National guard troops to the border

Traveler said:
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When people break the law, they go to jail and perhaps even prison. Government approved and implemented, forced internment. Or don't you think people should go to jail when they brake the law ?

And, the word is internment not interment.
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Like the American born Japanese in WW2? Canada did the same to ours. Black mark on both our histories. Just like when our countries sent back boatloads of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. The law is not sacrosanct. Morality supercedes bad law.
 
Traveler said:
Counterpoint is one thing, comparing Auschwitz to America is just plain hysteria. I believe in the law. If you don't, then I must just shake my head in disbelief and wonder what you are thinking.
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I believe in justice. Slavery and segregation were once laws, very bad laws. Completely immoral. Sometimes, to quote Shakespeare, “the law is an ass.”
 
MORE GOOD NEWS

TEXAS AND ARIZONA HAVE PROMISED TO SEND NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS TO THE BORDER BEGINNING NEXT WEEK.

The Kool-Ade drinkers of Oregon and California, are not likely to do so.
 
Shalimar said:
I believe in justice. Slavery and segregation were once laws, very bad laws. Completely immoral. Sometimes, to quote Shakespeare, “the law is an ass.”
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Yes, I agree that slavery and segregation were bad laws and needed to be abolished.

Now, kindly explain to me what that has to do with attempting to secure our borders ?
 
Shalimar said:
I suggest you read my comments regarding internment, this convo has become circular. Pax.
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I HAVE read your comments re: internment, and they made me sick to my stomach.

Internment is merely another word for jail. When people are placed in jail (or internment if you prefer) when they have NOT broken the law, that is immoral. However, when they HAVE broken the law then it is not only moral, it is simple justice. And please don't bother to tell me that everyone in the world has an absolute RIGHT to enter another country without a visa.

If I moved to Mexico without a visa, they'd put my a*s in jail. Oh no ! Involuntary internment ! Oh, dear. What is the world coming to ?

What you, and a few others have been saying is that millions upon millions of people have an absolute right to illegally enter another country, and then give the finger to that country. By what stretch of the imagination do you believe such balderdash ?
 
Traveler said:
Yes, I agree that slavery and segregation were bad laws and needed to be abolished.

Now, kindly explain to me what that has to do with attempting to secure our borders ?
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Because all it is, and all it has ever been, are ongoing attempts to 'whiteify' this country.

Shalimar mentioned the camps during WW II- long ago, I asked members of that generation why it was the Japanese-Americans specifically, as the U.S. was at war with other countries, too. I was told it was because Japan had directly attacked the U.S., and I've also read the excuse of 'national security.' However- numerous sources state approx. half of these people were children. I'd venture a guess: it's easier to recognize an Asian person as Asian, than to recognize a German as German or an Italian as Italian.

Second, one source states there are approx. 100,000 Canadians living in this country illegally. I don't see anyone pushing for a wall on the Canadian border. The majority of Canadians are Caucasian, native-English speakers, well-educated, and if there are any radical differences in 'cultures' I didn't notice it when I was there.

Eliminating drug pipelines is important and necessary. However, as someone who lived in both California and Texas, drug 'mules' account for only the tiniest percentage of so-called illegal immigrants. Point: hold individuals accountable for illegal behaviors- not bash an entire group because of their skin color and native language.
 
JaniceM, as you area new-comer to this thread, I'll take the time and a great deal of patience to explain to you that there are an estimated 9-11 million illegal Mexicans living in this country. That is exactly 100 times the number of illegal Canadians (if I use 10 million as an average).

It does you no good to attempt to insert race in the equation. The concept of race you bring up is, at best, disingenuous. And at worst an obvious attempt to inflame the Kool-ade drinkers. If there were only 100 K illegal Mexicans living in the U.S. no one would care. certainly I would not.

How many illegal Canadians were caught last month ? 4, 6 or even 20 ? Last month 37,393 illegal Mexicans were caught attempting to make it into the cities where they could "vanish". I suspect that even you could understand that is a phenomenal difference.

Now, I ask you, how many of those Canadians you speak of are a drain on the public treasury ? How many of them belong to super-violent gangs ? How many of them routinely commit home invasions ? How many are carjackers ? How many of them rape and murder ? How many of them kidnap 14 year old Canadian girls and sell them as sex slaves ? I'll tell you, Damn few, if any.

It never fails to amaze me how many Americans just don't care about the law and actively attempt to deny reality.

I speak thus because you have labeled me a racist.
 
Warrigal said:
Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are condemned to relive it.

The Roman Republic was replaced with a dictator (the first time the word was used) and after he was assassinated the door was open for the rise of the emperors.

Ancient or not, history should never be ignored.
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Are you and Australia volunteering to accept all 9-11 million of Americas illegal aliens ?
 
JaniceM said:
Because all it is, and all it has ever been, are ongoing attempts to 'whiteify' this country.
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Shalimar mentioned the camps during WW II- long ago, I asked members of that generation why it was the Japanese-Americans specifically, as the U.S. was at war with other countries, too. I was told it was because Japan had directly attacked the U.S., and I've also read the excuse of 'national security.' However- numerous sources state approx. half of these people were children. I'd venture a guess: it's easier to recognize an Asian person as Asian, than to recognize a German as German or an Italian as Italian.
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Do you know how many Germans were held in internment camps during WW2 ? No, of course you don't. Why don't you know ? I tell you why. Because it does neatly fit in with your theory of racism. The number was 11,507. Were they held because of race ? No, of course not.
 
I now with draw from this thread. My goal has been achieved. I got people to think about matters of national importance and perhaps learn something.

I wish to thank all those who sent PM's in support but did not post because of fear of personal attack. Please remember, do not be afraid to speak out, in fear of personal attack. That is exactly what the opposition wants, to fill you with fear, to keep you intimidated and silent.
 
Traveler said:
Any comparison between America and the Nazi German death camps is pure hysteria. And sinks below the level of reason. I am aware that there are many America haters both here and abroad but that is disgusting.

The ONLY thing America is doing is trying to stop ILLEGAL ALIENS from flooding our country.
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People that cannot see that difference are beyond help and no amount of facts will change their minds.
 
C'est Moi said:
OK, I have to say that that is ridiculous. America is the "home of the free," which definitely includes wearing the clothing of your choice. As long as people's private parts aren't on display I couldn't care less what type of clothing they are wearing. Good grief.
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But, just like “Freedom Of Speech”, which some say we can speak any way we want to, to anybody (which is obviously BS), if a person doesn’t want to look like an American or speak the language...... they can go back to their own country! IMO

BTW, just what does “Good Grief” mean? Only kidding.
 
Traveler said:
I now with draw from this thread. My goal has been achieved. I got people to think about matters of national importance and perhaps learn something.

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End of discussion?
Really?
Permit me to pick up what’s left of the clean end of the baton for a bit

Drug trafficking from Mexico into the US
I believe that was a major part of the original platform of this thread

Seems every supply exists only when there’s a demand
Supply; Mexico, or thru Mexico
Demand: Legal US citizens
Yes, we are the market

How to solve?
Stop Mexican refugees from escaping into America by criminalizing them
And for Gawdsake do not look within our pristine society
Heaven sakes no
Nobody here buying all these drugs
It’s prolly those Mexican refugees and all their bad habits..oh, and money they don’t have

I so love to see my tax dollar put to good use

Yes, sarcasm (for those buying in to the original load of crap)
 
The Best way to reduce illegal immigration, IMO, is to remove the incentives for the illegals to come here. The FIRST thing that should be done is to levy heavy fines against any employers who Hire these illegals. If the jobs dry up, the majority of these illegals will not find any financial reason for coming here. Second, there should be NO social benefits offered to anyone here illegally....food, health care, etc. If they try to get such benefits, they should be given immediate needs, then deported ASAP. The laws should be rewritten so as to Remove the Anchor Baby measures...illegals coming here to have a child, so they can claim a right to be here is an open invitation that needs to be closed. Illegals that commit crimes should not be deported...rather they should be thrown in a jail environment similar to that which the Arizona sheriff, Joe Arpaio ran for years....And, those who are found to be here after having been deported, multiple times, should be thrown in the same jail.

As for our own people who are drug addicts, and create the massive drug traffic problems, those people should be thrown into a special prison for addicts, and left to suffer the withdrawal symptoms with NO special treatment. If they have to suffer days or weeks of misery while going through withdrawal, perhaps their feeble brains will begin to realize that using drugs is Not in their best interest.
 
Traveler said:
Agreed. We have plenty of America haters right here in our own country and they don't care one bit about what is best for this country. What is best ? Obeying the law is best!

Hey, JB, have you ever wondered why some of these posters openly support illegal activity ?
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Another not so subtle attempt at baiting. I am not surprised.
 
With the exception of the "non-Americans" who commented in this thread, we have a microcosm of what's wrong with the USA today. Divided, we fall.

We are being invaded and people are fine with it.

And one more observation for you of other nations. If I were to cross YOUR BORDER illegally, you can bet your behind I'd be "interned" in your country. Think about it.
 

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