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The next maniac now knows how to take out dozens of human beings in ten minutes and, thanks to the media, also knows what to buy to make it a successful attack.

And the necessary equipment is apparently flying off the shelves.

Las Vegas shooting: Bump stocks, used by shooter Stephen Paddock, are selling out in American gun stores

Updated 19 minutes ago
Thu 5 Oct 2017, 11:29pm


For more than a year, the Georgia Gun Store in Gainesville had no requests for a bump stock — an accessory that transforms a semi-automatic rifle into a weapon capable of firing hundreds of rounds a minute.

But following Sunday's mass shooting in Las Vegas, the shop fielded several calls from customers asking about the product.

The store's owner, Kellie Weeks, said several distributors were out of stock when she called them seeking supplies.

"Anybody that wants to get them is probably just worried that they're going to be banned," Ms Weeks said.

Authorities say the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had 12 rifles outfitted with bump stocks among the arsenal of weapons in his hotel room, and audio of the attack suggested he used weapons with rapid-fire capabilities.

"They do sell a little bit, but it's very minimal," said CJ Calesa, an employee at Birmingham Pistol Wholesale in Trustville, Alabama. "We usually sell 10 or so a year."

What is a bump stock?

A bump stock basically replaces a gun's shoulder rest with a "support step" that covers the trigger opening.

By holding the pistol grip with one hand and pushing forward on the barrel with the other, the shooter's finger comes in contact with the trigger.

The recoil causes the gun to buck back and forth, "bumping" the trigger and firing rounds much faster than if the shooter were to manually pull the trigger each time.

The stock effectively turns a semi-automatic weapon into a fully automatic one that can unleash continuous rounds until the magazines are empty with a single trigger pull.

Calesa said the store began receiving calls from customers about bump stocks on Tuesday. Slide Fire, a leading bump stock manufacturer, has sold out.

Customers can sign up to be notified when more bump stocks become available.

"We have decided to temporarily suspend taking new orders in order to provide the best service with those already placed," the website reads.

On Wednesday, comments on the Facebook page for Slide Fire were split between critics who blamed the company for the massacre and customers who said they planned to buy more bump stocks. Several other online retailers also list the item as being out of stock.

Stocks in companies that make guns also rose sharply on news of the Las Vegas shooting

More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-05/man-shooting-ar15-with-bump-stock/9020714
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I feel very cynical right now because it occurs to me that this article is pointing to a future investment opportunity. Instead of buying guns right now, smart investors should just buy shares in gun manufacturers and hold them until the next well publicised massacre. Then sell as they rise in value.
 

Warrigal said:
The next maniac now knows how to take out dozens of human beings in ten minutes and, thanks to the media, also knows what to buy to make it a successful attack.And the necessary equipment is apparently flying off the shelves.I feel very cynical right now because it occurs to me that this article is pointing to a future investment opportunity. Instead of buying guns right now, smart investors should just buy shares in gun manufacturers and hold them until the next well publicised massacre. Then sell as they rise in value.
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The "gun manufacturers" stocks have already risen substantially in the past couple of days. As soon as some tragedy like Las Vegas happens, and the reports hit the news, investors jump into gun investments...figuring that the politicians will start trying to pass gun controls. Then, there is that segment of the population that immediately head for a gun store and buys up everything they can afford...again, thinking that gun controls will be implemented. It's all a senseless cycle, and seldom is anything done. Perhaps, in this case, these Bump Stocks may be outlawed, but that will only affect a very small fraction of 1% of the gun buying and manufacturing. However, the "fear factor" will move the entire gun industry higher for several weeks.

The danger in this Las Vegas shooting is that it offers the fanatics and lunatics another avenue for committing mayhem. Factions like ISIS are probably looking at this tragedy as a "learning" experience, and a means of conducting similar attacks in the future. I don't know how many of these Bump Stocks have been made/sold since they became legal, but you can bet that there will be a thriving underground market for them in the future. Even if they are outlawed here, you can bet that unscrupulous manufacturers in other nations will pick up the slack....Even North Korea may see this as an "opportunity".
 
Great investment advise! I'll call my broker later today.

Thanks!
Hoot the Poodle
 

Americans have been obsessed with guns for as long as I can remember. In the 1940s when my little girl chums and I were playing with dolls, my boy cousins were running around the yard playing cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers - cap guns in hand, shooting anyone in sight. Soon Elliot Ness and the Lone Ranger were our heroes and Santa brought cowboy suits with holstered guns and BB guns and air rifles.

Getting your own rifle or shotgun and going hunting was a rite of passage for teens. Young males in my high school class thought it would be cool to play with real guns so they joined the Army Reserves. Many missed Senior Prom as they were away in boot camp getting ready to go fight in Korea.

Adult games like paint ball and skeet shooting further satisfied the need to point a weapon at something and see an explosion. Electronic games began as and continue to be based on the concept of aiming at someone or something and making it go poof. Gun battles and blowing things up are the key to a any successful action movie.

Gun violence is in our culture and has been for a long time. Maybe the formula for Las Vegas was to take an avid gun collector with a desire to make his mark on the world and then add in a touch of crazy. More of the same? Probably so.
 
I had never heard of a bump stock until reading about it in the paper. The same thought occurred to me: do we really need to educate more people about how to turn a gun into a mass killing machine?
 
Very often, after say, a chemical attack, or pipe bombing, some news outlets will choose not to disclose what chemicals were used, or what internet sites show how to build a bomb, etc, to pre vent others from looking into it. Maybe the same needs to be done here. Do we really need to know HOW he adapted his guns? Or what he used? Maybe I am being a bit naieve, but sometimes less info is better.
 
Warri, It's a sad state of affairs here. With the media making everything known others with the same intentions will want to copycat. I only hope God will make people care more about their fellow human beings.
 
Yep, some people are socking many of those away, so they can kill even more people later. A numbers game, who can shoot the most people in the least amount of time. As for me, I've avoided large concentrations of people as best I can just in case something happens ever since I realized that the numbers competition is a thing in this century.
 
Just heard on the news that the NRA is backing regulations for the bumpstocks . So, that may be good thing, as if the NRA supports it, others may be on board.
 
Marie5656 said:
Just heard on the news that the NRA is backing regulations for the bumpstocks . So, that may be good thing, as if the NRA supports it, others may be on board.
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A few years back there was a lot of nasty publicity about gun ownership and such. I don't think any measures were started other than ending FULL AUTOMATIC for civilian gun owners. Now how did those BumpStocks get approved over those other gun entitlements and restrictions. That happened before Trump got into leadership so it becomes someone else's cause or justification. I wonder why anyone would authorize such a special design approval after the hateful years of previous gun ownership debates and votes.
 
BobF said:
A few years back there was a lot of nasty publicity about gun ownership and such. I don't think any measures were started other than ending FULL AUTOMATIC for civilian gun owners. Now how did those BumpStocks get approved over those other gun entitlements and restrictions. That happened before Trump got into leadership so it becomes someone else's cause or justification. I wonder why anyone would authorize such a special design approval after the hateful years of previous gun ownership debates and votes.
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Fully automatic firearms have been tightly controlled since the middle 1930's. An individual can buy a "machine gun", but Only after going through an extensive background check, and paying a huge fee. For some reason, the ATF approved these Bump Stocks somewhere around 2010...during the Obama years, when there probably wasn't anyone in that administration that knew Anything about firearms.
 
Marie5656 said:
Just heard on the news that the NRA is backing regulations for the bumpstocks . So, that may be good thing, as if the NRA supports it, others may be on board.
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If public safety depends on the acquiescence of the NRA something is very wrong.
The people elect the government, not a lobby group for an industry.
IMO the inordinate power of the NRA needs to be curtailed, but how?
That is the question.
 
Warrigal said:
If public safety depends on the acquiescence of the NRA something is very wrong.
The people elect the government, not a lobby group for an industry.
IMO the inordinate power of the NRA needs to be curtailed, but how?
That is the question.
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Public safety does not depend on NRA, it is one item the NRA works on, and there is nothing wrong. The NRA is nothing but one of our gun ownership membership groups. It is definitely one very large group but certainly not the only one.

Their stance is just what it has been for many years, public safety and gun ownership safety. And trying to avoid politics at the same time.
 
Terror groups, lone wolfers and people are watching this closely. Especially how the TV media are playing the videos over and over and over. Giving more ideas to "how to kill in 10 minutes". We, the media, talk too much when sh*t happens. And all that talk about "bump stocks" is a bit much. They're probably all sold by now. Keep an open mind if you're a senior living with a partner. Look around.......one never know do one!
 
An individual can buy a "machine gun", but Only after going through an extensive background check, and paying a huge fee.
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Don, somehow that thought has stuck in my mind. I wonder what the background checks are meant to disclose? Can there ever be any justification for a private individual buying one of these mass killing weapons? I'd be curious how anyone would try to justify it. Gun owners like to use "defense of my home" as a reason for owning a gun. So, are owners of automatic weapons expecting a horde of armed killers to break into their house?

In any case, the damn things are out there, and any nut case who wants to get one can easily find it in the underground market. Anyone that determined to murder a lot of people is not going to bother with all the bureaucratic background checks, etc. And I bet the internet has made it a whole lot easier.
 
Sunny said:
Don, somehow that thought has stuck in my mind. I wonder what the background checks are meant to disclose? Can there ever be any justification for a private individual buying one of these mass killing weapons? I'd be curious how anyone would try to justify it. Gun owners like to use "defense of my home" as a reason for owning a gun. So, are owners of automatic weapons expecting a horde of armed killers to break into their house?

In any case, the damn things are out there, and any nut case who wants to get one can easily find it in the underground market. Anyone that determined to murder a lot of people is not going to bother with all the bureaucratic background checks, etc. And I bet the internet has made it a whole lot easier.
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Machine Guns, and fully automatic weapons were banned back in the 1930's...probably as a response to the Mafia Wars that occurred during the days of Prohibition. After that, the rules made it very hard for an individual to acquire a "Tommy Gun", etc. I don't know what the specifics requirements are, but there are very few permits issued for full automatic weapons....mostly given to die hard, honest, and wealthy individuals who might like the idea of pulling the machine gun trigger, and can afford the huge cost of the ammo they waste. Irregardless, I'm not aware of Any mass murders being committed by legal machine gun owners. I have Never seen such weapons advertised on the Internet, other than through legitimate gun seller sites...which all require going through the background checks...in person, at a legitimate gun dealers store. Even sites such as EBAY and CraigsList forbid such sales.

However, in 2010, all that changed with the ATF approval of these Bump Stocks. These devices allow a semi-auto "assault" style rifle to be easily and cheaply converted to perform as Full Auto. Some Stupid Bureaucrat, who probably has never handled a gun...during the Obama administration...decided to approve the manufacture and open sale of these devices. Las Vegas is the result...and with perhaps thousands of these devices now in the hands of individuals, it is just a question of time before we see a repeat of this tragedy. Even if Congress does something sensible...for a change...and outlaws these devices, the damage is done.
 
Returning to the title of this thread, I was reminded yesterday that Port Arthur, a day that is etched into the psyche of Australians who were alive in 1996 when a deranged young man went o a killing spree at a tourist location, occurred just one month after a similar event in Dunblane, Scotland, when gunman invaded a primary school in the small Scottish town of Dunblane and shot to death 16 young children and their teacher before turning a gun on himself.

I had not previously registered this connection. I am now even more convinced now that this is a dangerous time when some other crazy is digesting Paddock's actions with malicious intent. I hope I am wrong.
 
As for things like bump stocks - anyone who is going to go off will already know about them. They don't need any news stories to learn about them.
 
Sunny said:
Don, somehow that thought has stuck in my mind. I wonder what the background checks are meant to disclose? Can there ever be any justification for a private individual buying one of these mass killing weapons? I'd be curious how anyone would try to justify it. Gun owners like to use "defense of my home" as a reason for owning a gun. So, are owners of automatic weapons expecting a horde of armed killers to break into their house?

In any case, the damn things are out there, and any nut case who wants to get one can easily find it in the underground market. Anyone that determined to murder a lot of people is not going to bother with all the bureaucratic background checks, etc. And I bet the internet has made it a whole lot easier.
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If there is an argument for owning an automatic weapon, that's it.

Fully-auto weapons are flat illegal here. Semi-auto weapons are not easy to get here.
 
BobF said:
A few years back there was a lot of nasty publicity about gun ownership and such. I don't think any measures were started other than ending FULL AUTOMATIC for civilian gun owners. Now how did those BumpStocks get approved over those other gun entitlements and restrictions. That happened before Trump got into leadership so it becomes someone else's cause or justification. I wonder why anyone would authorize such a special design approval after the hateful years of previous gun ownership debates and votes.
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Bob when was the FULL AUTO ended, I am very familiar with the 1934 NFA act but not sure what you are mentioning, Just asking for info.
 
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