the roads and prohibits travel when we have a winter storm or when he closes the beaches due to toxic algae, etc...

IMO much of the current talk of rights is more about anarchy than democracy.
 
Sunny said:
Squatting Dog, since you want to hear from the people of Maryland, here's a response from one Maryland person. I looked up this over-the-top item, since, other than what you posted, I heard and saw nothing about this. (And even if it's true, what's wrong with the police shutting down a restaurant that is violating the law?) The masthead on your "news article" says it's published by a group called Gateway Pundit, which says, "We report the truth, and leave the Russia-collusion fairy tale to the conspiracy media." Sounds an awful lot like a quote from, er, ...

Anyway, I googled this group, and here's what Wikipedia has to say about them:

The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right[3][4] news and opinion website. It was founded prior to the 2004 United States presidential election,[5] according to its founder, Jim Hoft, to "speak the truth" and to "expose the wickedness of the left."[6] In 2016, it provided favorable coverage of Donald Trump's presidential campaign and, after Trump's election, was granted press credentials by the White House.[7] The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes.[8]
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So, that automatically designates this site to the trash bin, regardless of whether or not it's true right? And please, Wikipedia?? that's your go to source? Well, here's a shining example of Wikipedia at it's finest.

Black pride is a movement in response to dominant white cultures and ideologies that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage.[1] In the United States, it was a direct response to white racism especially during the Civil Rights Movement.[2] Related movements include black power,[2] black nationalism,[2] Black Panthers and Afrocentrism.

Gay pride or LGBT pride is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people as a social group. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements. Pride has lent its name to LGBT-themed organizations, institutes, foundations, book titles, periodicals, a cable TV station, and the Pride Library.

Asian Pride is a broad term that can cover several topics. Within the international relations context, Asian pride can be seen within Asian politics as advancement of Pan-Asianismthrough heavy criticism of the West.[2][3]

White pride, or white power, is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacistorganizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints.[2][3] It is also a slogan used by the prominent post-Ku Klux Klan group Stormfront and a term used to make racist/racialist viewpoints more palatable to the general public who may associate historical abuses with the terms white nationalist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I strongly agree.

IMO if we were heading into a police state or if the government was intentionally trying to take away my rights we would not see so many people working so feverishly on a timeline to safely reopen/reimagine the country and get people back to work.

So far I'm more than ok with what has been asked of me.

IMO the current situation is not much different than the governor declaring a state of emergency that closes the roads and prohibits travel when we have a winter storm or when he closes the beaches due to toxic algae, etc...

IMO much of the current talk of rights is more about anarchy than democracy.
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Agree for the most part. However, the people of Michigan have had a pretty legitimate beef with their looney tunes leader. The gardening thing is creepy in a time that people are worried about food. Especially to prohibit purchase of supplies at this time of year.
 
AnnieA said:
Michigan governor banned sales of gardening supplies but didn't prohibit lottery ticket sales.
Any governor you see doing a TV press conference.
Several I've read about including parents with children present.
Not sure about chiropractic.
Have seen/heard discussion here and there re mail in voting.

Out of the 50 states there's been some stupid stuff. Michigan has been the most ridiculous in banning the sale of gardening supplies and initially not allowing lawn mowing services ...think they've straightened some of that out.

Edit: Found a Forbes article from today that Michigan governor clarified gardening issues this past Friday.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksi...rden-centers-greenhouses-reopen/#417ccd9458f3
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Michigan governor did not ban the sale of seeds. https://www.politifact.com/factchec...order-doesnt-ban-gardening-or-sale-seeds-and/

Simply because people look good on camera doesn't mean a professional did their hair and makeup.

I haven't heard of anyone being placed in a jail cell for being in a park with their child, nor can I find anything on the internet describing that.

Ohio has been discussing mail in voting for their primary, but there's been no movement anywhere that I can see about requiring mail in voting. At least 5 states have already gone to exclusively postal voting. The vast majority of others offer it as an option, and have for quite some time.

My point isn't to call anyone out on this, but rather to illustrate how often Facebook posts have very little supporting evidence.
 
AnnieA said:
Agree for the most part. However, the people of Michigan have had a pretty legitimate beef with their looney tunes leader. The gardening thing is creepy in a time that people are worried about food. Especially to prohibit purchase of supplies at this time of year.
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I'm not familiar with Michigan but in New York where I live, the governor's order considers horticultural businesses that deal in decorative or ornamental plants as nonessential and businesses that deal in agricultural products including plants and seeds for fruits and vegetables as essential businesses.

The order has gotten a little tricky and has been amended on the fly to include lawn care vs landscaping and a few other things that impact businesses that offer a combination of services.

We'll get there.
 


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