Newsweek reports United States is the 2nd most hated country in the world

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January said:
Nobody has a hatred of the US - but gosh, some american posters get very defensive about any criticism or any suggestion that everyone else doesn't see US as the best place i n the world 😵‍💫 🙄

strange response from people who don't care. :unsure:
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Speaking for myself only, since I used the term "I don't care", my initial response targeted the OP, who presents himself as an American.

As for the Aussies, Brits, and Canadians who want to badmouth my country (call it "criticize" if you must), I don't care. You don't live where I do and you're not one of my countrymen. Think what you like. It doesn't matter.

As for my countrymen who want to badmouth the USA, sure -- they're entitled to their speech and their opinion. But I will most definitely have a comment or two in rebuttal.
 
Warrigal said:
I hope I haven't offended you in this manner. I try to speak respectfully but maybe come across as judgmental. Sorry if I have, it is not my intention.
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Actually the "maths is crappy" did irritate me, but I am glad you acknowledged the possibility.

Now for a long discussion of my thoughts. Yes the U.S. is going to hell. The debt will become unsustainable, the dollar will collapse as the Treasury actually prints real greenbacks, leading to inflation and a world seeing their $27T in U.S. equities, treasuries and plain old real estate evaporate. That flight to safety of the US dollar will be in the rear view mirror.

My expectations of this timeline taking place is now within the window of 10 years. Whatever you might think of Trump and tariffs, I consider it a last ditch attempt to push that 10 year date further off. It will likely fail.

What will be left, is a United States deeply divided, heavily armed and looking for blood.

Say what you will, but while you and others are criticizing the U.S., you might want to consider what happens when the U.S. is no longer that big bully. Who will the big bully be then? Also, you might want to hurry up on whatever plan you think you might have.
 
Eupher said:
Speaking for myself only, since I used the term "I don't care", my initial response targeted the OP, who presents himself as an American.

As for the Aussies, Brits, and Canadians who want to badmouth my country (call it "criticize" if you must), I don't care. You don't live where I do and you're not one of my countrymen. Think what you like. It doesn't matter.

As for my countrymen who want to badmouth the USA, sure -- they're entitled to their speech and their opinion. But I will most definitely have a comment or two in rebuttal.
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If other Citizens do not agree with administrations , policies , anything they have every right to say so .

I do not call that bad mouthing but more like opinions , ideas .

I was a Hippie after Nam granted different times and I was one for the ying yang , lol but they had a good point .
 
Paco Dennis said:
" a major cause of the animosity directed toward the US is the country's tendency to overstep when trying to influence international events in a way that benefits the U.S.," the World Population Review says.
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There is a much more important reason for the "animosity" and it is partly due to calling it "negative public perceptions", treating it as though it is unjustified.
 
Harry Le Hermit said:
Actually the "maths is crappy" did irritate me, but I am glad you acknowledged the possibility.

Now for a long discussion of my thoughts. Yes the U.S. is going to hell. The debt will become unsustainable, the dollar will collapse as the Treasury actually prints real greenbacks, leading to inflation and a world seeing their $27T in U.S. equities, treasuries and plain old real estate evaporate. That flight to safety of the US dollar will be in the rear view mirror.

My expectations of this timeline taking place is now within the window of 10 years. Whatever you might think of Trump and tariffs, I consider it a last ditch attempt to push that 10 year date further off. It will likely fail.

What will be left, is a United States deeply divided, heavily armed and looking for blood.

Say what you will, but while you and others are criticizing the U.S., you might want to consider what happens when the U.S. is no longer that big bully. Who will the big bully be then? Also, you might want to hurry up on whatever plan you think you might have.
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I'm not allowed to discuss politics, but we've been dancing around this issue for much of the thread. So here goes. Ban me if you must, Mr. Administrator.

While I have little faith in the US federal government, I'm not quite as pessimistic as you seem to be. The key factor is the makeup of Congress, not so much the presidency. More specifically, the outcome of the 2026 mid-terms will be very, very telling.

But we're still a long, long way from another civil war. The legacy media has lost much of its influence, though it is still powerful enough to continue its common practice of creating its own narrative, contrary from the truth.

If (and it's a big "if"), Congress can somehow get its head out of its own a@@ in 2026 and beyond, there's a chance that much of the crap can be turned around. Most of Congress is worried about only one thing, however -- being reelected. And that's what really scares me.
 
Paco Dennis said:
For a couple decades I have perceived the world as increasingly disliking the US. The article says "

" a major cause of the animosity directed toward the US is the country's tendency to overstep when trying to influence international events in a way that benefits the U.S.," the World Population Review says.

"While this country's appearance on the 'most hated' list may surprise many Americans, few Asians or Europeans will bat an eyelash," it added.

Map shows world's most hated countries
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No surprise here.
 
Eupher said:
I'm not allowed to discuss politics, but we've been dancing around this issue for much of the thread. So here goes. Ban me if you must, Mr. Administrator.

While I have little faith in the US federal government, I'm not quite as pessimistic as you seem to be. The key factor is the makeup of Congress, not so much the presidency. More specifically, the outcome of the 2026 mid-terms will be very, very telling.

But we're still a long, long way from another civil war. The legacy media has lost much of its influence, though it is still powerful enough to continue its common practice of creating its own narrative, contrary from the truth.

If (and it's a big "if"), Congress can somehow get its head out of its own a@@ in 2026 and beyond, there's a chance that much of the crap can be turned around. Most of Congress is worried about only one thing, however -- being reelected. And that's what really scares me.
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I think you may have misunderstood. The country will become united again, just as it always has... in time of war. We may not start it, but our leaders will be itching to get involved, just like previous world wars. It's good for business and what is good for business is good for the economy and what is good for the economy... is good for the people. At least the survivors!
 
Eupher said:
I'm not allowed to discuss politics, but we've been dancing around this issue for much of the thread. So here goes. Ban me if you must, Mr. Administrator.

While I have little faith in the US federal government, I'm not quite as pessimistic as you seem to be. The key factor is the makeup of Congress, not so much the presidency. More specifically, the outcome of the 2026 mid-terms will be very, very telling.

But we're still a long, long way from another civil war. The legacy media has lost much of its influence, though it is still powerful enough to continue its common practice of creating its own narrative, contrary from the truth.

If (and it's a big "if"), Congress can somehow get its head out of its own a@@ in 2026 and beyond, there's a chance that much of the crap can be turned around. Most of Congress is worried about only one thing, however -- being reelected. And that's what really scares me.
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I kid you not as I had political ambition and with no morals or ethics I would have been perfect but sadly my mouth gets in my way .
 
Harry Le Hermit said:
I think you may have misunderstood. The country will become united again, just as it always has... in time of war. We may not start it, but our leaders will be itching to get involved, just like previous world wars. It's good for business and what is good for business is good for the economy and what is good for the economy... is good for the people. At least the survivors!
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As you know the internet / social media fuels rage and this is everywhere which allows it .
 
NotCompSavy said:
As you know the internet / social media fuels rage and this is everywhere which allows it .
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I agree, as it has created some deep divisions, but I also think that most Americans instinctively realize we are in serious trouble. Most don't grasp where the real problem is coming from. The division amongst is a masterclass in sleight of hand, perpetrated by our illustrious elite, via the media.

It is a house of cards... in real life!
 
Harry Le Hermit said:
I think you may have misunderstood. The country will become united again, just as it always has... in time of war. We may not start it, but our leaders will be itching to get involved, just like previous world wars. It's good for business and what is good for business is good for the economy and what is good for the economy... is good for the people. At least the survivors!
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Acknowledged and I appreciate your POV. Yes, the country historically has united behind the president and the government during a declared war -- but we've not really seen that since WWII. And even then, there were lots of detractors.

Still, I well remember what came out of 9/11 -- powerful stuff, that many Americans forgot over time.

Absolutely on point about wars being "good for business". One of the neocons' primary goals back in the day and a quality that Eisenhower warned us against in 1959.

All that said, and yes it can be construed that I'm "criticizing" my own country, but things do even out over time. I'm still grateful that I'm an American and I take pride in that statement.
 
Oh dear, what have I stumbled back into, page 10 & 11. I’ve not visited this thread for a day or two, and it seems that the North Atlantic Rift strikes again, with interpretations made in bad faith – classic. Perhaps even potentially venturing into mod-bait territory. Or even reporting to mod territory if we are not careful? Sometimes it’s good practice to leave a thread for a while and come back with a clearer mind. So what do I see?

I see statistics potentially as weapons; the comparison card being played – we all do it; all out defensiveness; incendiary comments; full on us vs them; not addressing a factual point; concern misinterpreted as hatred; deflection and projection; deliberate twisting? Talk about sensitivity -- I sometimes think I’m in a forum for teenagers as opposed to seniors.

Lets not get pulled in into the ugly side of threads. Someone mentioned that my post #34 is “pretty colourful…” So with relatively recent phrases in mind, "Lets Make This Thread Pretty Again!" This type of phrasing has become international, so much so that at work I've put up a sign with a face on it of a businessman / politician, with words under it that read, “Lets Make This Kitchen Clean Again!”, because people leave it messy. But that’s just my sense of humour I suppose. In an environment where some seem to be recovering from a sense of humour bypass operation.

Here is an image that I think we can all appreciate. It’s the Jelly St… ?? I mean the Yellowstone National Park. It’s prettier than your average park, as Yogi might say? Lets take a few moments out of reading this thread, and view this magnificent scenery. Oh the serenity:


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At first I thought of posting a photo of a geyser blowing off within the national park. But then I thought best not, as it might send the wrong message.

“Lets reset this thread again” less geyser, more glacier. Cool and steady type of thing?
 
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oslooskar said:
You’re comparing two very different animals. Australia doesn’t have a minority population like the United States does that commits over half of all homicides while making up only about 13% of the population. Nor does Australia share a 2,000-mile border with a violent, cartel-plagued third-world nation like Mexico, where drug trafficking, human smuggling, and gang violence routinely spill across the border. So yes, the challenges are different and pretending they're equivalent doesn’t help anyone understand the depth of the issues the USA faces. So don’t pat yourselves on the back and act all sanctimonious because it’s not a level playing field, and you know it.
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You are right in some of your points but how do you explain mass casualties at elementary schools, stores, and concerts? Those were not the result of the 13% of the population you refer to. Most of the murderers were just disturbed White people.

Also, how do you explain this?

What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders? What share are suicides?​

A pie chart showing that suicides accounted for nearly 6 in 10 U.S. gun deaths in 2023.
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2023, 58% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (27,300), while 38% were murders (17,927). The remaining gun deaths that year involved law enforcement (604), were accidental (463) or had undetermined circumstances (434), according to CDC data.
 
Eupher said:
Acknowledged and I appreciate your POV. Yes, the country historically has united behind the president and the government during a declared war -- but we've not really seen that since WWII. And even then, there were lots of detractors.

Still, I well remember what came out of 9/11 -- powerful stuff, that many Americans forgot over time.

Absolutely on point about wars being "good for business". One of the neocons' primary goals back in the day and a quality that Eisenhower warned us against in 1959.

All that said, and yes it can be construed that I'm "criticizing" my own country, but things do even out over time. I'm still grateful that I'm an American and I take pride in that statement.
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I hope I can say this without being political but one would be well-served to visit the George W Bush Library in Dallas. I wasn't a fan, but I recently visited and the filmed footage of people uniting during 9/11 brought tears to my eyes. If only we could find our way back to that without a "common enemy".
 
Magna-Carta said:
Oh dear, what have I stumbled back into, page 10 & 11. I’ve not visited this thread for a day or two, and it seems that the North Atlantic Rift strikes again, with interpretations made in bad faith – classic. Perhaps even potentially venturing into mod-bait territory. Or even reporting to mod territory if we are not careful? Sometimes it’s good practice to leave a thread for a while and come back with a clearer mind. So what do I see?

I see statistics potentially as weapons; the comparison card being played – we all do it; all out defensiveness; incendiary comments; full on us vs them; not addressing a factual point; concern misinterpreted as hatred; deflection and projection; deliberate twisting? Talk about sensitivity -- I sometimes I think I’m in a forum for teenagers as opposed to seniors.

Lets not get pulled in into the ugly side of threads. Someone mentioned that my post #34 is “pretty colourful…” So with relatively recent phrases in mind, "Lets Make This Thread Pretty Again!" This type of phrasing has become international, so much so that at work I've put up a sign with a face on it of a businessman / politician, with words under it that read, “Lets Make This Kitchen Clean Again!”, because people leave it messy. But that’s just my sense of humour I suppose. In an environment where some seem to be recovering from a sense of humour bypass operation.

Here is an image that I think we can all appreciate. It’s the Jelly St… ?? I mean Yellowstone National Park. It’s prettier than your average park, as Yogi might say? Lets take a few moments and view this magnificent scenery. Oh the serenity:


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At first I thought of posting a photo of a geyser blowing off within the national park. But then I thought best not, as it might send the wrong message.

“Lets reset this thread again” less geyser, more glacier. Cool and steady type of thing?
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We camped there on our honeymoon in 1976, very nice experience. A few years later we spent time in beautiful Banff National Park in Canada. 💙

Lake-Moraine-in-Banff-Canada-1.jpg
 
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