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Because I had enough to worry about at work in addition to remembering pronouns.But it seems to bother you. Why?
Because I had enough to worry about at work in addition to remembering pronouns.But it seems to bother you. Why?
Yeah, that must have been tough to respect people's gender preferences.Because I had enough to worry about at work in addition to remembering pronouns.
Nothing against anyone, the colleague with the they/them pronouns is a lovely person...but at 68 years old when I retired, (I was crabby by then) it was just one more thing on my plate at work.Because I had enough to worry about at work in addition to remembering pronouns.
I don't know the person you were quoting, but will speak for myself:That's rather intolerant, don't you think? If someone prefers to use the indentifier "they/them," why should that bother you?
Sounds to me like it was time for you retire, if such an insignificant thing bothered you.Nothing against anyone, the colleague with the they/them pronouns is a lovely person...but at 68 years old when I retired, (I was crabby by then) it was just one more thing on my plate at work.
But, as the article says, all you have to do is ask the person what pronoun they prefer. It's not rocket science.I don't know the person you were quoting, but will speak for myself:
There are people who are native-English speakers, and are not ok with the inability to communicate in normal English because it's no longer considered acceptable and must be replaced by this: https://stayhipp.com/glossary/ze-zir-zem-pronouns/
Damn right!Sounds to me like it was time for you retire, if such an insignificant thing bothered you.
Will you also say "uncle", if requested?Does it matter? I'll call someone Toothbrush if that's what they prefer
Funnily enough I could probably remember Toothbrush. But for example , if I was looking a a female, it was really hard for me to remember to refer as - they or them. If I used their name (let's say Susan) that was fine. But sometimes, I would say, "Oh, she's in the photocopy room " instead of "they are in the photocopy room." Remember this person is identifying as neither male or female.Will you also say "uncle", if requested?
My daughter described it to me this way...My viewpoint:
Everybody deserves respect.
If a person needs help, find help for the person.
However, I also believe all of this has gone way too far in terms of trying to pull nearly the entire population into it, and especially little kids. I mean the toys a child likes to play with, etc., has nothing to do with 'gender.' I think the stereotypical 'gender roles' has a lot to do with this problem. and I personally have always thought stereotypical gender roles to be stupid and pointless.
So tolerant.Yeah, I'm sure that really happened. LOL
You're right, at work, whether we wanted to or not, we had to identify with gender appropriate pronouns. On our badge, in emails, etc. It certainly wasn't my idea.I don't like the idea of changing pronouns in language but I doubt Judith had anything to do about it.
In fact she probably just wanted to be Judith.
About six months ago I read an actual newstory in which there was on the one hand a person who used "they/them", and this person was in a dispute with two others. The reporter, being sympathetic to this person--or maybe constrained by the newspaper's editorial policy, used "they" and "them" when referring to the single person, and when referring to he two others acting in concert as, rightly, "they" and "them".Funnily enough I could probably remember Toothbrush. But for example , if I was looking a a female, it was really hard for me to remember to refer as - they or them. If I used their name (let's say Susan) that was fine. But sometimes, I would say, "Oh, she's in the photocopy room " instead of "they are in the photocopy room." Remember this person is identifying as neither male or female.
Methinks that there's more to your tolerance of mode du jour pronouns than meets the eye.Because in the times the Bible was written, women were treated like crap. The Bible is chock full of misogyny. There's no way the writers would claim god is a woman.
Exactly. And then another person at our college ( a faculty member) correctly called someone as "they" and some of her fellow faculty members and admin thought she made a grammatical mistake. Using "they" plural for a singular person. This was in a meeting that we were all at. I mean seriously, it's getting ridiculous all these pronouns.About six months ago I read an actual newstory in which there was on the one hand a person who used "they/them", and this person was in a dispute with two others. The reporter, being sympathetic to this person--or maybe constrained by the newspaper's editorial policy, used "they" and "them" when referring to the single person, and when referring to he two others acting in concert as, rightly, "they" and "them".
The story had stuff in it like:
Jake Adams, who prefers they/them as pronouns, alleges that they were approached by two homeless individuals in front of a brew pub on Division Street. Adams says that they accosted them (Adams), and they was threatened in an intimidating manner. They were identified by Adams, and they were subsequently found to be carrying knives.Adams stated that they were worried for their life, and thanked the two policemen men who responded, and said they acted appropriately.The two homeless said they merely asked for spare change.For those of you who remember Jack Parr, "I kid you not...". It's a deranged version of "Who's on first?", but it's no joke.
Do you *really* think we need this is our lives and it will make things better? Me, I doubt it.
The tip of the iceberg, I'm afraid. There is "gho"/"ghost" and things like this are limited only be the fertile imagination of young adults who want to be viewed as "special".I don't know the person you were quoting, but will speak for myself:
There are people who are native-English speakers, and are not ok with the inability to communicate in normal English because it's no longer considered acceptable and must be replaced by this: https://stayhipp.com/glossary/ze-zir-zem-pronouns/
But, as the article says, all you have to do is ask the person what pronoun they prefer. It's not rocket science.
Well, if you want my viewpoint on the subject in general, I believe there are many people who are legitimately confused and need help.. but in most cases your daughter's assessment is correct.My daughter described it to me this way...
There's such a thing that young adolescents do that they call "cosplay"--costume play. It's a sort of retreat into childhood. They dress up a certain way and act according the stereotypes associated with the chosen costume.
The old Goth thing was like this, but for older young adults.
She tells me that she views gender fluidity as something like cosplay for the people who do it, whether they admit this to themselves or not.
Honestly, I try to be accommodating, but when you begin to ask, or even sulkily demand, that I become involved in your fantasy to the point that I have to abandon established linguistic rules on your say-so--and this could change on-the-fly, you understand, could be "they/them" and the next time you meet them it's "gho/ghostself" (yes, there is such a thing)--that's farther than I'm willing to go.
Nope. A Bridge Too Far...
Well, 'they' could work.....if 'they' were possessedAnd then another person at our college ( a faculty member) correctly called someone as "they" and some of her fellow faculty members and admin thought she made a grammatical mistake. Using "they" plural for a singular person. This was in a meeting that we were all at. I mean seriously, it's getting ridiculous all these pronouns.
Gotta say, that's a new one to me.The tip of the iceberg, I'm afraid. There is "gho"/"ghost" and things like this are limited only be the fertile imagination of young adults who want to be viewed as "special".
The body of neoprouns (yes, they are called this--and I've having to pinch myself to prove that I'm not dreaming I'm having this conversation) grows like bread mold.
The thing is, I don't see how encouraging them to fluidly switch pronouns on whim will make them any less confused.Well, if you want my viewpoint on the subject in general, I believe there are many people who are legitimately confused and need help.. but in most cases your daughter's assessment is correct.
Agree 100%.The thing is, I don't see how encouraging them to fluidly switch pronouns on whim will make them any less confused.
and as for those who aren't confused, simply letting little children be little children- and "playing pretend" would eliminate a lot of this.The thing is, I don't see how encouraging them to fluidly switch pronouns on whim will make them any less confused.
"The sow is mine..."Well, 'they' could work.....if 'they' were possessed